G-Sync: What do You want?

Clevo's re-seller would like to know what g-sync system YOU would like to purchase from them!

Discuss in this thread and >>>VOTE HERE<<<

Make sure to scroll down and check out all questions that apply to you!

 

All I have to say is that some of you have way too much money to spend on a laptop haha..
Anyone want to crowd fund a few upgrades on the one I just ordered (Under $2000)

 

Voted..

 

Voted. Surprising how far down the 17.3" FHD IPS Matte is.

 

Voted. Thank you, Prema, and thank you resellers for listening to us! Hopefully everyone else wants what I want out of it

 

I think this is just one reseller that has asked Prema to conduct a survey. Will be interesting to see if it differs from our data!

 

voted! surprising to see the popularity of the 17 inch screens....i bet that 100% adobe RGB has smth to do with it

id be kinda torn between ULTIMATE POWAH desktop 980 and 15 inch machine... ah well, glad i dont have to worry about such "trivial things" anymore, super happy with my dark knight

 

It's for everyone to get a better picture of what the customer want...

Do you want anything to be added?

Yeah Clevo better gets that g-sync license for the 4K AUO...

There is a "Phoenix" in every "Dark Night":

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This...I'd definitely prefer a 1080p IPS g-sync for a single 980m or a 4K IPS g-sync if its a 980m sli rig....really trying not to break down and order a Eurocom X8 (with 10% student discount), the 870 wait is literally eating my soul.

 

Fair enough, if they pass the info back to Clevo it will be helpful but Clevo do already have a lot of feedback on this topic - well they should cause I know we've given it to them!

 

Voted. Good to see the AUO screen on top

 

Voted. That AUO screen makes me drool. Pure notebook pr0n.

 

Voted. And for the AUO. Though, I'm good with my 17.3" FHD IPS Matte G-Sync. More choices can't hurt in the 17.3" size class.

 

Me too... I didn't know other people hate the high responses of IPS panels versus the 4K AUO probably being TN and thus low response time...

 

AHVA: http://www.auo.com/?sn=1282&lang=en-US

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General Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Part Number B173ZAN01.0
Manufacturer AUO
Panel Size 17.3 inches
Panel Resolution 3840(RGB)×2160 (UHD)
Panel Type a-Si TFT-LCD , Panel
Operating Temperature 0 ~ 50 °C
Storage Temperature -20 ~ 60 °C
RoHS RoHS Compliance
Specific Feature Adobe RGB
Antiglare Sureface
Wide Viewing Angle
Landscape type
White LED Backlight
With LED Driver
Wide Aspect Ratio
Michanical Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Panel Dimension 398.1×230.45 mm (H×V)
Weight in gram 550g (Max.)
Active Area 382.12×214.94 mm (H×V)
Aspect Ratio 16:9 (H:V)
Pixel Pitch 0.0995×0.0995 mm (H×V)
Touch Screen Without
Holes and Brackets Face mounting holes (8 pcs) on up, down slugs
Pixel Configuration RGB Vertical Stripe
Panel Dimension_Depth 4.0 (Max.) mm
Surface Treatment Antiglare, Hard coating (3H)
Glare = Glossy Antiglare = Matte
Optical Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Luminance in String 400 cd/m² (Typ.)
Luminance Type AHVA, Normally Black, Transmissive
Contrast Ratio 1000 : 1 (Typ.) (Transmissive)
Colors 16.7M (8-bit)
Chromaticity at White Wx:0.313; Wy:0.329
Color Gamut 100% Adobe RGB
Viewing Angle 89/89/89/89 (Typ.)(CR=10) (L/R/U/D)
Preferrential Viewing Direction Symmetry
Response Time 27 (Typ.)(Tr+Td)
White Variation 1.25/1.60 (Max.)(5/13 points)
Luminance Variation = Maximum / Minimum
Optical Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Display Reverse Scan No
Vertical Frequency 60Hz
Backlight(Lamp) Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Backlight Type WLED
Backlight Inverter Driver Embedded (LED Driver)
Backlight Life 15K(Typ.) (Hours)
Lamp Position Edge light type
Front view positon
Signal Information of AUO B173ZAN01.0
Interface Type Included in panel signal interface
Supply Voltage 3.3V (Typ.)
Input Current for Panel 833mA (Max.)
Panel Power Consumption 2.5W (Max.)
Signal Category Type eDP
Signal Class eDP (4 Lanes)

 

Also voted. 17 inch 4K with G-sync.... drooling.

