GTX 480M 2GB GDDR5 DX11 PhysX 100W GPU?

I definitely don't.

 

I say 30% faster maybe.

 

In DX 11, yes, but for DX 10 I wouldn't get my hopes too high.

 

Nvidia have no choice but to make it substantially faster than the 5870 but it is very likely to run a lot hotter and give you lots of sacrifices in mobility in order to do this. All ATI will do eventually will be to release an upgraded 5870 that beats them yet again. For example, a 256 Bit version upgrade.

 

ok so we are sure it will def be faster than the current ati offering?

 

YES. 10 char.

 

and this is looking like a 17 inch + only card or will this be avail for the current 15.6s

 

at 100W it will definitely work only with 17 inch laptops.

 

I dont see any why it wouldn't be available with 15.6 ? Heat issues ?

Would mind an answer to this question as well

 

I actually don't understand this 17 inch only argument, especially in the case of the W870CU/W860CU. Guys, we all know that it's basically the exact same laptop. Same chassis, same cooling system, everything except mere size and display. Don't tell me the few extra cm³ of air in the chassis will drastically improve cooling because even that is practically the same. The only reason why it might not work in 15.6" is because the GTX 480M needs some changes in the chassis design and those changes will be only available to the 17"+ versions (I'm talking about the W881 here), otherwise I see no reason why such a powerful card should not work in a 15.6" laptop that has the same cooling power than it's bigger 17" brother. And yes, I'm obviously biased here, because if the GTX 480M does not need any major design changes and has considerably higher performance than the MR HD 5870, I'm considering getting one ;-)

EDIT: ... took too long to write the post At least I'm not the only one wondering why it should only be a 17" + GPU.

 

Lol you just beat me to it, it feels like 2 months ago we were discussing the 860 and 870 and everyone agreed that there was only slightly better cooling, the only main advantage being the screen size, and lets be honest here the NP860's cooling is amazing so I have no worries on the cooling side.

You mentioned changes? forgive me if it have been explain just tell me to read, I dont expect you to re post. But what are they and has there been a revision of the GPU slot for this card ? Or in theory will it just slip straight in?

 

yeah i think that its safe to say that if the 480 is too much for the 15.6 inch 860, it will definitely be too much also for the 17inch 870

 

It's just mere speculation, but clevo had a new product, the W881, on their side a couple of days ago featuring the GTX 480M. From the pictures it looked just like the W870CU. I guess Blacky was it who pointed out that the W881 was a bit higher than the W870CU indicating some change in design that go beyond building in a third fan (we know that the W870CU and W860CU have a space for a third small fan) and supplying a power supply with more watt, both which could do on our own.

The card will definitely be MXM 3.0b, that's for sure, so it should work just like this. I contacted my reseller about the possibility of upgrading the W860CU with the GTX 480M, since they even pointed out that instead of waiting for the MR HD 5870 I could also go for the GTX 260M and swap it with the GTX 380M which was to come out in June. However, I don't think they can go into detail at this point in time, but I will contact them again once the GTX 480M is officially out, that's for sure.

 

Well they said the new stuff was aimed more towards apps/software rather then games, if apps can utilise that 2gb, then its good to have.

30-50% on the card would be nice, it'd probably be needed too as ATI have had grips on the mobile market for a while now.

 

Nice thanks for the summery mate +1

Good to know the MXM slots are the same thats the major thing I was worried about. And if you can ghetto rig a NP8960/870 to take the card and cool it then all the better. But like you said its more speculation than fact I guess we will ultimately have to wait and see. Its not like the 5870 and the 285M are struggling.

Maybe the height increase is only a minor change in trying to improve cooling, maybe the dimension revision wont be all that much of a problem.

 

It could be as simple as the new Nvidia GPU only being officially supported in a 17'' chassis but unofficially working in a 15.6'' at your own risk. You could probably get a higher rated AC adapter and install the card into your 15.6'' chassis but like everything else, this is mere speculation.

 

Have we seen any hard specs that tell us what the clocks are etc? Why are we still saying how drastically faster its going to be? If it is 50% faster it will be the biggest GPU boost i've ever seen in a laptop.

 

Here's what we know:

Blah blah blah GTX 480M, blah blah 100W?!... 2GB GDDR5 WTH???!!, yadda Nvidia sux yadda yadda, hmm Clevo W881CU, blah blah Eurocom lol.

I think that's it.

 

LMAO ok yeah that does = twice as fast as anything. Well done chaps.

 

I'll say this. A whole lot of GPU power can be packed into 100w, so who knows how strong the card might be.

I mean, the 5870 is what, ~60w? A 40w increase, if used efficiently, could easily be a 30% jump over the 5870.

 

Yeah thats true. It will be a massive power supply i'd guess which would kinda suck, these notes are all ready chunky monkeys for travailing.

 

A Mob. HD5870 with a 100W TDP is a desktop HD5770.

 

interesting, i'm not sure moving up power consumption for notebooks is all that great of an idea, but if it really ends up being twice as fast as a 5870 that would be cool, esp if it will work in current models.

 

I don't think I could have summarized it any better, that is all we know in one sentence.

 

With whatever magic ATI worked, even at 900/1100, pulling a Vantage GPU score above that of the 5770, the Mob. 5870 doesn't consume the 108w. So, what could they do with a targeted 100w TDP?

The next highest card TDP wise is the 1440 shader 5850 @ 151w. If ATI cut it down on a 128-bit memory bus, it might make it.

