GTX 480M 2GB GDDR5 DX11 PhysX 100W GPU?

only 17 and 18 inch will be able to use the 480m

 

I notice the 480M is listed on Clevo's site as product W881CU:

"Powered by Intel Calpella platform. 17.3 inch Full HD screen enhances the thrill viewing experience. nVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M provides cutting-edge graphic acceleration technology. New Isolated-style keyboard provides spacious room between fingers. Ready for Windows 7. The Gadget you should own."

Link Below.

CLEVO - Products

 

Nice find!

Its a 17" too, the name lookes like a 18".

Full Range AC Adapter 180W, AC in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 19V, 9.48A
Removable Polymer smart Lithium-Ion battery pack 42.18WH
Battery life 90 minutes (with nVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M, 42.18WH)

60W more than W870, and 90 minutes battery life. Thats atleast more than W860 and W870.

 

The chassis looks exactly the same as the w870cu. I wonder if it is the same or if the design is different...

Maybe just gave it a different model name due to the added power supply / gtx480m, because everything appears to be the same. This might be good news as maybe they are making a better battery.

 

It has the same dimensions, but its 8.8mm higher at the thickest. That makes it 100grams heavier and a total of 4.1kg. Not that bad.

 

It has USB 3.O port and Dual DVI GPU which is also COOL!

The only downside is the same battery which will probably last around 60 mins as well. Perfect laptop would be about 90mins though....

 

Well it looks like all the specs are the same, including the motherboard. So it's bigger by 8mm. Guess the question is, will a 480m work in a w870cu seeing that the dimensions are a little different?

And the 2nd question: Is the 480m that much better of a upgrade than the 5870m...

FYI I looked on the site and it says one DVI.

 

AndrewKW: If you look at the spesifications again, or post 54, you will see they are claiming 90 min battery life, with the GTX 480M.

 

Well that pretty much confirms a GTX 480 coming very soon. USB 3.0 means a minor motherboard revision which I'm guessing Alienware will be doing the same. Doesn't look like Clevo managed to squeeze this thing in a dual GPU design which also means AW won't. Seems to be a power hog.

 

This is from clevo's site for W860CU:
Full Range AC adapter 120W AC in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 20V, 6.0A
Removable Polymer Smart Lithium-Ion battery pack 42.18WH
Battery life 90 minutes (with nVIDIA® GTX® 260M, 42.18WH)

Same place for W870CU:
Full Range AC adapter 120W AC in 100~240V, 50~60Hz, DC output 20V, 6.0A
Removable Polymer Smart Lithium-Ion battery pack 42.18WH
Battery life 90 minutes (with nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280M, 42.18WH)

So... not sure how accurate those numbers for W881CU. It says GTX480 will be MXM 3.0 Type B Maybe someone crazy enough would want to try it in their 15".

 

Well, if it's on Clevo's website then it's official. 2 GB GDDR5 - talk about overkill.

The battery is the same as the one in the W870CU and if you look at the specifications for the W870CU it writes the same thing: Battery life 90 minutes (with nVIDIA GeForce GTX 280M, 42.18WH), which means the 480M is downclocking nicely with powermizer in order to save some battery.

 

They advertise W870CU with 90mins as well but we all know you can sqeez only about 55 minutes from battery in reality! I talk about REAL 90min battery life :-(

 

Yup, as 4649 posts, I see that now. Does W870CU support integrated graphics?

 

You might get 90 minutes on Optimus ... that is Arrandale CPUs.

 

Did you not see that quote Joker by Panther in page three about a 480 SLI capable laptop coming? You can dislike him all you want, but as company president he at the very least knows the products coming out for his company.

Also Sleey0 got told AW is shooting for a 400w laptop this summer, which can only mean 480gtx SLI.


I would multiquote but I cant seem to get it to work ;( still a forum noob here

 

Yep, looks like it wasn't a mistake on HP's website about the 2GB GDDR5 NV card is coming to 8740w.
Dunno if a mobo revision is needed for USB3.0. AFAIK, M6500 users can purchase and install the USB 3 micro boards with no problem. Dell might even do something similar with AW series.
Seems like the 480 SLI claim is way too far-fetched. We might not see it till Sandy.

