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    Eurocom offers GTX 460M/470M in X7200!

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by AndrewKW, Sep 5, 2010.

  1. AndrewKW

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    Please contact technical support.

    LoL. If you try to make do advertise at least put the proper link.
     
  3. Daniel Hahn

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    A single GTX 470M is $132 more than a MR HD 5870 says Eurocom. Now we need to see how much better the card actually performs. But yeah, pricing is nice, GTX 470M SLI in the X7200 is nearly the price of a single GTX 480M.
     
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  5. AndrewKW

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    Yes we have to wait for first benchmarks, but no doubt GTX 470M will be more reliable compared to HD 5870 in driver issues and SLI/CF performance + PhysX etc.

    I would say it will perform exact between HD5870 and GTX 480M.
     
  6. Kevin

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    Yooo, if the GTX 470M truly is $400 cheaper than the 480M, I won't be waiting for Intel's Sandy Bridge.
     
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    Who's gonna be the first to taste the SLI? ;)
     
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    I would rather say "Who is going to bench GTX 470M first" :)
     
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    how much is a single 470M ?

    and is this card comparable to the 480M ?

    how does the 470M fare against say a 280M ?

    :eek:

    will this card works as a single card option for a d900f ?
     
  11. Kevin

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    I don't know the exact price, but they list it as +$132 (USD) over the 5870.

    Should be within 5% of the 480M.
     
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    It looks like the 470M is what should have been released instead of the 480M but things are never as simple as that or always go to plan.

    Not only that but since the 470M has been released for use in laptops like the M15X, I expect it to work fine in the W860CU / W870CU. The 3.0B MXM format and the TDP levels all suggest it should work. I just don't know about the Bios.

    Having said that, any laptop that uses the 480M has good upgrade potential given the wattage, TDP and heatsink design.
     
  13. Kevin

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    Oh really. I need to check the AW forum more often.

    And yes, GF104 is what Nvidia was trying to do, from the beginning.
     
  14. physib

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    But Eurocom's price is maybe one hundred or two hundred dollars higher than other resellers like xoticpc right?
     
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    Now that Europeans resellers like Eurocom and Kobalt are selling(or preselling) the X7200 how long should it be till American resellers like xoticpc get it. I know there is no way to predict this but I figured there was some standard rule that new clevo products are sold from Europe before they sell from America.
     
  16. Daniel Hahn

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    Eurocom already offers the GTx 470M as an option in their W860CU, so it will definitely work. Probably a bios update is needed though, but otherwise it will work. I'm planing on getting this card to finally replace my GTX 260M.
     
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    when exactly gtx 470m comes out???
     
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    The important thing for nvidia is that people buy both. I like 480m because it has 352 CUDA cores, while the 470m 288 and 460m 192. Nvidia is trying to get a good grip in the computing area.
     
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    Both cards are also offered for X8100, according to the configurator single 5870M costs 390USD, 470m-540USD. So 40% price increase for 0 to 10% performance increase. I guess drivers/BIOS would make the real difference.
     
  20. Daniel Hahn

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    I think we're all confused that they show the prices in Canadian Dollars. Those should be the prices in USD:
    Still, your right. About 40% price increase for 0-10% more performance. Still, its worth it for me.
     
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    Its not 40% increase at all. You do not buy GPU/s itself but entire laptop. Now compare entire laptop price with HD5870s and GTX 470s and you will get about 10% price increase which worth big time. You are not only buying bigger performance. What worth more money is Nvidia driver reliability, PhysX and better support, for me obviously....
     
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    It is a 38% increase, as I was referring to the prices on the Eurocom Upgrade Price List. They state the price for buying a GPU seperately. If you buy a new laptop the price increase seems less, that is correct. But that does not change the fact that the GTX 470M is 38% more expensive than the MR HD 5870. I plan on upgrading my laptop so I have to buy the card seperately.
     
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    What I meant was GPU to GPU price increase- many people would want just to upgrade, not buy a whole new system. I agree that nvidia has better driver support, but that would matter only if you have a good BIOS. And about PhysX:
    "On 5 July 2010, Real World Technologies published an analysis of the PhysX architecture. It has been verified that most of the code used in PhysX applications is based on the surpassed x87 instructions, without any multi-threading optimization. This would lead to the well-known performance loss that CPUs have when elaborating PhysX code. The article also suggests that such a difference between CPUs and nVidia GPUs would substantially drop or disappear if PhysX code would be written with SSE instructions, introduced in 1999 and supported by almost every modern computer."
    Read further PhysX - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia to see how many games support it. There are only 8 I ever heard of and want to play/played.

    Edit: part of my post doubles what Daniel Hahn said
     
  24. AndrewKW

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    Yes, in your case its 38% but for 99% potential buyers of entire laptop its about 10% as I stated and seems much better buy. Peace bro :)
     
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    I'm anxious to see some benchmarks going.
     
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    The Upgrade List I'm looking at has the Mob. 5870 at $342, the 470M at $474, in USD.

    342 / 474 = .72 = 28%

    Am I wrong?
     
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    I can't wait for mobile GF104! I know the GTX480M is GF100, but where does GF104(or even newer architectures) start, the GTX470M or GTX460M. I think it's the GTX470M, but I'm not positive.

    I like Eurocoms's option for a 32nm i7-930. :rolleyes:
     
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    470m = GF104

    460m = GF106

    445m = GF108
     
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    Thanks! -------------------------------------------
     
  30. Daniel Hahn

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    Your correct, I simply cannot calculate :D (did it the other way around but the smaller number has to be divided by the bigger number). 28% also sounds more reasonable. BTW, mxm-upgrade will pobably not carry this card anytime soon (next 2 month). I still have to aks mySN what their upgrade price may be. I'm pretty sure it will be a 1:1 conversion, so GTX 470M will probably be around €470... damn taxes (MR HD 5870 is like 400 € if you buy it with heatsink here).
     
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    I didn't knew that 460m and 470m were different chips. But i guess i should have figured that out when i looked at the cuda cores difference (former pipelines)

    To me, 470 seems the better choice as it has more cores, and lower clocks. Thus when overcloked you gain much more because you have more cores.
     
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    If you are having sticker shock it's good to remember that opening prices are always a bit on the steep side. Might want to let the new GPU's "cool" a bit on the market and let the first adopters pricing levels come down to normal.
     
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    ^^ and wait 4 months till AMD demolishes the 400M series with performance and lower prices ;)
     
  36. Daniel Hahn

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    Exactly, in this case it makes no sense. Also keep in mind that afaik the GTX 480M still has the exact same price it had when it came out.
     
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    when the gtx 470m comes out?
     
  38. Daniel Hahn

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    Should already be on the way to the resellers. Probably they will start shipping them in 2 weeks.
     
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    thats good.now to see some benchmarks and then decide gtx 470m or 5870m.xD
     
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    Is it just me or SLI version of GTX 460M/470M is gone??? Even X8100 does not have the option...wth?
     
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    Uh oh, the backpedal begins.

    Cancel the parade.
     
  42. Aikimox

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    lol, and I was about to join Green Peace :)
     
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    to much for that , at least i know the alienware machines will get GTX 470m at some point next year speculations sure :rolleyes:
     
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    Well, it's still here Clevo x8100. I think it was all just for show- I doubt SLI would work without a new BIOS and we all know how long this could take.