Flashing XMG bios on same model Clevo?

I ordered a "Clevo NH55AFW" which probably won't have an unlocked Bios, but the "XMG Apex 15" will.
Is it possible to just flash the "XMG Apex 15" Bios on a regular "Clevo NH55AFW" if someone were to upload it?

 

Most likely you will be able to grab it from here:

https://download.schenker-tech.de/

But dunno if you can flash it or not. Wait for someone to confirm

 

Thanks for the reply!
I am kinda hoping that the "Clevo NH55AFW" has some kind of BIOS flashing Safety features. Maybe a second BIOS or Bios reflashing etc.

 

If you brick the machine, you'll need a programmer to hopefully get it back to life.

 

Yeah, very likely.
Would be lovely if the board had a second bios chip tho.
Bios-flashback is extremely useful.

 

I have flashed my p775tm1 with XMG ultra 17 bios - no issues. You just need to ensure it's same model

 

Thats really good to know!

That means flashing XMG on a regular Clevo has worked in the past, so there is at least a half-decent chance it will work on this one as well.

 

Yes they are the same physically if you get the same model. You may void your warranty though if you have one.

 

Do i understand it correctly that you work at Sager?

 

I work remotely for them so not in the offices directly.

 

Well, its confirmed then.
It will work. Brilliant!

 

It does need to be identical of course, down to it being g-sync or not.

 

From what i understand, sadly, neither model has g-sync. News about the XMG Apex 15 keep referring to the original model name "Clevo NH55AFW" (thats how i found it cheaper somewhere else) and all specs match.
Sure, they could have changed some minute detail that i may be unaware of, but i couldnt think of a way of how to confirm it without trying it.

 

For the AMD launch as far as I am aware there is only one model.

 

Well, that reduces the risk somewhat!

 

Awesome. I hope this does help in some way because the stock FW is pretty weird on some Clevo machines. @Meaker@Sager would you recommend going down this path save for the warranty trouble?

 

Link: https://download.schenker-tech.de/package/xmg-apex-15-xap15e20/


Thats the support-page for the XMG Apex 15. Which is the same as the "NH55AFW" and "NH57AF1" (This is just the version with the metal-housing parts. Laptopparts4less says the boards are identical).
Bios files for the XMG Apex 15 will be downloadable once that notebook is actually released.

I dont know if just flashing that bios works, but apparently that has worked in the past, so who knows.
Would be great if it did tho. Would save BIOS-modders a lot of work.

 

Well, I for one, am waiting to try this bios if i know I wont brick my P751TM1-G completely. A mainboard would be troublesome to source considering the current microorganism invading us -_-

 

From what I have seen the biggest gains will be from undervolting so if that is working that's the main thing.

 

That does work. But i was wondering if I could do other things to keep it under check. It's not so much so the CPU itself but the GPU which is being a headache. The rtx2070 I have doesn't go over 1800MHz boost on long loads. I get a power limit throttle at 115-117W. I dont want it to go higher but I am trying to get my whole setup properly undervolted and optimised. My cpu is at -120mV and GPU has its curve good to a degree. I would like around 120W to 125W if the gpu board can handle it.

 

BGA solutions don't tend to have much headroom, I'd concentrate on the voltage curve and optimise it.

 

Yo, i kinda have the same question, but with other clevo model N870HP6.
I found some newer version BIOS/EC fw here: https://my.hidrive.com/share/yze8mg-wf8#$/BIOS and EC Firmware/CLEVO/N_Series/N8xxx/N8xxHPx/N87xHPx
The link for that cloud is provided on "CLEVO computer" website (as i understood, one of the german resellers) in drivers section.

Btw, my N870HP6 is actually from Sager (Sager NP7870). @Meaker@Sager, do you know if there's any Sager-specific things in flashing non-stock BIOS? Like in this thread it says that if i'm gonna flash Sager BIOS over Clevo one i'll potentially brick my laptop. Or that goes only for P series?

 

Hey @YardSnake! Just found out with search that you previously had the N870HP6! Maybe you can share some expirience with another than stock BIOS/EC on the machine?

