Eurocom preorder or D900F ?

Hi guys,

Eurocom listed on their website preorder of D900F here:
http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,202,0)

I am kinda curious about GDDR3 memory of GTX 280M.
There used to be GDDR5 in specifications, also some other websites were talking about GDDR5 (notebookcheck in GTX 280M review I guess)

The starting price is 3499CAD which is litle more than I expected compared to other highend laptops (W90) but its not direct competitor though. (coupled 4870 are more powerfull and its better choice for the gamer ?)

I would like to ask you if you know anything about GDDR5? Is it coming later?

Thx

 

link not working?

Try this:

http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,202,0)

 

Had a look at the price... and lets just say the being the only i7 laptop around, it does give the maker chance to charge alot. The same power on desktop system would probably cost a fraction of the price.

 

I think if you were to look for this setup in the US of A, it would come at a much cheaper price ...

A Falling Cat named Spangky

 

For $500CAD over current gen rig, your paying for a better overall system though.

It does have much upgraded base system:

WUXGA vs WSXGA
280m GTX vs 9800m GT
Intel i7 920 vs Q9300 w/6mb L2
6 GB DDR3 vs 4 GB of DDR2
250GB vs 160GB
Turbo memory option vs non
Fingerprint reader vs non

 

yea...over $3000 base price, I'm not getting it.

 

Wow D900F is cheaper than D901C when was released with 8800M GTX
i just made very good config for $4200 USD

 

dont expect those prices to be final... Clevo has yet to finalize pricings for the upcoming models to their importer OEMs.

Eurocom might be jumping the gun.

 

yes you are right they placed for preorder but there still no review of the machine

 

Not "might", but definitely "is". I was a victim of that.
And no way they can beat XoticPC and Powernotebook on pricing and shipping.

 

I would disagree on the bold part.

Prices at Eurocom depend strongly on currency exchange rates too.

That said, Eurocom's prices do fluctuate, and are also more negotiable than prices at XoticPC or Powernotebooks. Discounts at XoticPC and Powernotebooks are very much fixed.

I've posted several posts in the past demonstrating cases where Eurocom's prices did beat XoticPC or Powernotebook, however, this was largely due to currency exchange rates.

 

I see they still ask $153 for a decent wifi and bluetooth...

 

Since the main selling point of this laptop , is the use of new desktop parts; which are normally cheaper; though the premium for this portable i7 workstation seems so high here, load up the config page with reasonable hardware, the price still flies through the roof.

For about $1000, you can get a i7 desktop that's similar, if not faster. I really hope that first waves of mobility i7 won't be that weak in comparison, that they'd give power users no true alternatives than to retracting to desktop chips in a portable platform.

But cos even desktop i7 is relatively new, thus expensive and lack improvement (eg:lower TDP with future stepping), I'm sure while some innovations will be made when the first mobile i7s comes out, along with refresh of i7 by the end of the year probably, I just don't see mobile i7 being much better than current Core 2CPU, in terms of cost at given performance.

We are at the post Conroe period. And now ar looking at refined Core 2 vs new Core i7. Putting things blatantly into perspective, an i7 into portable laptop is asking to be ripped-off financially, for deminished returns yet even higher TDP, it also asking to be screwed over by intel with better refreshes.

Though back to reality, either after a long time, or if AMD gets their act together quckly, the market price will self correct hopefully, but I don't see either happening.

Another tiny thing, while nehalem does excell in some tasks over C2Q (encoding), when playing games (which will be what most owners do mainly), its small L3 does't really help - gaming performance may actually worsen.

http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=79635

Initially the gap between desktop and mobile C2D was not so evidental, but now, with 45nm technology and a few refreshes, the gap couldn't be bigger, desktops can afford greater power usage, allowing them to up the clock, and thus have 3.2Ghz+ quad CPU, while the mobility counterpart only have 2.5Ghz.

The very reason that makes intel successful recently is the introduction of an uber efficient architecture back in 2007, but then lack of competition now allows them to command huge premium on the Core i7 chips/platforms. Where is AMD? the last I've seen them in high end laptop config page was with mobile Turion+NV 7950 go, far too long ago. It amazes me how much cheaper an AMD desktop platform is than a comparible i7 ones, even better if Clevo can stuff those into a chassis like 900F.

All I'm saying is after seeing this price, it better for me to get a current rig with Q9550S than a i7 one, and it also pretty much confirms - M980NU isn't likely to be cheap.

 

yea with no i7 competition from AMD, intel can continue to have it at such high prices, o well I guess I won't be buying this $3000-$4000 laptop. The only improvement I saw in this laptop was the cpu.

 

Don't be sure about that. Eurocom's prices are known to be negotiable...

 

there seems to be something wrong with eurocom's calculating...lol
2999.99 cad doesn't come back as 2631.00 usd
should be
2999.99 cad does come back as 2358.20 usd
negotiable alright...lol

and the hard drive section is jacked up. i wish i would pay 303 usd for a 320 gig 7200 rpm drive!

 

Well. $7000+ for a max config without SSDs. Thats reasonable.

 

if your 100 percent rich, it's reasonable, but if your 99.9 percent rich..it's ridiculous..lol
and that's not an i7 either, it's some place holder part set up configuration setup. max is something like 4k to 4500k usd or 5,088.6 cad to 5,724.68 cad for top of the line and no ssd's

 

Eurocom's currency rates are not up-to-date, which can help customers pay less.

