Gtx 485m?

I am sure it will happen, and the desktop cards at that node will be great, but it will take longer than a year for the laptop to get the same advancements

 

My thoughts exactly !

How much do YOU think 2x28nm 100w Gpus might score, ?

Come to think it this way.

5870 is a 7500 p gpu score part
6970 is a ~11.000 p gpu score part (nice increase over one generation if you ask me)
judging by this, a single 7870 should be at the very least a 15.000 part.

2 of them are between 28k and 30k the way crossfire scales.

So i think i got my numbers pretty right.

Yah, sure, its a powerfull system close to your desktop, but we are talking about 28nm 100w laptop gpus times 2.

 

the 6870 scores less than the 5870.....the 6970 however is about a 10k score. I would expect around 12-13k stock on a 7000 part. Crossfire scales poorly.....so that would come out to probably about 20-21k stock in Vantage.

That is all speculation though, only time will tell

 

6000 series Crossfire scaling is almost perfect.

 

Yah, i dont know where ppl get the idea that crossfire scales poorly.

Ive seen mostly 85 to 95 % more performance with 2 cards.

If that means crossfire scales poorly, then we got a probem, cause i dont know nvidia sli scaling being more than 100%.

 

The 6000 series does scale well, but the only 6000 series laptop part is the 6970m right now

(The 6870m is a rebadged 5870m)

 

HD6400, HD6600, and HD6700 are all new parts like HD6970M.

 

Well that is good because I despise rebranding

 

There's some scaling issues in the tom's hardware benchmarks of the 6970M. But that probably has more to do with the game, engineering samples and immature drivers than anything else.

 

Sadly enough, I already feel that 460M sli can't fill my desire up
Gotta win a lottery and get four desktop 580s now.

 

r the mobile cards gonna stop at Nvidia 555M or is Nvidia launching a GTX 580M as well throughout the year?

 

Nvidia has stated the GTX 485m will be its flagship part (is what they said at CES). That will probably hold true for most of this year

 

Yeah, I wouldn't expect anything more powerful before the end of the year.

 

That may change if BlackComb beats the 485M

 

From the preliminary reviews it looks like 6970 is about 10-15% behind GTX 485 which makes sense if you consider each card's closest desktop equivalent: 6850 and GTX 460. 6970 mobility is basically a downclocked (680/900 vs. 775/1000) HD 6850 with a reduced 128-bit bus width; GTX 485 is basically a downclocked (575/1500 vs. 675/1350) GTX 460 with an additonal 48 cores and complete 256-bus width. A desktop GTX 460 is about 5-10% slower than a desktop 6850, but with the added cores and bus width in the GTX 485m those results are reversed.

I'm betting neither nVidia nor AMD/ATI is not coming out with anything faster in mobile GPUs until they go to a smaller die process (late this year/early next). What may happen (although doubtful because nV will retain the ultimate top spot in mobile GPUs) is prices may be lowered a bit on GTX 485 once 6970 is out.

 

Wrong and Wrong.....the 6970m is architecturally identical to a desktop 6850 (both are 256 bit memory) and the GTX 485m is architecturally identical to a desktop GTX 560 Ti

The only differences are the power envelopes and clock speeds

 

Right, was looking at the 6850 mobility's bus width in a table. Also, describing the GTX 485m as a downclocked GTX 560ti is more accurate.

Apples to apples, the desktop 6850 is about 10% slower than a GTX 560ti which should hold close to true for 6970 mobility vs. GTX 485m.

 

I agree

What will be exciting is seeing if the mobility parts can clock up to the stock speeds at least of the desktop parts. Then you are talking about some serious power (well, even at stock these systems are pretty sick haha)

 

Was thinking that as well: we've pretty much determined -for-tat what the performance difference is comparing the cards at stock speeds -- it should be more interesting seeing how high both cards can clock.

Can anyone with a GTX 485m comment yet on how high their card can OC?

 

the 485M can OC pretty high, from 575ish core to about 710mhz without touching the voltage.

 

WOWWW

any documented reference somewhere online? some benchmarks maybe?

 

Yeah.. I'll be getting a 485 with my laptop, can you describe you oc settings?

 

see Clevo x7200 and Sager NP7280 owners lounge p279

 

470 max 0.94 ,normal 0.82

and...

 

@1341, Give up to upgrade to 940xm and 485M?

 

any word if i can upgrade my 480m to a 485m, in my NP8850?

 

If it's a MXM IIIb that can support 100W cards, then yes.

 

Clevo hasn't added BIOS support yet, it won't boot.

 

i know w860cu can, with the "picked" low tdp 485m
though we see "nvidia vga card" in bios but the card still works good

100w tpd support w880cu should work with 485m i think

 

Any ideas where in future can we see 485M inside models from lets say Lenovo, HP, Dell or may be Sony? I was sad to find out that some manufacturers whose design I don't really like have it in 15.6 enclosure. While Dell is said to have it only in M17X if I am not mistaken.

 

Lenovo, HP, Sony? Never.

Dell? It's long been rumored to be hitting the M17x, but it hasn't happened. I don't think it will, because there's no reason for Dell to not have added it yet, when Clevo has been selling them since January.

 

Wouldn't Dell benefit by adding 485M support to the R3?

 

Why? So what do I do if I need a reliable best in class machine, don't want 17 inches, want less, and will not go for a brand that just sticks its name on OEM rig...

 

What's wrong with the Clevo 15" models already selling the 485m?

 

Hate its design, not going to invest 3+ K USD to a non brand machine.

 

I fail to conciliate "not go for a brand that just sticks its name onto OEM rig" with "not going to invest in a non-brand machine".

At present, options are very limited for options on the 485m. If external design matters so much to you, you could always pick the Alienware but forego the 485m for the 6970m. The final option is to wait until Alienware decide to offer the 485m as an alternative, I agree with Kevin in that the 485m is a niche product and a lot of "mainstream" laptop brands will not configure their product lines with the card.

 

Well for me sticking a brand tag on a design and hardware you may have little to do with is same as doing non-brand thing. I don't know who is the originator of those rigs, and even be it Clevo the fact that same machines are sold under many (like 5) different brand names makes me not want one. I would go for AW but 17 inches where it is obvious same can be packed in 15.6 is not good for me, I simply can not afford that kind of size around me, the killing of M15X was really a saddest thing coz I may have hoped for M15X to be equipped with the same level video card as 485M.

 

I don't comprehend a word you just said.

 

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Alienware don't design their own laptops by the way, they simply adopt an existing chassis design and then build their options around it. If your gripe is that most laptop manufacturers don't design and build their own unique chassis from scratch for retail, then you're going to be very disappointed with the lack of eligible options for your PC.

By the looks of it, you've quite the fixation over external design. Either wait for Alienware to release the card as an option or wait even further when new technology is released.

 

Yeah the current Alienwares are built by.... Compal, I believe.