GTX 560M - another rebrand or more price-performance efficient?

As many of you know, Nvidia is starting again to pump out GPUs. According to Hothardware, the 560M has "192 CUDA cores and clocks in at 775MHz, with 1559MHz shaders, and 1250MHz of GDDR5 memory. The memory rides on a (up to) 192-bit bus, with peak bandwidth of up to 60GB/s."

It is also mentioned that the successor to 485M will be announced later.

So what do you guys think? Time to shell out benjamins?

 

GTX 460M = GF106
GTX 560M = GF116

So if should be more efficient (thus the higher clocks), and cheaper (to manufacture, not necessarily to sell).

 

It may not be based on the GF116, though... There isn't a lot of information on this card, so we need to wait till some guys get a hold of one.

But yes there is a possibility.

 

Respin.

Though "respin" is just a rebrand of the term "rebrand".

 

Is it supposed/expected to outperform the 6970m?

 

If it barely outpeforms the 460m, then no it won't compare with the 6970m. The new "6970m killer" is the hitherto unannounced successor to the 485m card.

 

Heck no. It is suppose to truly rival the 5870M/6870M though. The 6970M's competition is the GTX 485M. If you check the Asus Forums, GenTechPC made a run of P8500 in Vantage with the 560M, so it is a tad up from the 5870M at stock.

Which by then the HD 79xxM series is going to be out to counter that!

 

It's the same basic archetecture and not a smaller process.
They tweak the electronic layout to improve tolerance for higher speed and improve power efficiency a tiny bit.
There aren't any more shaders or anything it's just running a bit faster.
It's probably only about 7-10% faster than 460.

 

Well the thing is the 560M isn't the 6970M killer. The 485M is doing that!

 

Looks fine for me, summer is gonna be hot
Nvidia GeForce GTX 560M and GT 520MX announced - Notebookcheck.net News

 

Not to mention that almost every 460M we've seen so far can overclock to 560M speeds without breaking a sweat. If it turns out the 560M itself can't overclock much over it's stock speeds, it could mean the 560M is almost basically just a 460M rebrand with higher stock clocks from the factory.

 

I agree

560m is 40nm tech too ? just like the older GPU we're using now

and nvidia increase the clock to 775

my 470m is overclock to 675 ( from 535 ) , up 140Mhz

if 560m can up to 915Mhz , this card is verygood , otherwise it's only a reband 460 , but a long battery time

n12e series is from gtx485m , and then gtx560m ,

the 570m/580m(n13e?) is still 40 nm but a high efficiency , until 28nm is coming in 2012 , I think 500m cards can't beat 485 too much .

the 192bit bus and 60GB/s band width , shows that 560m is the commercial trick of nvidia

not a high performance GPU era start.

 

Nividia and AMD are getting filthy rich off of people that buy the same product but with a different name. Keep the 460M until game requirements increase to where new hardware is actually needed.

 

Its actually funny how we were in the 285gtx series half a year ago.. and now seems like in a couple of months we will be seeing 600 series at the rate nvidia is releasing products.

They obviously have a whole marketing strategy behind this and probably underpower their current cards to make room for the full powered ones later. A good overclock will take care of that

For now IMHO we should sit and enjoy our laptops, and in a year or so start looking for new awesome alternatives.

 

its already needed, a gts 450 is not that powerful

 

The 460m, 470m and 480m were all on the market half a year ago. Also, there were no real contenders in the 300m-series for the 285m, just aas there is no real contender in the 500m-series to the 485m, yet.

 

It's not needed. What games actually need anything above a 460M? From what I've read, that card can play all of the modern games with good to great performance.

 

Yes, but exactly my point; it will have a contender very soon and i just bought a 485m, some people are bothered by this lol having ordered their laptops and before it even gets to their door there is a new model already in store

 

The gtx 460m is basically a gts 450, just check the performance, its not that great.

 

Metro 2033, Witcher 2 and the upcoming Skyrim are games that are definitely above the 460m (and for that matter the 560m) in ability to maintain high performance at 1080p resolution and details turned up.

The speculation over the rumoured 580m is geared towards the gamers who need every last drop of performance from their machines, especially since the 485m is absurdly expensive for the performance benefit it provides over the 6970m.

 

It can run most games with good performance but without antialiasing. Once you add in AA, the 460M is not adequate. Overclocking is also a must-do for the 460M. Most can easily go to 800/1400/1600 from the stock 675/1250/1350. This makes games playable in high end settings. Without it many higher requirement games would be in the 19-20 FPS range which is unplayable for many. With the overclock you move into the more comfortable 25+ FPS range.

Fortunately with the small size of the laptop screen at 1080p, the pixel density is so high that I feel that AA is not required and thusly a reason why I purchased this model.

The only game that has made my system suffer badly is Metro 2033.

Yep the 460M (and 560M) is basically the same core as the GTS 450 but the M is actually slightly faster because the GTS 450 has some features disabled.

 

Gentech overcloked the 560m to
Core :931Mhz
Shader: 1862Mhz
Memory:1625Mhz
Latest Nvidia driver.

 

Hmm, nice. A 20% overclock. That will get you a few more servicable frames over a GTX 460M which min maxes out around 830MHz core. Memory is the same of course. I'm kinda jealous now lol.

Of course, that only works out to be 10% faster than an overclocked GTX 460M so it's not a big deal. I'm more curious about heat and power consumption as well.

 

I assure you that the heat and power consumption is the same as for the 460M. I am extrapolating from how Nvidia has been replacing its cards for the past 3 years.

 

The higher clocks negate any power savings.

 

Yes, but it gives more POWER!

 

485M is still around $700 currently, so if the successor (580M or however they want to call it) is still around the same price then it really needs to offer at least 30% performance improvement for me to consider upgrading lol
Although 485M did surprise me enough.

 

If Nvidia goes the same route with the hypothetical 580m as they did with the 560m, that may be a bit on the high side. The 560m only offered a change in the GPU architecture and slightly overclocked core and shaders. If they do this for all higher end 500 series, then it wouldn't be surprising to only see 10-20% improvement with the replacement for the 485m. Granted, they could always mix it up and do a totally new card as well.

 

I could see a totally new card being cheaper only if it were on 28nm and Nvidia doesn't use the full node shrink to make a full bump in cores...and even then I don't think they'd drop the price on a card that'd have a noticeable performance increase over a HD6990M.

In other words, if a GTX 680M has c.480-576 cores, instead of the c.768 cores 28nm has the potential for, it'd be smaller than GF114 and less expensive to produce...but Nvidia wouldn't necessarily pass on all those savings to consumers if GTX 680M is say 20-35% faster than HD6990M.

After AMD launches the HD7000M series it'll be back to the same cost vs. performance situation we see now.

 

Personally I'm holding out for a newer card that is more powerful and also more energy efficient so I don't have to buy a new adapter...although I realize that is highly unlikely.

 

I'm pretty sure the 560M is running at a slightly elevated voltage over the 460M, at least in it's top performance state, that would account for the higher over-clocking.

 

A quick check with Nvidia Inspector and GPU-Z in the highest power state at load would confirm that if anybody cares to do so.

 

Received my NP8150 w/ a GTX560M. Pretty basic config (2630 / 4GB / 320GB). All drivers installed came from shipped CD (will check for upgrades later). Came w/ latest April '11 BIOS.

First run of 3dmark06, default settings = 15,305.