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    Eurocom and Warranties. BEWARE.!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by dexgo, Mar 25, 2008.

  1. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    Well, as some of you may know I had a little accident with my notebook.

    I dropped it 1' and it had some minor cosmetic damage. you can't even know to look at it.

    it was just 3 cracks at the back that I re-aligned.

    I was told by 3 people that since I cracked the case I lost my warranty on all parts inside and out.

    5 days of ownership and just a little cosmetic DAMAGE!

    no warranty he says.

    this sucks. hardcore.

    you are warned.

    yes it was my fault for dropping it of course... but still 5 days. and it works 100% right now in every way.

    I suppose I shouldn't have told them. that's what everyone I spoke to about this says.
     
  2. clev

    clev Notebook Consultant

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    thats no good, better be extra careful now. man 3 cracks from 1' thats rubbish make up a good sob story and get those warranties back!
     
  3. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I spoke to my sales rep, and he says the Big tech says no go. so his hands are tied.
     
  4. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I should have just got mine from RJTECH. like before i was thinking.

    but Eurocom I thought was a better company with better perks and such.

    pfffft. there goes all perks.

    my laptop has no home now. just as though I got it from EBAY.

    they are soo quick to dismiss then they aren't responsible for it no more.

    easy on them, then they save money.

    that's no fricken way to treat customers.

    especially ones that just got the damned thing less than 5 days ago.

    I mean cummon. theres no personal support. or anything.

    I hate to say this but EUROCOM isn't a good company.

    From my Experience.

    Truth be told.

    I dropped my machine. but clearly there is minor damage just on the back plastic.

    whatev...
     
  5. Nirvana

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    can't you replace the chassis by yourself and pretend nothing happened?
    ps. i dropped my samsung once, same corner area, they replaced the whole lower chassis for $60
     
  6. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I allready ordered all plastics so I could replace in the future.

    It was my fault for dropping the notebook. I am not trying to dispute this.
     
  7. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    Well, I think I will just order my second card from RJTECH because Eurocom wants 845 for it....!@! can you believe it?

    I asked if he could give me a deal... and he joked and said if I find someone to buy his friends d901c with 8 months warranty he might be able to give me a deal.

    screw this.

    EUROCOM is crap.

    They were soo nice in the beginning. but now. I am nobody and they won't give me the time of day!

    I want to get a different badge for my d901c.

    I don't want it to even have the Eurocrap badge.
     
  8. ARGH

    ARGH Notebook Deity

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    well, not to defend eurocom or anything, but none of the d900c resellers would have honored your warranty if you dropped as you did, even rjtech. i don't think anyone has accidental coverage like dell.

    it would have been nice if they gave you dealer cost on the plastics so you can performe the work yourself after they voided the warranty, though.
     
  9. eleron911

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    I still fail to see how the exterior cracks would void the warranty. It`s not like he cracked the inside of the system.
     
  10. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    exactly.
    there is no major damage at all.

    its not even noticeable to look at, even closely.

    you have to take it apart to see.

    and I only had the bloody thing for 5 days!
     
  11. Noctilum

    Noctilum Notebook Evangelist

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    Read the fine print in your warranty to see if it says anything about cracks in the case, or the system falling that would void your warranty. Also, look into any laws as I know in Canada consumers tend to have more rights than us. You may find a way to get around it.
     
  12. ARGH

    ARGH Notebook Deity

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    if a part fails or is failing how would you know it was not caused by the drop? in other words, the drop was severe enough to have cracked the chasis. what else could have it damaged inside? we just don't know. i would guess your hard drives could have easily been damaged and are not showing it yet.
     
  13. Shyster1

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    Dexgo,

    The guys from Eurocom actually confirmed that, because of the accident, your warranty is completely void as to every component of the computer and any sort of damage or defect in those components?

    If so, then, with all due respect, I think they're just blowing smoke up your a**. The Eurocom warranty is, obviously, subject to Canadian law, not US law (with which I am a little more familiar :D ), and, equally obviously, what matters is what the written warranty you received from them says, not necessarily what the website says (although, that in and of itself might constitute a separate warranty if the website statements gave more benefits than were provided in the written warranty); however, on Eurocom's website on the webpage devoted to addressing warranty matters, Eurocom states as follows (and I quote):
    Now, the way I interpret the quoted provisions is as follows: Eurocom will repair damages to the computer that result from defective material or faulty workmanship, but not any damages resulting from accidentally dropping the computer on a hard floor.

    The key language here is the proviso that excludes damages "resulting from" an accident. That is all that the warranty, by its own terms, excludes from coverage under the warranty (in this case, there are other exclusions that are not relevant here). The key here is that, in this instance, if your computer suffers damage (assuming for the sake of argument that "damage" can only result from defects or accidents), that damage is covered under the warranty unless Eurocom can demonstrate that the damage in question was caused by an accident.

