Gtx 285m

Do anyone know clock/memory speed on this card?
And which of the following will be faster?

CIZMO (clevo reseller) is listing the 285M card for W860
SANTECH (CLevo reseller) is listing the ATI Mob. 5870

Thanks

 

If they offer the 280M for a cheaper price, isn't it better to get that, and oc to 285 speeds, seeing as they are the exact same card?

 

Good point.
But It's still strange CIZMO aims to deliver the 285 by the end of this months and we still missing specs.

Btw I would still go for dx11 with ati 5870 offered on W860 from Santech.

 

italian.madness. You know you have my attention when you made a thread with GTX 285M in the title, haha. I will be bombarding Cizmo's email with questions regarding the card. But just from looking at their webpage, they have the Arrandales ready for selection on their notebooks. What I have trouble believing is their specs W870CU. They are listed to have 220W PSU's, which are traditionally only used by the D900F and the M980NU soon to be X8100, instead of the 120W PSU's that the current models are using.

 

Having kept on eye on most European resellers since the advent of the M860, Cizmo has been known to get ahead of itself, making 'guesses' at times. They definitely won't release a new version of the notebook before anyone else.

 

Oiad. It is against the forum rules for me to copy-paste private emails or PM's here, so I'll paraphrase. On January 29th, we might just see those GTX 285M's shipping out. They already have a shipment of the cards on their way to their warehouse. North American resellers may still be under NDA, but this little reseller doesn't like to keep it's mouth shut.

This is why Clevo has authorized the price cuts across the current notebook lineup. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5758022&postcount=3333

I better come up with my $500 again to pay for that card since I already splurged it on a netbook that I'm going to mod.

 

True, I'm not denying they've ordered them. It just seems very optimistic to me. Cizmo tend to advertise early (yet they shouldn't but they do) but are still as clued in as the other resellers. They've even taken previous ads down because details regarding the notebooks changed from what was expected after the NDA was lifted.

Of course if they really naughty enough to send details, I wouldn't mind a PM to highlight the findings.

 

Indeed. I've taken a look at Cizmo's track record and it seems they like to let the horses go early sometimes. As much as they sound firm about the cards coming in by the end of the month and given their reputation, the gamer inside me wants that card out already and is willing to believe this.

If the GTX 285M does come out early, that means Nvidia has only one card left to unveil, and that's the GTX 380M at CeBIT at March. I hope Nvidia is right when they told babyhemi this at CES. For me, I'm skipping the first iteration of the G92b successor. I'll wait for the last card of it's architecture to launch before I upgrade again.

 

If the GTX 285M really surfaces, hope for 675mhz core and at least 1000mhz memory.

 

Yes. The GTX 285M may just be set to that, which is a minimum 15% performance gain over the GTX 280M clocks. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=5737324&postcount=1936

Now it's more of a question of how far can these cherrypicked cards overclock. The clock keeps ticking away.

 

Would current GTX 280m owners have any reason to bother with these 285m's SS? As I said above, couldn't we oc the card and have a duplicate of the 285m. Or even still, oc higher than the 285m's speeds.

 

Chances are that the 285M will on average OC higher than the current 280M.
For example, my best fully stable clocks are 610/1525/900 at even 95C+. I am sure the 285M will easily hit 650/1625/950 and remain fully stable.

 

Oh ok. I was under the assumption that the two cards were identical except for being factory overclocked...which is why I didnt assume there would be any temp changes between and oc'd 280 (or vbios flashed one) and an 285.

What idle temps do you get for your 280m Blacky?

 

I usually get anything from 45-51C in when idle. Although more often it sticks at 47-48C.

 

GTX 280M owners can skip the GTX 285M without missing anything. It's basically, from what I know atleast, a handpicked, factory overclocked GTX 280M with improved PowerMizer and DX10.1. Because these cards are going to be of very high quality, it can overclock well over 680/1700/1000 and still remain stable at high temperatures. One detail that I am not 100% sure about is the memory. Part of me says that Nvidia is going to shp these out with the same 1000MHz rated Samsung GDDR3 chips, but you never know.

 

i can suicide my 280m at 675/1688/1080 ona dox driver and normal is 690/1688/1080.. again suicide runs. i only ran very few times. after 1070 things are shaky. i would say
650/1625/1025 or 1050....

 

All of this speculation makes my poor MXM 2.1 slot sad.

I've been left behind, but I'll be back in the mix after GTX 300M is revealed.

 

as long as its the same tech(dx10) don't worry about it.

 

I find it hard to believe that Sager would put the current I7 units on sale just for the 285m ddr 3 mem @ 75 watt TDP and is only slightly faster than the 280m and slower than the ATI HD 5870 w/gddr5 @ 60 watt TDP. I could see Sager doing a revision to accept either card, which would be good. Perhaps fix a few problems that have been noted and add a larger power brick as the 120 watt really is not adequate. I figure with the 920qm CPU (55W) + GPU (75w) Motherboard fully loaded (25 - 30 watts), plus whatever the panel uses and that is without plugging in USB toys that draw power. We quickly see 120 watt brick is to small. Which all in all may be a new revision far more meaningful then just changing to a 285m. Anyway s, just a thought to generate more thought

 

If it gains even 10% over the 280M, it will be in a heat with the 5870, close enough that ATi will lose some of its thunder. Keep in mind that this 285M is just a stop gap to stay competitive in the market until the new series comes.