 

Dual 60w MR5870's are still full of win here. I'm not even the slightest bit excited about the new Nvidia cards. Especially not now with this 100w tag that comes with them.

 

I wouldn't believe a single word coming from any company president (especially eurocom) but I do believe Sleey. Hmm, if it's true... I doubt AW will redesign the M17X, but with a 400W PSU we might get a 940XM+480MSLI...

Too bad, I don't need that kind of performance.

 

I'd be very surprised if we see sli 480m anytime soon. Not with that 100W tdp. I won't hold my breath for a 400w AW this summer either. Maybe next year.

 

i really hope it can fit the w870 so i can get swap it wif my current 5870....2gb dd5 is unbeatable!!

 

It's all purely speculation now so who knows.
It might not even be rated at 100W as posted, Nvidia needs a answer to the 5870 that we do know for sure.

 

This is all extremely backwards. Nvidia are making sure that the many of the newer laptops have even less battery time, less portability, a much bigger and hotter less portable power supply brick and more heat output, not to mention the potential of more noise. At that point you might as well just go with a damn Desktop and be done with it



Above is what we will end up with in the end

At least ATI appear to be going the right way with less power consumption and smaller nanometer processes.

 

Well, we are talking about absolute high-end mobile solutions anyway. I think it's a bit much to ask for long battery life with such components. One may argue that it makes no sense to buy a laptop then, and it's true, in a lot of cases it simply makes no sense and you would be better (and cheaper) off with a desktop, however, it makes sense in some cases, e.g. if you move around weekly or monthly between different cities where you always will have a power supply but in which case bringing your desktop along simply sucks. Ever tried traveling by plane and bringing your desktop along? You would have to send it to after you all the time, which would be a pain. But yeah, it is true: I think a lot of people who buy those powerful notebooks don't really need them, but what can you do, a laptop is simply has more style than a desktop ;-)

But anyway, I think Nvidia is moving in the right direction with the Optimus technology and stuff. If the next generation of mobile quad cores will all feature integrated graphics, we should all see a big boost in battery life even with high end laptops. But I repeat what I always say: Buy one gaming notebook and one netbook and then you got it all.

What interests me is, whether or not I can fit the GTX 480M in my W860CU or should we wait for the Mobility Radeon 5970 now?

 

The problem is that the high end architecture ALWAYS trickles down to mainstream eventually; see G92 cores, cpus and everythign else. If you asked someone 4 years ago if the G92 architecture would still be used on 95% of their mobile cards thru 2010, they would probably laugh and say no. As a gamer/heavy user you might not think about or care what the average user is getting, since a lot of people are still "happy" with intel4500 igp's - but if they don't figure out what to do with fermi then G92 will be around for another 4 years. If Nvidia doesn't figure out a way to stay competitive in the mobile market it will be bad for consumers, since ATI really won't have to push themselves. Hell, they already aren't and are STILL ahead of nvidia.

And I'd wait for the 5970/rumored 6xxx from ATI

 

The 5870 just came out and I don't think we will see the next offering from ATI for a while.

 

I am just so happy that the GTX 480M will be available for the D900F ...

 

i'm still not sure i believe this Nvidia card is going to be that much faster than the recent ATI offering....what are we thinking 20%?

 

I really don't get it--

300 Watt AC Adapter?

 

That's what I'm thinking too. Notebooks are almost turning into desktops...

Well, at least ATI is doing it right

 

Might as well buy a desktop instead. This is ridiculous

 

It seems that the GTX 480M is almost made for the D900F, D900F don't have enough TDP for SLI, but a bit too much for a single card, the 480M falls right in the middle and fits in a D900F just nice, not to mention the huge 2gb video ram for CAD applications.

 

If it was only about TDP the D900F could run up to three Mob. HD5850s (30-39w each) for the same TDP as one GTX 480M. For GTX 480M in SLI you can run up to four Mob. HD58070s (AMD.com lists them at 50w TDP each).



One thing to be hopeful for though is if the D900F does actually get a GTX 480M maybe Clevo will finally give the chassis a face lift.

 

Ok, the w870cu shows the gtx480m option on the eurocom site. So I guess it'll work to swap the 5870m, sorry for stating the obvious...but good news(if this is indeed true).

I am still sketchy if this GTX480m is gonna happen. You would think we would of seen some kind of announcement from Nvidia first.