 

Yes AVHA gives you most of the benefits of IPS without the longer response times.

 

I'm surprised at the 17 inch AUO being the first pick, as it seems like people are more interested in 15 inch models more often. But not to complain, that is the screen I want to see the most.

 

I suspect the results may be a little skewed by current model availability. There's literally no "budget" or lower priced laptops featuring G-Sync panels and definitely not in the lighter categories (P650 series for example, at least for another few weeks).

So I think many of the votes will be those who were already committed to big 17" models.

The thinner/lighter 15" G-Sync market literally doesn't exist so it's kind of hard to gauge how popular it would be. I'm certainly going to jump all over it when the P650RE/RG G-Sync variants arrive.

I think it would be interesting to see how popular the P650 series is and how many people would take them over the P7X0 series when G-Sync becomes available.

 

me to thats what I voted for thats all I want, its all I wanted at the time I got my laptop....

 

Voted. Was looking for a 17" 1440p though.

 

I'm surprised there aren't 13/14" screen options, as well as the 960M. Does this mean the P640RE won't have G-Sync? Also,Is the GM107 chip incapable of G-Sync?

Haven't voted yet because I don't want to skew the results since the options I really wish to have aren't there.

 

I don't want to put a dampner on things at all, but a couple of points:

1/ the price of G-Sync is set by Nvidia and Clevo, it's already the lowest cost that it can be

2/ there are several panels on the list which simply can't support G-Sync, because they are not stable at 75Hz.

I totally appreciate that this survey will provide useful information, but some of the options are not viable no matter how many people vote for them :-(

 

1. That price doesn't have to be pushed 1:1 on to the customer.
G-sync and non-g systems hardware only differ in the resistor setup on the MXM board.
So if you are a re-seller who all the time purchases large quantities of standalone GPUs, all you need to do is drop in the right GPU.

2. The LCD spec question doesn't specifically mention g-sync. Apart from that there are non g-sync panels on that list that work well in g-sync but simply have not been licensed, yet. (They don't have a big interest in paying for multiple screens with identical resolution just to support them).

3. Smile, together we are gonna change things for the better!

 

The P770DM-G is offered with a 1080p FHD IPS panel.

 

I do agree that there are probably a decent amount of people buying the Batman laptops simply because they want G-SYNC, and these people might gravitate towards the P650RX series once they're released.

 

1/ But we have to pay for the card and we also have to pay for the license. If a Samsung Pro costs us more to buy than a Samsung Evo, it costs the customer more - it's the same with G-Sync. You're correct that 1:1 cost does not have to be passed onto the customer, but that's an argument around wether you feel it's right for Nvidia to charge for the technology in the first place ;-)

2/ The title of the survey and thread is "G-Sync: What do YOU want" - I assumed that all the choices in the survey would then all be about which panel you want with G-Sync, so you can pass that on to the reseller that asked fo to create the survey. If I missunderstood this then apologies, but maybe others have misunderstood to.

3/ Yes of course

 

Correct, as the title says "what do You want"!

As you said yourself without a couple of the bigger player asking for a certain panel to get support it may very well not happen at all ... this thread was requested to get a better insight into the customers wishes and expectations by people who are actively involved in this development.

 

Prema, here is a feedback I would like to give.

Your first poll is about "What's a fair price for the g-sync upgrade?". Even if you add "fair" 3 times more I don't think that it will describe the exact situation what Clevo wants to know.
I bet that what Clevo really wants to know is what amount of Y would be in sentence: you buy notebook X + GSYNC for Y of extra$$ instead of just notebook X.

So if I were you I would add additional poll called "What fair amount of rebate would you like to get for removing GSYNC out of the notebook?". Or better this one: What discount would you like to get for a notebook with removed GSYNC?
I bet that price would differ from current votes. Average price would be about 140$ instead of current ~60$.

Just my 2 cents.

 

Maybe it's because people tend to think "what display I would take meaning for the same price". They choose bigger and more valuable... while it's not what they were asked
It's a science to read what people want and why. Understand how they think.