 

maybe for Singapore, but not for us in the usa. we loosing..lol

 

Not really. I was going to go with Eurocom once, because they were a fair bit cheaper than anyone else thanks to currency fluctuations.

Remember John, currencies go up and down all the time.

If you're in the States, especially when the US dollar is strong, it may be a good idea to pay in Canadian, rather than to pay in USD.

 

They had 1GBP to 2 USD for quite a bit, even after the actual value of 1GBP depreciated below 1.5 USD relatively...good times...

 

true and you get's no argument out of me there...but as of today...if i would have bought one...i would be seriously loosing!..

 

wow thats a very expensive setup ...

i was wondering how much we can bargain the setup till ...

 

*Recovers from the cost of the D900F*

*Ponders the cost of the M98*

*Glances over shoulder at W90vp*

 

There's a student program and you may get other discounts as well.

 

Okay guys, all I see here is just talkin about prices. I created this thread because I wanted to discuss GDDR3
in GTX 280M instead of GDDR5 !!!

Does anyone know why did they put GDDR3 into it? They used to talk abou GDDR5 memory, I remember the specs sheet on the website etc...

Please, will nvidia or whoever release GDDR5 memory in GTX 280M later?

Thanks!!!

PS: Everyone knows that Eurocom seems to be more expensive but you can negotiate prices, you can get discount as you are student etc...

 

probably because no one has a clue as to why. you know if some one had the slightest idea, they would have posted right after the fact...lol

 

hi all & btw thank you for the great info on this wonderful forum!

Does anyone know when Eurocom is going to ship the D900F?

Thank you in advance!

Ralph

 

All of the desktop Nvidia GTX2xx series use GDDR3 memory. It would be rather unique for a mobile solution to use more expensive technology than the "same" series desktop gear. Expecially as the mobile 200's series are a generation or so behind their desktop brethren in GPU silicon.

I think you may well be confusing ATI HD4870X2 where the desktop uses GDDR5 memory, and people expected the mobile version Asus W90 to as well ( but were saddened to see the GDDR3 in the shipping product).

 

personally I think it was a typo.

 

You hit the nail right on the head. Its too bad ASUS screwed those first W90 buyers with all those bugs. Not to mention no GDDR5 still? What is AMD waiting on?

Although if you think about it, the cost of the D90 i7 is around the cost of the highest end Extreme i7 DESKTOPS out there.

 

You should have a option for a GTX 280 in SLI.That matched with a i7 CPU would be incredible.

 

Well, depending on the cost of the M98, if it is $3k+ and only hits a few more points than the W90Vp.......

It really comes down to the cost of the M98, especially if the W90vp actually matches its MSRP of $1999.99 someday.

Just really curious as to the pricing and performance of the 280M's in SLI.

 

well, i can tell you this...with a 280m i can hit about 15k in this machine if the gpu has over clocking head room.

 

Clevo really needs to price the M98 within the price range of the W90 to compete well.

 

that might be hard if Nvidia cards are still expensive.

 

Video & Graphics Card

Nvidia GeForce GTX 280M Graphics with 1GB DDR3 Video Memory
Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory [+$165.00]

that was taken from sagers website on a 5797

looking cheaper to me..

 

Quadro always were more expensive than GeForce mobility chips... We all know NV's making GT2x0m cheaper, but probably not nearly ATI cheap, just have to wait&see...

 

true...except that people say it's basically a quadro fx 3700m...

 

You've the point there.

Though while its the same hardware pretty much, but if NV release it as a FX3700+, I bet it'll probably be something like:

Nvidia GeForce GTX 280M Graphics with 1GB DDR3 Video Memory
Nvidia Quadro FX 2700M Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory [+$165.00]
Nvidia Quadro FX 3700M Graphics with 512MB DDR3 Video Memory [ +$500.00]

NV does spend huge time&resource testing professional driver though...


But I, like most, really wish NV's gonna to just be done with the renaming thing already, if they release another renamed, say 285m, I'm just gonna laugh my head off...

This card, no matter what it is just the same aas first desktop 8800m GTX from nearly 2.5 years ago...

 

Quadro's.... especially high-end ones.... are made for pro's for OpenGL and great support... which is why there has always been a premium price.

sure its more bang for the buck to get a Geforce alternative, but professionals that do not game and mainly do 3D modeling/editing/rendering through OpenGL apps, Quadro's and FireGL's are the way to go.

 

funny thing about that is...it's still at the top of the list 2.5 years later..

so true!!

 

I'm wondering if FX 3700's bios will work on 280M, but since the latter has higher default clock, I'm not sure if its gonna to work...

 

till someone with a little bit of knowledge gets their hands on one of these...we will be in the dark....hopefully soon though.

 

I know there were a few attempts to flash a 9800M GTX with a Quadro 3700M VBIOS.... the result was not positive... bricked the 9800M GTX.

As for a GTX 280M being flash with a Quadro 3700M... wont know until its available to test with.... but I would not hold my breath. You must have some money (and guts) to risk bricking your GTX 280M if it does not work.

 

vga cards are easier to recover than a bricked laptop. all you have to do is flash one card. one of the many benefits of having sli... . to bad the d900f doesn't seem to have this...


and you dont need to flash the 3700 bios on a gtx either. the card does fine on it's own...just need to change the clocks and up the voltage to 1.05 and your good to go.