HD photos: My Nyx1712 (P170EM)

yea the machine is one piece of good engineering, everything I do on it is just smooth.

 

How about temps and noise?

 

oh snap! I'll post up temps when I redo the video since I didn't use a monitoring tool. I did however finish more benchmarks Cinebench R11.5 will post the photos here in a few

 

For the record, I had to watch part of the video to listen to the accent since you mentioned it. I like accents and couldn't recall ever hearing a Malagasy (had to look that up!) accent. I'm on a slow connection so I couldn't watch the whole thing, but just wanted to say you hardly have an accent at all for most words!

 

Thanks for the great pics!
I see you have the glossy screen. In the pics I can see some reflections, so the question is if its bothering you?
Currently I have a 2008 macbook (white) 13 inch model. Although its a glossy screen, there is not a tremendious amount of reflections. At least not nearly as much as I see in the reviews of the alienware M17x R4. So with my macbook I can live in terms of reflections. The current macbook series has a tremendious amount of reflections in my opinion...

What draws me to the glossy screen in the Clevo/Sager is apparently the 90% NTSC color gamut. I do some photo and video editing, and no 17 inch laptop offers a matte screen with such a color gamut, so its one reason I am still considering the glossy over the matte. Otherwise i would have to give up the 17 inch and go for the Lenovo W520 or P150EM with the same 95% NTSC color gamut in it. But dont want to give up 17 inch that easily

Also, another question, how would you rate the built in camera? I am looking at the W170ER actually, and so far it seems the sound and the camera is crap. Wondering if the P170EM has the same camera or not.
Thanks for the pics again,....and if you can manage to post a pic of it next to the 15 inch model it would be great

Ok....now I will stop bothering...for now

 

pics coming tonight
the glossy screen is very beautiful, I hardly ever notice any reflections in it as the brightness of the screen alone cancels them all out, and I come from a matte screen world.

The camera is very nice, no stutter at all unless you're shooting in pitch dark, I'll do a video of the sound quality of the laptop which to me is very satisfactory, watching movies on it is pure joy. but when working I tend to use my Nokia Bh503 bluetooth headset which the laptop supports very well even the music controls and pick up drop calls work with skype and media player/winamp

 

Thanks!
Looking forward to some pics
PS...we are roughly from the same neighbourhood
Born and raised in South Africa, but for the time being in Germany.

 

Cool looking forward to the GPU power in things like this. We have other clients that do that kind of work, and there is no better benchmark then someone who does this everyday Otherwise we are just making up a benchmark lol.

thanks!

 

Great thread btw spectroplasm

 

Thanks mate and as promised to Quickstrike2 here are the size comparisons of the Nyx1712/P170EM against a 15" Acer 5732Z, and oh my does that Acer look small what do you think Quickstrike2 you up for a 17" inch beast?

 

Wow.. ^^ The last picture says it all... A beast !!

 

yea looking at it makes you think this thing fits in the 18" category, I'll have to fetch a M18x from a friend just for snapshots sometime, they are practically the same size, apart from the extra flubber they gave the AW

 

^^Yeah, I hate that extra crappy flubber. Anywho, I bet this would make the P150EM the perfect size for me!

 

I'd still recommend a Sager to anyone, also, Sager has responded to the petition let's hope they get the rest of the 7970m's out the door and start looking back at the HM owner's case. I got my fingers crossed they will say it's supported and that users need to recall their machine for an EDID/Mobo update that should make people happy

 

Thanks spectroplasm. The 17" is not that much bigger. I even went to my local Fry's and think the 17" doesn't seem that big at all (at least to me). This confirms me getting the 17" instead of 15".

 

You're welcome .

Now here are some benchmark results done in Cinebench R11.5 I've used MSI afterburner for checking the temps of the GPU and Intel XTU for the temps of the CPU. it's confirmed by me, the temps on this laptop are stellar. The maximum highest on the GPU was 63C I've the photo as proof also the maximum temps I got off the CPU was also around that figure 60~63C.

The minimum Temp stated as 0C on the MSI monitor is my GPU reverting to emergency shutdown, since I pushed the clock a over the 750Mhz line on the core and the shader over 1500Mhz, I just eased off a little and everything was good to go


Rendering done using the "CPU Multicore" profile, it manages to get 4th place beating out the desktop i7-960 and the i7-860 CPU. Leading the pack is the Xeon W5590 Octo core.


Rendering done using the "OpenGL mode" Profile. The i7-2860QM & GTX675m manages 2nd place, beating out the Xeon W5590 & Quadro FX5800, Xeon X5570 & Radeon HD 4870/ i7-860 & Radeon HD 4850, and the i7-960 GTX280M. Leading the pack is the AMD Opteron 2435 & FirePro V8750.


Rendering done using the "SingleCore mode" Profile. The i7-2860QM cpu placed first, meaning it's single core management is the best amongst the competing CPUs, 2nd was the Xeon W5590 followed by the i7-860, then the X5570, followed by the i7-960, and lastly the Opteron 2435.

I hope these figures give those wanting to know how good the 2nd Generation i7 sandy bridge processors are. I really can't wait for someone to test the Ivy bridge CPUs as I'm sure and certain it will be much better than the 2nd Gen's scores .

Cheers everyone

PS: to get a better view of the image please right click on any image and select "view image" if you are in Firefox

 

What are you using to make your desktop like that?

 

It appears to be Rainmeter

 

Maybe you should do vids with fraps on and off so we could see how much of a difference it makes.