    Thus, the warranty is, obviously, void as to the case, since it's clearly been damaged by accident. However, since the computer appears to be operating fine after the accident, there doesn't appear to have been any damage to any of the internal components as a result of the accident. Therefore, if at some later date (but within the 1-year term of the warranty), one of the internal components stops working, it will still be covered under the warranty unless Eurocom can prove that the component stopped working due to undetected damage that was caused by the accident.

    So, for example, suppose that two months from now the CPU up and fries itself, and an examination determines that the cause of the frying was that the clip holding the heatsink in place over the CPU came loose and the heatsink lost contact with the CPU because the clip contained a plastic piece made from substandard plastic with physical characteristics that made it virtually certain that the plastic would eventually melt under the ordinary operating temperature for the CPU. In that case, the damage caused to the CPU is damage "resulting from" defective material, and is not damage "resulting from" the accidental dropping, and should still be covered under the warranty regardless of the accidental drop.

    On the other hand, if an examination were to determine that the CPU fried itself because the clip holding the heatsink onto the CPU was partially dislodged and jarred loose by a large physical shock to the entire computer (i.e., dropping it on the floor), and that because the clip was jarred loose by the drop, the ordinary bumps a computer takes during normal usage were enough to finally pop the clip completely off the heatsink, causing the heatsink to separate from the CPU, then the frying of the CPU would be damage "resulting from" the accident and thus excluded from coverage under the warranty.

    Mind you, Canadian law could come to a different conclusion, so if you really want to know, you could ask a Canadian attorney who specializes in warranty matters; you can't just take my word for it.
     
  14. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I know this. that's why I am spouting this.

    they just want to get rid of me.....

    5 days...

    5 days....

    argh with all due respect. I know it was my fault.

    but I only had it for 5 days.

    and did checks on the hdd's and everything.

    they are fine.

    ah ah ah.

    don't even say it. (i'm shushing you).

    I don't want to argue.

    I just said.

    I have had better service from other companies when I just had a problem my fault or not. not that bad of a problem either.

    5 days...

    Screw Eurocom.
     
  15. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    also. the Plastic is all that is messed up on my notebook.

    I DON"T WANT A WARRANTY ON THAT.

    that's fine. DELL usually doesn't even warranty the chassis.

    but the parts inside are a different story!
     
  16. Lithus

    Lithus NBR Janitor

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    Alright, just to get this straight: No company will cover physical damage without a special "accidental" warranty. You've probably never worked tech repair, but the first thing you look for are cracks and malformations in the chassis. If they exist, it automatically voids the warranty for the machine. They don't play games with this, it isn't "oh, did the drop cause the damage?" it's "it's physically damaged, and I'm sorry Sir, but the warranty does not cover accidental damage."
     
  17. DFTrance

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    Three years ago I had a similar problem with a Toshiba laptop. Fell on the ground and I've broken the case. I sent it back for repair, they fixed it.

    Got a three year warranty over the components that were replaced plus labor, bottom case and motherboard. I also kept the current warranty over all other artifacts (that includes the LCD). I payed fully for the service.

    I haven't done it myself like you did, so that might be the difference.

    It was up to them say to me what was defective and what was not. I did not argue with that. They could have said that everything is deffective but they did not.

    Trance
    PS: It does not matter if it 5 days or an year. Finantially it could be actually cheaper to repair if it happened later then sooner.
     
  18. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I just read their warranty, and they say nothing about drops and void warranty completely!

    they do say stuff about accidents. then they say the parts they individually warranty. each part by iteself including chassis. which is the only part I have a problem with ... the bottom chassis.

    so...

    again..

    whatever.

    They could have been more curtious with me for god sakes... that's all.

    I just got the thing and paid 4k for it 5 days before...

    but now I am wrote off.

    so thats where I stand.

    fine,

    but I got an email first from JOHN SHORE stating that since I ordered plastics I would still have a warranty until If I changed them myself.

    I then told him that I would just wait until the end of warranty period before changing them.

    and I realize that ITS MY FAULT!

    but if they were an AWESOME COMPANY, they could have cut me a deal or gave me something back... you know... customer SERVICE..

    5 days ago.. For God SAKES!

    Get ME?
     
  19. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    not true,

    I work in an industry where we do give deals to people when they just paid like 4k on something and accidently broke part of it.

    maybe we wouldn't fix it completely. but we wouldn't write them off like that...

    maybe if it was months later..
    but less than a week. and superficial cosmetic damage?

    they could have said "send the unit in for us too check over."

    they don't know the extent of damgage...

    when I dropped it it could have just scratched it.

    if I told them I dropped it and it has a scratch only on the bottom.

    guess what.

    they would have took away my warranty.

    screw them again!

    I should have LIED>!!!
     
  20. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    Well, I'm done venting.

    I dropped it. I lost the warranty.

    move on time.

    I got the plastics for 500 bux shipped today.

    I will rebuild it and move on.
     