 

I think that scaling is garbage on 4K displays so I don't really see any added value in having one. lol.

 

Maybe on current laptop panels, my 4k 40" samsung on my desktop scales 1080p pretty well.

Unless you mean windows scaling, then I understand.

 

You got it! Added a "What's a fair amount to save for removing g-sync support?" question to the poll, happy voting!

 

Yeah, thanks. Just "save" is the proper word I guess if not mistaken.
I'm torn between 125$ and 150$.
While the first poll I voted with 75$

 

Ooops, that's what you get by doing things from the mobile...

 

Voted!

I personally would have seen a 3k Panel. I know that a pair of 980(m)'s can handle all that you throw against a 4k but isn't it a slightly Overkill on 15"/17"?

 

theres no overkill on nbr

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Which should be zero since it's nothing but a cash grab by Nvidia. Not saying it isn't an improvement, just a nominal fee for hardware changes, which likely costs Nvidia next to nothing.

Doesn't matter. Samsung 4k in new P750DM-G is only 60Hz.

3K or even 2.5k (2560x1440) is ideal. Not sure why the focus on 4k.

 

Another question(s) about G-Sync I couldn't find an appropriate answer to: Is a 60-75Hz G-Sync Screen superior to a 120Hz Screen without G-Sync in terms of "fluidness" and tearing? From what I've heard so far, the advantages of G-Sync diminishes proportional the higher the fps are.

So I would suggest that I am fine with my 120Hz Matte Screen!? Respectively will there be G-Sync Screens in the future with more than 60-75Hz? I suppose ovrclockability for G-Sync isn't given due to the G-Sync Technology?

 

It's the "bigger is better" mentality. My screen needs more K's!

I suppose that is a personal preference. I think people might like a 120hz screen over 60/75hz with G Sync. Once someone gets a higher 120hz screen, they generally don't want to change back to 60hz.

 

120 Hz is better if your computer can handle it. The advantage of G-Sync is no tearing (which most people don't really notice anyways) and variable refresh rate depending on your FPS if your computer can't say handle a constant 75 FPS.

 

Then I got lucky with my 120Hz baby!

On a side note: Am I right that you undervolted your 970m's and let them run at stock Settings? If yes, may I ask why? Was it due to minimize buzzing fan orchestra? I am planning to upgrade soon on 970m SLI as well and HELLPOWAH never comes quietly!

 

iirc undervolting is not yet supported on maxwell gpus, just overvolting. i myself would be highly interested in undervolting functionality, since i have my own custom batch file with minimum stable clocks for everyday gpu-idle work would also be nice to undervolt stock clocks for better temps!

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Undervolting is possible, you have to do hex edit vBIOSes and flash them, though.

Yes, I did undervolt GPUs and CPUs. I have heard many horror stories of MXM GPUs (and just laptop GPUs in general) dying after only like 2 years. I want the lowest temps possible and I like being able to not hit over 60-65c on my components since I want my components and laptops to last years and not randomly die.

 

Nvidia would argue (this isn't my argument) that G-Sync is a technology which they have developed and that this development cost money. It is a feature which requires additional hardware support, so it isn't like CUDA which is "internal" to the GPU for example.

On the panel options, you're correct of course that the Samsung panel is a 60Hz panel by specification, but it has to run at up to 75Hz and must be stable at that frequency in order to be G-Sync certified by the ODM. This is why the Samsung 15.6" 4k RGBW panel is approved but the superior Sharp 15.6" 4k RGB is not approved - because the Sharp model isn't stable at the necessary frequency.

 

Okay, that is beyond my competencies.... So I have to go with lapping, proper pasting, fan Profile customising and eventually screw modding. Sounds like I have much work to do!

 

4K is a standard resolution like 1080p has been for a very long time. Not only that, but 4k scales 1080p very well because of the ratio.

2.5k and 3k and nice and all but they don't scale 1080p as well as 4k does.

Although more screen options are always welcome.

 

NVIDIAs arguments are made out of thin air...
In Notebooks (THX to eDP) it doesn't require any additional hardware.
Unlike the FHD with their 75Hz even the g-sync licensed 4K Notebook screens only run @ 60Hz...
G-sync is almost only a licensing and not technological issue.

 

Exactly. I would've voted $0 if I could.