Gtx 485m?

Maybe it's not thread-worthy, but I saw this in the x7200's service manual. I guess it's time for speculation?
It'll drag the distance between 480M and 470M so more people would go on for the high end side. And it's probably based on GF104 too.

 

They would be smart to counter HD6xxx with a top end GF104 core.

 

I think Nvidia wants a high end chip that runs a bit cooler and they now have the chips to do it with. I'd put a pair of 485M's in SLI on my shopping list

Have to wait and see. I suspect the spins of Fermi are coming fast and furious now. It might also explain the lack of availability (harder to find and higher price) of 480M's at the moment. Meaning they are winding down production of 480M in prep for the new one.

 

On what page is this found?

 

page 14 (or 1-2) on the specifications

 

Probably 2x 460m on the same chip, like what they are planning to do for the desktop version as well. Basically, the efficiency of the 460m with shader number of 480m.

 

That's impossible.

More likely is a GF104 core, with the full 336 shader count of the GTX 460.

 

It could be as efficient as 470M and about 40% more performance.

 

Like Kevin_Jack2.0 said, that's impossible... the board does not even support 2 dies on one PCB, nor is there space for it and they would have to produce a second heatsink... but the space is the main reason. Both dies would have to be right next to each other, such a design would run too hot.

GTX 485M will most likely be based on the GTX 460 (hopefully with 256 bit memory bandwith), i.e. a GF104 336 shader GPU which would rock. But of course the next Mobility Radeon seem just around the corner... so if they dare Nvidia could bring a GF104 with the full 384 shader to the mobile world, but that would have to be severely downclocked and undervolted and from what we can tell fewer shaders but significantly higher clocks beat more shaders and sigificantly lower clocks.

 

Worst case scenario, is that the 485M is simply a 480M with a bit higher clock speeds squeezed out of it. This would be disappointing.

re: GF104

If speculation is correct, and the 470M is right at 75W, it seems that Nvidia would need to push into the 80-90W range to find any more headroom for the 485M.

 

That's still better than 100w, and it will no doubtly replace 480m. That is, of course, if it's gf104.

 

The fully enabled GF104 is exactly what I had in mind for something like this.

That would be what the GTX 480m should have been

 

they just wouldn't do it in the first place so they can nag a few hundred dollars.

 

As other mentioned, 485M will probably be the answer to AMD's M6870, to narrow the performance gap before 580M arrives...some day, many many months from now, lol.

 

Of course.....this is nvidia....the full GF104 may just be called 580m lol

 

That sounds good, lets skip X7200 and old nehalem 980x CPUs and wait for Sandy + efficient 28nm Fermi And you know what? Lets skip this garbage and wait for OLED LCDs and 500GB $100 SSDs... I love reading these speculation threads

 

He did not say to wait for anything actually....

 

Exactly BTW, Scook, when is your next upgrade?

 

The only thing I would wait for is sandy bridge

 

my next upgrade is not until this laptop crashes and burns gloriously lol

I have expenses now so gotta sit out from the top of the line laptop game

Bought the M17x last summer when my income was about 95% disposable lol (now it is down to like 5%)

 

Yeah, I can understand. Still got 2 years to pay for the M17X. That doesn't mean we can't dream, right?

 

I know he did not said to wait, no offence.. just seemed funny to me... go ahead guys I am watching ya

 

Mine is paid off, paid cash. I do not like owing anyone money lol. I could sell it and get something else, thing is, NO resale value I would get $2k if I was LUCKY (cost me $3500)

Whether spent cash or credit card, you are not fooling anyone, you are still going to have to pay that much or more (interest). Do not be the typical American

 

I'm just a high school student... I'm working my off to get 3k lol

 

I was a college student when I bought my laptop (well, that one, bought a nice one before the M17x too)

Parents were supporting me financially freeing up much of my income lol. Not the case anymore

 

That depends on how you do your math. When you buy a house, you do become the typical American anyway, lol.

 

I would say a home is in the NEED category and a laptop especially the M17x is in the WANT category lol...

Go into debt for a house ? sure makes sense...

Go into debt for a M17x ? Um no..

 

I don't wanna hijack the thread and explain you why it makes sense. You probably never lived in a country where financing is the only way to buy anything, that's y you probably don't know how to turn it to your advantage
And of course, you probably do not consider a situation when it's either financing and have the notebook now or start saving and and have it in 2 years...maybe

 

Yes i dont want to hijack this thread either but i was only commenting based on your HOME analogy .. They are just so different of things ... Now you are correct about the whole never having lived in a country thing ..