  21. Shyster1

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    Which warranty? On the plastic cover, or the whole lot?
     
  22. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I bought new plastics.

    Even though I only had cracks in the back bottom.

    good thing tho with no warranty, I need the stuff to fix. it.
     
  23. ARGH

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    was the computer on when dropped?
     
  24. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    no, not on.

    the video card and processor werent in it either, or hard drives.

    I was putting AS5 on it.

    and inspecting/cleaning.
     
  25. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I spoke to john via email.

    I am not going to complain about this warranty issue any further.

    He told me that I can send in the unit, they will replace the plastics and test the unit.

    if it passes 100% they will re-instate the warranty.

    he said that it's not because of this thread.. that this offer is on the table...

    funny because I asked 3 people a many times about this warranty issue and they all told me NO WARRANTY. and then I posted this thread and things change.

    now they say I can send it in.

    well there is no problem with my notebook. the pictures I posted prove that cosmetically alteast.

    I don't want to send it in. all I wanted was future for 1 year warranty on the parts.

    so there it is.

    I spoke to john and told him this.
     
  26. saintalfonzo

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    man they really make a mint off the chassis! $500!?
     
  27. Fade To Black

    Fade To Black The Bad Ass

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    dexgo, from my point of view you are both wrong and right. They have every right to cancel your warranty, but at the same time they should consider the fact that you acknowledged that you accidentally dropped it (1" is way too less to be considered real damage). I will take their offer if I was you.
     
  28. DFTrance

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    Man I agree with Fade To Black on thiis. I would take it. It does not matter if it is becouse of this thread or not.

    It is good they reviewed you case. After all is what you have been asking for isn't it? You can't just say they are bad becouse they don't follow strictly your terms.

    They have right to inspect the system in order to reinstate the warranty. That is standard policy really. Put it another way, you would have the peace of mind knowing everything is on it is supposed to be :). My main concern would be really the motherboard, and if it is bent is some way not easily seen.

    Trance
     
  29. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    the whole point if this thread and why i created it was not to get a warrranty.

    it was because I had none, and aksed 3 people at eurocom repeatedly and got the same answer. NO!

    I then Purchased 500 bux worth of parts to fix it myself.

    and fix it myself i will.

    My fault I dropped it.

    my responsibility to fix it.

    end of story.
     
  30. theriko

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    @Fade to Black: He said 1'(foot) not 1"(inch), just to clarify
     
  31. ARGH

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    it looks like you are going to get your warranty back. they made some money off the plastics anyway and i bet you will pay both ways to ship it for them to inspect.

    what kind of warrany you got, extended or std 1 year?
     
  32. Nirvana

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    does the chassis really worth $500? probably took them $5 to make it
     
  33. Verbatum

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    Or maybe it was all those mods and overclocking you bragged about over the last week. You choose which thing voided your warrantee.

    You actually think your wining on this board made Eurocom change its polocy. Sounds like maybe they felt bad for you and decided to cover you.

    You sound like the dream customer!
     
  34. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    I am not taking their warranty

    yes the full plastics costed me 500 bux.

    the overclocking did nothing my temps are soo low because of the cooling of this beast.

    and I have been overclocking video cards for years via bios, i know what I'm doing bud.

    I was honest, I dropped my machine, I told them so.

    If I burn my card via overclocking it's my fault.
     
  35. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    john shore, I know it's you buddy.

    I can tell because the way you spell warrantee. (warranty)

    LoL.

    I noticed this through emails. your the only one who ever spelt it like that I have ever read.

    I didn't care either way if they gave me a warranty. ;)

    It was how they handled it from the beginning that urked me.

    i've nothing against you. just Youracom :D
     
  36. M3z3iAs

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    dexgo, I dont know how it works in canada, but here in denmark, we are able to insure our homeelectronics from accidents, like this one where it was dropped. Atleast my home insurences cover all my electronics at home, from dropping/spilt liquids/lightning damage/electric failure and such. If you got such one, try talking to your insurence company and see if they wount cover the dropping. I got a buddy, who by accident dropped his laptop, 2 years old, actually he got an all new machine for roughly the same price as the dropped had from new :)
     
  37. John@Eurocom

    John@Eurocom Company Representative

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    OK Inspector Clouseau...

    If I have something to say I will say it myself.

    Have a nice day!
     
  38. miprs4

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    Just a question...

    Over here in the UK, you might well be able to claim on your household contents insurance for such a problem.

    Given the value of the laptop you would probably need to add it as a special item (I will on mine)

    Worth a conversation with your insurer

    cheers
     
  39. eleron911

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    Is MrEurocom cloning accounts again ? :D
     
  40. John@Eurocom

    John@Eurocom Company Representative

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    LOL.. thank GOD we will never see Mr. Eurocom again!...lol :D
     
  41. DFTrance

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    That was funny. All this thread started by an unfortunate accident and ends funny.

    Trance