 

The 881CU revamp when 870CU could handle 480M sounds fishy. With dual DVI on the 881CU, I suspect that the 480M is a dual core GPU, and probably with 3D 120hz screen for 3D gaming, that would be the only reason to revamp the 870CU to 881CU.

 

as a d900c owner with q9650 and dual 8800gtx cards (which is still one of the most powerfull notebooks even 2 years after i purchased it) i would expect a single 480m card to be at least twice as powerfull, otherwise it would not be worth the upgrade.

for the ones saying the 100w tdu is too high for the card, that is nonesense. they have had and still have higher tpp-rated components. remember the originall d900 with it's p4 h/t and it's 125w cpu? the d900f also sports the 125w cpu. so why not transfer that tdp to the graphics card and away from the cpu?

i am very interested in how this turns out.

 

I agree with everyone here that for the D900F the 480M is an excellent card. My concerns go to the W870/W880 which is supposed to be a light 17inch gaming laptop. For this class of notebook the 480M is not a very good choice. Also you should know that Nvidia has very low supply on it's 4x0M series and this will probably also be the case for the notebook market.

 

is there any chance for Alienware to have dual 5870s or * single * GTX 480m up this summer??

 

The link was working earlier in the day but its gone now

 

Supply is no problem for the mobile market, since few notebooks can even be equipped with the 480M in the first place, Clevo will probably get the 480M first, and if there's no stock, Alienware can just wait for 2-3 more months later to get it like the 5870MR =P.

 

Taken from notebookcheck:

Notebookcheck: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M

NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M

Beware: Most of the informations in this article are still based on rumors (e.g. leak by Eurocom) and therefore might change till the GPU is released.

The NVIDIA GeForce GTX 480M is a high-end graphics card for laptops based on the Fermi architecture. Therefore, it supports DirectX 11 and is produced in 40nm. According to Eurocom, the GTX480M is available in June 2010 and needs up to 100 Watt. That indicates the usage in large laptops (e.g. the 18" Clevo X8100 like Eurocom announced).

The GeForce GTX 480M can be combined with 2 GB of fast GDDR5 graphics memory (dedicated) according to Eurocom, which doubles the amount of GPU memory found in current laptops (excluding SLI and Crossfire solutions).

Compared to the desktop version of Fermi (GeForce GTX 470 and 480), the mobile version will definately feature less shader cores and therefore also a reduced memory bus (2 GB main memory would indicate a 256 bit wide memory bus). Therefore, the performance should be noticeable slower than a GTX 470 desktop card, but the mobile Mobility Radeon HD 5870 (currently fastest notebook card) should be beaten.

Eurocom charges $380 more than for a single Radeon HD 5870. This also indicates a higher performance of the GTX 480M.

GeForce GTX 480M with 2 GB GDDR5 leaked on the Eurocom website

Manufacturer NVIDIA
Series GeForce GTX 400M
Codename Fermi
Pipelines 0 - unified
Core Speed *
Shader Speed *
Memory Speed *
Memory Bus Width 256? Bit
Memory Type GDDR5
Max. Amount of Memory 2048 MB
Shared Memory no

DirectX DirectX 11, Shader 5.0
Current Consumption 100 Watt
technology 40 nm
Notebook Size large
Date of Announcement 01.06.2010
Link to Manufacturer Page

 

Slower than the 470 by how much I wonder. All this is speculation.

 

Well, let's do it this way:
GTX 480 - 480 CUDA cores - 250w TDP - perf. 100.
470 - 448 CUDA cores - 215W TDP - perf 85
460 - 384 CUDA cores - 185W? TDP - perf ?? (somewhere between 5850
and 5830).
GTS 450 - 320 CUA cores - 165 W TDP - perf. ?? (this is somewhat official)

So let's do some math based on above info:
We get about 0.52W per CUDA core @ 700/1500 Mhz or 0.48W per CUDA @ 600/1200 Mhz. it terms of performance you get about 0.208 perf. points per cuda core at 700/1500Mhz or 0.19 @ 600/1200 Mhz.

So now that we have this info, how much could Nvidia give us at 100W TDP?
Assuming they will use lower clocks, let's say 600/1200 Mhz. Then what you should get is:

GTX 480M - 208 CUDA cores - 100W TDP - 40 perf.