 

I say lets skip everything and go live in a cave in a mountain and return here on the forum 50 years from now, and see what's up then. Then we will skipp what will be then, and wait another 50 years.

 

I would not worry too much about hijacking the thread, it is a speculation thread lol (no offense to the OP)

 

When did the 285M's appear? ~ March? That's probably when we can expect to see the 485M in Clevo's, IMHO.

 

They appeared right after the 4870s did lol (because nvidia was hurting)

 

I honestly don't care lol, it's just speculation thread.

Another off topic question: why is there no benchmark for 470M at all? Bench for 460M came out a week ago.

 

^^ I guess those benches would greatly affect the 480M sales, hehe. Just a speculation of course.

 

Well it's not like nvidia can stop people from benching or something...

 

Of course not, but it's up to them and their partners to plan the timing.

 

They may still be under NDA while the other 2 models are not?

 

They don't have to be under NDA (but they could), just a mild (1-2 months) delay Resellers and ODM's can play the same or different games, who knows for sure.
In my field, there are so many shadow games and the end user never knows what's going on. I assume, it shouldn't be much different here, or anywhere else for that matter. Dunno...

 

It could be that the 485m is basedon the same chip like the 470m (geforce 104), but it may very well be a full geforce 104 like the desktop 460gtx, albeit with smaller freq, but enough to outperfrom the 480m.

 

Then it may justify a TDP of 100W.

 

100W of GF104's efficiency could be glorious.

 

GTX 485 sounds reactionary since it was recently implemented in the BIOS. Maybe the 6870 is closer then anticipated?

 

I really hope so. It'd be great.

 

Well BARTS XT comes out in October (maybe even late September). If there will be a Mobility Radeon HD 6870 (or whatever it will be called) it most likely will be based on BARTS XT, so it could come out along with it in October. Nvidia would be well advised to at least counter with a 334 shader GF104 mobile solution.

 

Yes, but that would screw the 480M sales. There should an arrangement between the two to give each product its time.
As much as I wish to jump on a 6870, I feel this won't happen till March.

 

Let's just say that nvidia realized they screwed up badly and decided to screw 480m

 

What? Why should AMD care that their product will destroy the product of their rival and leave them no other option than release the GTX 485M sooner as planned - especially when at the moment they have the "weaker" product? I certainly hope their is no such arrangement as it would violate the competition law of probably every important market (at least US and EU) which of course does not mean there could be no such arrangement. Those prices and tactics are worth an investigation anyway, maybe I should drop by the European Commission and make them aware of this - liberate the mobile GPU market! Go Go Go! Actually it's not such a stupid idea at all as literally everybody can report a violation of competition law online, but there is no evidence...

Just a quick question to all the Clevo resellers here: Are you currently under any Nvidia NDA? If yes, what is the closest date the next NDA expires?

 

There's a widespread business practice when a single "company" owns two competing brands and artificially creates healthy evolution, while none of the employees ever even knows about it. Not saying that's the case here.
Also, even if two companies compete - there are certain and very strict rules. Nobody wants to provoke chaos. If you screw your rival today, your "tomorrow" won't be assured as your rival will do the same to you, thus, by destroying each other you're constantly losing $$$.
Again, it's hard to see what's really going on, so take my words with a huge grain of salt.

 

I know what you mean, that is the case in many areas here in Europe too. For example there are only a handful of companies in a lot of markets, e.g. big Electronic stores or supermarket, although there are many brands, most are owned by those companies so the consumer may think that Media Markt and Saturn (most likely those names won't ring a bell in the US) are competitors as they present themselves as such, but in fact they are owned by the same company. Anyways, the situation here is different. This market (GPUs) has basically two competitors, AMD and Nvidia. Every other competitor (Intel, SIS, etc.) only has a relatively small market share. So in this case AMD and ATI cannot be owned by the same company, because this would practicaly create a monopoly. Even under EU Competition law (which is a lot stricter than US law on those matters) coorperation between competitors may be allowed, but it can only be justified under certain circumstances. One big justification is the promotion of innovation. But in this case (AMD and Nvidia agreeing to delay there GPUs to make more profit) the cooperation would aim at slowing down the introduction of new products, so this would be the exact opposite of innovation and be a massive violation.

What you said about companies makes sense, it sure describes the US approach: give the companies more freedom since they cannot screw each other without fearing the revenge of the party they screwd. However, in most cases the consumer is the one who gets screwd in the end. I do think that a stricter US Competition law especially in this high tech area would benefit the consumer.