 

True on both counts. Games coded for Nvidia of course favour their cards and will show better results than other games.

 

There's still more room for the mobile G92b to breathe. If Nvidia can make 675/1000+ a reality, that's at least game for 6000-6500 GPU score in Vantage, which is 5870 territory. I wouldn't expect DX10.1 at all, though. If it could be OC'd to GTS 250 clocks, it wouldn't be half-bad!

 

It's now January 29th and the NDA has been lifted. Here is the GTX 285M in all it's pride and joy. Looking at it's specs, the core/shader seems to be set to 600/1500. Not a problem here as we can just overclock, but what has my attention is the memory. Nvidia lists it as (up to) 1020MHz, 70MHz higher than the GTX 280M. Did Nvidia replace the 1000MHz rated Samsung chips with better ones? Maybe so because the GTX 280M with the memory set to near 1000MHz was unstable for some people and it is unlikely that it would be stable at 1020MHz using the same chips. Let's see if I can get my hands on that card. http://www.nvidia.com/object/product_geforce_gtx_285m_us.html

 

It wouldn't be a problem for them to have GDDR3 at 1100 Mhz or even more.

I am a bit disappointed though, I was expecting something clocked a bit higher.

 

Wow this thing sucks. It's barely a mild overclock of the 280. 1100 mhz is very doable, I was hitting it with the 280M when I had the 8690 and it was 100% stable.

 

my max overclock is 690/1688/1080

the memory is 1070 max stable for me.

280 user should bios flash to 285.

 

We have just got a GTX 285M shipment in so to confirm, clocks are:

GPU - 600MHz
RAM - 1000MHz
Shader - 1500MHz

They are the same price as the GTX 280M

Also I would advise against flashing a 280M with 285M BIOS........

 

its a hit/miss situation and alot of trouble for resellers i understand.

 

Yup, we flash BIOS on desktop cards all the time but in this case I'm just giving a friendly advisement against it.

 

Although this doesn't seem like much of an improvement over the current GTX280M, at least people who have just ordered their W860CU should be able to be upgraded to this one at no extra cost.

At first I thought it was merely an identical factory (higher) clocked GTX280M card but as others have mentioned, it may have different memory.

Either way, I am looking forward to do some real game benchmarks with this card, the Intel Core i7 820QM 1.73 Ghz and my 1600 X 900 screen. I will probably do the same ones that we did in the Quad vs Dual Benchmark thread.

I hope they release the ATI card soon though. If it only has a 128 Bit Bus with GDDR5 I won't be so excited though.

 

Thanx Neil, that makes it possible for the GDDR to be the good old samsung 1A... the same as it was in the 9800M GTX.

 

You will not be excited.

 

Nope he definitely won't! lol. Regardless, the 128 bit bus with GDDR5 makes the 5870 about 20% faster than a 280M.

 

it's not the same chips are the 9800m gtx. my sager np9262 with a 9800m gtx maxed out completey at 970 before artifacting. 950 was the limit.

my m17x with the 280m is stock at 950 and hit 1080 before articfacting.

i will do some runs at 600/1500/1000 for you all. how ever i would like to point out that the scores may not be as high as they are suppose to because i have alot of dpc latency and stuttering. i will do single and sli later on tonight. does that sound good?

 

That's because the 9800M GTX is MXM 2.1 .
As far as the GDDR goes the current 280M MXM 3.0 and the 9800M GTX have identical GDDR Ram.

 

Besides the clocks and timings what is different - why do you advise against this if our cards have no problems reaching and going over 285m clocks? Im just curious what else (besides the clocks and bricking the gpu with a bad flash) could be the problem so you advised this?

 

i havent seen you in like 8 years. what's up?
i have an m17x now with two 4870's and a qx9300.

 

Neil@Kobalt and I know what happens when a GTX 280M is flashed with a GTX 285M BIOS. If you want to know what happens too, flash it on.

Aside from that, since the weekend, I've been having a few BSOD issues with my card and sometimes a few screens with a sh*tload of checkered artifacts before crashing. It's starting to p*ss me off so I'm going to be diagnosing later.

 

Would you care to share than before i flash? Especially good if its so bad that id have to do a blind flash after it..

 

Been studying day and night since i started attending lectures and i still havent passed all my anatomy exams.. im actually 1 behind.. gotta do 2 at once now (thorax+abdomen) if i want to pass..

 

I fixed the problem with my GTX 285M; it turned out to be a dum dum user error by me. My lowest level was set for 150/200/75 instead of 150/300/75. Easy fix.