Now we know that Nvidia uses clusters of 32 CUDA cores, then Nvidia can opt either for a core with 192 shaders clocked higher, let's say 700 Mhz or a 224 shader core clocked at 500 Mhz, either way, expected performance is around 40% of that of the desktop GTX 480. Economic rational should push Nvidia to opt for the core with less shaders as this will give them better yields -> higher profits.

So in conclusion, based on current Nvidia architecture, the GTX 480M will be either a 224 shader core @ 500/1000 Mhz or (most probably) a 192 shader core @ 650Mhz/1300Mhz. Either way, performance will be about 40% that of the GTX 480.

At a TDP of 75W, above calculations suggest a card with 160 shaders @ 600/1200 Mhz and performance at around 30% that of the desktop GTX 480.

EDIT: Well that was fun.

 

Your calculations are based on the assumption that the power will be consumed only by the CUDA cores, which might be reasonably accurate for the >400 core monsters, but it will be less accurate for a ~200 core part. Additionally, power consumption doesn't increase linearly with clock speed, because higher clock speeds also require higher voltages in addition to the frequency-related consumption.

In any case, assuming your calculations are correct, the performance should be quite close to the Mobility Radeon HD 5870, because the laptop 5870 is ~40% as powerful as the destkop 5870. As such, the GTX 480M would be ~10% more powerful than the 5870MR.

 

I am aware of all the limitations you have just mentioned. My calculations are not perfect, they are based on power consumption and performance of the GTX 480, GTX 470 and GTS 450 (165W) and they are just an estimation, their purpose is give an idea for what to expect.

Now that I am looking again over my above post and taking into consideration that 100W is most likely for the whole PCB because that's how Nvidia usually gives its TDP, then I think the most likely scenario is for a card with 192 shader cores clocked somewhere around 600-650 Mhz/1200 - 1300 Mhz. Performance should still be around 40% of that of the desktop GTX 480.

If they will also make a 75W card then it should have around 160 shaders and clocked somewhere around 550-600Mhz/ 1100-1200Mhz. Unfortunately it will only have 30% performance of the desktop GTX 480, which would make it actually a bit slower than the Mobility 5870.

Just as you said, based on my above estimations, the 480M is just 10-15% faster than the Mobility 5870. But the 5870 is 65W while the 480 is 100W. For Nvidia's sake, I hope my calculations are wrong.

 

Yeah, if we continue the assumptions the 75W card would then be solidly beaten by the Mobility 5850, since the Mobility 5850 is only ~11% slower than the 5870.

I also hope Nvidia remains competitive, but from the moment I saw the cost- and power-efficiency (or lack thereof) of the GTX 480, the realist in me didn't expect much, especially in the mobile market.

Their 100W TDP suggests to me that their strategy is to throw power consumption to the wind and sell their GPU based solely on it being the single most powerful notebook GPU. Lower-powered Fermi parts just don't seem to make much sense at the moment, unless Nvidia does one hell of a job optimizing their efficiency.

 

what we should keep in mind, that HD 5870 also has a 75 Watt TDP as the full module is concerned... so 100 W don´t scare me too much if the system can deliever performance

 

The 5870 has a 65W TDP including the PCB as far as I know.

 

It'll likely be based from the lowest of the Fermi chips, the GTS 430, so that's a base of 192 CUDA cores, with a 192-bit memory interface. Then they'll chop off whatever is necessary for it to fit in the mobile segment.

It seems improbable for it to come from one of the more powerful chips, yes?

 

I think the GTX 480M will perform a lot better than the MR 5870. If the 480M really has GDDR5 combined with a 256Bit memory bus this would a considerable advantage over the MR 5870. The 280M with only 128 shaders can also hold out about a stock clocked MR 5870, so if the 480M GTX really features at least 196 shaders (53% more than the 280M) it would kick ***. But I think with a 256bit memory bus AND GDDR5 + more shaders the TDP would be far beyond 100W...

 

Well I travel a lot. So I like my laptops to be "portable desktops" as much as possible. Personally, I don't care how heavy it is as long as it qualifies as a "personal item" for airline travel and I can physically carry it without getting a hernia.

But I am probably the exception here.