 

Oh boy, that was quite some time ago and i never ended up spending much time with it.
Ended up selling it soon after.

Sorry mate. Wish i coulda helped out!

 

you can. i got my clevo n950tp6 updated via xmg apex 15 (older model) BIOS/EC and i got no proplems at all. You will see Boot icon changed to XMG.

 

Hi folks !

I have a PC specialist Nova 15! ( same like XMG APEX apart the Nova has the cheaper plastic chassis )

My model is the NH50AF1

The XMG apex is : NH57AF1

You can find this out going on the clevo website and look after drivers, they are using this type of structre in the choose menu. "NH5xAxx" ( as far as I know any Clevo model falls into this group equipped with the sama mobo bios, except the Vbios but that is not in the mobo bios )

Those three that are highlighted on the picture are identical to each other from Drivers point of view so that means the BIOS is the same as well ( identical ) !

So my NH50AF1 falls into the Model code like this : NH5(0)AF(1)

XMG like this : NH5(7)AF(1)





My custom Clevo Nova tune is below for help if you strugle :

Ryzen 3700x. Running on 3.8ghz all core oc on 0.984 voltage, Program is used : Zenstates ( auto start with win boot )

My Rtx 2070 has custom curve ( Automatic MSI overclocking result ) topping out around 1800mhz under full load and power limiting as well, gddr6 memory runs on 6350mhz (+850 to stock)

Gpu fan set to 85% at 70 degrees
CPU fan set to 65% at 60 degrees

GPU temp tops out around 75 degrees
CPU temp tops out little bit under 70 degrees.

I think this is the max performance I could get out from the pc without letting the fans ramping up to 100%.

This fan speed setup is the maximum acceptable noise for me durign gaming or any heavy workload. ( But I might sacrafice a little gpu and cpu performance to lower fans speeds a bit )

CPU/GPU have been repasted with Thermal Grizzly Kryonaut, and the thermalpads have been replaced with Gelid Extreme Thermal pads 12.5W/mK 1mm and 2mm pads at some places I upgraded the 2mm OEM pads to 3mm due lack of contact between heatsink and the components .

I recommend to replace all thermal pads due they are only covering the 40% of the memory modul surface ( even in the XMG apex 15 as well because they did not bother to replace the OEM thermal pads on the heatsink .... )

If XMG threatens you about voiding the warranty you should tell them they sold you a machine that has a defect and that would result early wear and tear within the GDDR6 modules due the partial heat transfer ( only40% of the surface is covered this results in uneven heat transfer ) so they need to do it by themselves and taking pictures as evidence they have covered the full GDDR6 memory modules with thermal pads ( copper heatsing is covering the whole gddr6 physical area.)

Or you can tell them you will file a consumer court case against them because this is a known defect that reduces the lifetime of the product ( I had a similar argument with HP and they did not like the consumer court case especially I had solid evidence about they sold Omen laptops with defect / or on purpose with a kind of a design that will reduce the lifetime of the laptop )

 

@YardSnake were you successful flashing XMG Apex 15?

I've read so many different model numbers that I don't even know anymore.

I've got an NH55AFW (Ryzen 3700x and RTX 2070) and I looked on the website you linked earlier for the XMG apex 15 but I find two downloads and I'm not quite sure which to choose from. I'm also afraid to just kill my mobo as I don't have a way to flash it if I do.

Trying to find someone that has done it before...

Right now i'm not that happy with my laptop because it either has some good performance but very low fan noise, or high performance with the fans going like crazy.
I was trying to tune it to have a middle ground, some fan noise, but slightly increased performance but I don't seem to be able to...

I've also wondered if I'm better off without the Control Center 3.0 app from Clevo that came pre installed.
I thought about unninstalling and just using ryzen master and msi afterburner to overclock/undervolt/etc everything...


@Gabor Meggyes You have the same specs as me 3700x and rtx2070, so I'm guessing this is also compatible with the NH55AFW.
But I'm wondering what kind of laptop is the PC specialist Nova 15?
Also, would you have any links or pointers on where to get those thermal pads? I do have grizzly thermal and stuff but that would be nice even if only to improve the temps, not necessarily to OC.