256-bit + GDDR5 won't be happening for a long time.

 

Hmm. ATI have already stated that their 800-shader part isn't bottlenecked by 128-bit GDDR5, but 1440 is probably pushing it quite a bit.

 

well everyone sell or toss ur 5870s in the trash eh?

 

There's a huge market for your 5870MR if you intend to sell it, all the m15x owners are eyeing the 5870MR in your machine greedily.

 

haha im mostly kidding, who knows if this new card will even work in my W860CU, or if it will even be worth the upgrade + new PS.

 

I expect the difference between the laptop GTX 480 and laptop HD 5870 will be similar to the situation for the desktop cards - the Nvidia card consumes far more power, but mostly gives only slightly better performance.

 

^ Most likely the truth, so no reason to be excited folks.

 

Nvidia actually having a competing card is something to be excited about. It means we will get faster ATis sooner rather than later.

 

And if ATI does, maybe it will also be same mxm as the 5870, but from what i can tell the 5870 is and will be the flag ship ATI card. It is plenty fast. alltough with this new 17 inch laoptop clevo took off their site mayeb they are replacing the W860CU and W870CU with something bigger and better, these are quite old platforms right? I just got mine, but this is not by any stretch a new platform that is capable of handing a bigger Power supply and new cards, maybe this is the end of the line for these units -=(

 

Well that's definitely a good thing! Wouldn't want either side to get complacent. Unfortunately Nvidia doesn't seem to get that raw power isn't the only consideration. No point having 2 GB if the chassis melts before your game loads.

 

Conceivably there's no "end of the line" if you know enough to mod it yourself.

I doubt Clevo will release a definitive upgrade over the 860/870CU until Sandy Bridge or the next MXM type. No point making something new just for Mobile Fermi unless they get a huge discount from Nvidia.

 

The eurocom site gives indication that the w870cu is upgradeable, since you are able to add the gtx480m in the customize options.

 

Hello,

about the w880cu: Look at that Clevo (belgique)site, I don´t know how long it´s "on", though:
Clevo W870CUH 17.3
Looks like the 480m only have 1 GB, though. And a 380m GTX ist mentioned there, too...

Regards
Andy

 

nice on Tirenz wonder when they will be available to purchase..+ rep

 

Sorry to disappoint you James but I don't know much about it. I do know that some work was being done on the website on the weekend and updates where added but I found out like most people through this website that it was posted for a day or two and then removed. I have no input on the website and find out new things posted there just like you do.

I do know that the 100W figure is correct and that in the D900F you will not be able to have this new Video card and the i7-980X together as we just don't have the wattage required. Not sure if the workaround will be a new PSU or what?? I would think the solution will be the D900F replacement unit??

Thanks

 

You are the retail product specialist surely you must know what is put onto the site

 

Of course ATI could do a lot with a 100W headroom on Evergreen but at this late in the game there's really no pressure to bother. GTX480M may take the top performance spot in larger DTRs and mobile workstations but anything smaller (which means the large majority notebooks) still favors ATI's lower TDP.

Nvidia might have a couple of Clevo and AW notebooks to sell their GTX480M come June, and they may even +100 re-brand some 40nm 300 series cards for the mass consumer market, but it's not going to be an over night takeover of the notebook market...it would take months before you see notebooks released to threaten ATI's market share. Likewise if ATI were to release a new GPU it would take months for that card to end up in new notebooks (or maybe never like the Mob. HD4860 ).

That would take us about to the end of 2010 to get to...when we'll start looking for Sandy Bridge refreshes and when ATI was already planning to release it's next-gen (now rumored to be a half-gen) GPU.

Honestly it doesn't really pay for ATI to fire back with a new top end GPU for a smaller semi-mobile market segment....especially one based on a modified GPU sucking on a 100W TDP. Their Mob. HD5870 will still be competitive (or flat out better) on a per watt scale, it's easier to cool in smaller gaming notebooks, and ATI's already got a heavy share of the mass market consumer notebooks that's still looking like a good option into the first batch of Sandy Bridge notebooks.

As much as I'd welcome a new ATI GPU I don't think we'll see one until the 6000 series rolls out next year.

 

I completely agree.

 

Why was it removed?

 

Sorry but I do not update the website. I am in sales and am not the webmaster.

 

My understanding is that it was not removed but was posted inadvertently. The web work was being prepared for it’s release but was accidentally posted to our live website.

Thanks

 

Are you guys going to be selling the GTX480m video card by itself, and if so, for how much?

 

Hm, strange, according to the main site -> Notebook:
Notebook

the W880CU is AVAILABLE
There is another Laptop, the X7200 what only can be the new model of the D900F? The GTX 480m is an option, there, too, and it says it will be available in July... The GTX 380m is available as SLI there, not the 480m...

But if they really know... who knows

Regards
Andy

 

Probably posted early to drum up hits like some do. However, this is the most confirmation we've got on the x7200 thus far. Still, 125W processor with dual 100W GPUs? No way.

edit: They list a 300W AC adapter

 

I agree that ATI won't come out with a new chip any time soon in 2010, I'm just passing the time by speculating on where they could go if they decided to see what could be done with 100 watts this year.

Now that Nvidia is raising the ceiling, ATI will follow suit; maybe not at 100w, but definitely >75w. Of course I'm only speaking for the highest end of the gaming/performance side, because the lower end of the market matters little to me.

 

That looks like a nice notebook.