Don't worry, accents are cool.

Epic tutorial, +rep.

Regarding the sager response to the petition, did anyone notice they forgot to close the thread after sager posted?

I'm getting a 3720QM, would love to see how it compares to your 2860QM.

 

Nice choice of CPU, the 3720QM I'll bet will give better results, I've got my eyes set on that 3820QM one but it will be a while before I get one, I'm still in love with the 2860 for now

 

So the temps are really low, how about noise?
seems the temps are nothing like the notebookcheck review, thats good news.

Thanks for everything man!

 

Do you want it for the cache or clock speed? I got this one because Mythlogic has a really good price on it and I write very CPU-bound games, so the +300MHz will be very noticeable for me.

 

For the Cache most certainly, the clock speed will come as an added bonus. You see for simulations and even coding games, you will need cache over speed, since the cache will act as a refresher for the CPU. It's one of the most decisive factors in a cpu that most people over look.

it works like two runners one built for marathon and another built for sprinting. The maraton runner would take a beating before he goes tired, I associate the marathon man to the cache. The sprinter on the other hand can run really quick and most certainly will beat the marathon runner in a timed 100m race. But the catch is this, when you need to compile a long string of code or heavy simulations, the marathon man will be your best choice, since he is able to "refresh" himself every now and then and still keep a steady pace, it basically boils down to knowing how to organize the priorities . Like the Pentium D and core duo days, where the lower clocked duo pissed all over the higher clocked D series.

 

Then I may have to think about the 3820QM eventually. Maybe mid-august, I'll have a good chance to send my P150EM back to Mythlogic then and I'll be stocking up on all the upgrades I can afford, though 7970m and bigger HDD's are at the top of my list. Although I might just wait for the 3860QM, then I would get a bigger clock speed boost. ~2.9GHz sure sounds appealing...

 

**drool** that 3860Qm is a BEAST!! it kills desktops for breakfast and benchmarks for lunch, your games for dinner it's a 3920Xm without the extra option to overclock unlocked. I'd definitely save my money on that since I live so far away from the states, I'm going to get a quote on how much it would cost to ship over.

 

Nice laptop , i'm wondering how did you customize you windows7? are you using some theme or something ?

 

love this thread, such beautiful pics!

 

Oh, man...put some clothes on that laptop, will ya, children might be browsing here!

 

@amirfoox LOL! I was just reading those lines when my son came in the room

 

3d mark score and game fps please!! Thank you!!

 

here are the scores I did just now --> 3D Mark 11]3D Mark 11

it kind of didn't want to pick up the GTX675m will reconfigure it and rerun for you

 

ok I caught the error, gave me a DXGI internal error, from the looks of it at first glance it's not getting fullscreen attention, might have something to do with the drivers I messed with. here's the error picture for those who might have a clue also .
Modern Warfare 1 in the pic is running in dedicated server mode so it's not using any GFX resources.

 

thanks for your upload, i only got 3337 on GPU score but i have a same GPU Card as you, which driver you use for 3d mark 11

 

ok I found the culprit, I forgot to swap the nvdispco64.dll and nvd3dumx.dll from the new drivers with the pre beta ones. now everything seems stable again, here it is click on the images to get the links to the scores

it's still not up there where I want it, I used to catch around 4317 no bios mods, will re-tweak the drivers yet again when I have the time, I got some render work to do for tonight and tomorrow. the current driver base I'm on is version 9.18.13.448

update #1
went ahead and bumped the clocks with MSI afterburner now the scores are higher yet my temps did move much only ~3 or 4degrees more


Min temps are 42c and Max temps are 85c GPU utilization 99% max

 

Hey everyone, I've now had the laptop for 3 months and thought why not write a small review of my impressions so far.
This review is for those who are still wondering or are looking into buying the P170EM and would like to have the say of someone who's had physical hands on with the machine. I've used AIDA x64 extreme Edition to benchmark the laptop I have, you can see the specs in my signature.

My adventure began when I was looking to replace my aging Core 2 Quad desktop PC with a portable version. I've looked high and low for a laptop that would be able to stay with me through my day and provide me with the necessary tools and muscle power to finish my drafts and deadlines for my clients. One of the first machines that came into my mind was a Dell Precision series notebook but as my office has had enough Dell material I didn't want to go through the headaches of dealing with SH (service hotline) things are hard when you live out of the safe zone. Next on the list was Falcon Northwest and their DTR line of notebooks, again the price was enough to give me a heart attack.

Then I stumbled upon this forum and the Sager/Clevo brand of notebooks, I read the posts, I looked at the sites, and read the reviews. I couldn't believe it at first that such a notebook exists. Not only would the specs be up to me to decide but also the price was in the line of my budget.

I went with Mythlogic as my laptop builder and never looked back, I had to jump a few hurdles to get the laptop here in Madagascar, like find someone who would carry it for me, convert my currency to US $, etc etc, but I was happy I made the move, and my what a feast for the eyes indeed when it came.

So without further ado here are the AIDA benchmarks I have done, mainly on the memory and the processor.
*** if you are using firefox, right click the images and select "view image" to view them in full resolution***

AIDA CPU AES


AIDA CPU Julia


AIDA CPU Mandel


AIDA CPU PhotoWorxx


AIDA CPU Queen


AIDA CPU Sin Julia


AIDA CPU VP8


AIDA CPU Zlib


AIDA Memory Copy


AIDA Memory latency


AIDA Memory read


AIDA Memory write


AIDA Memory info

The charts pretty much speak for themselves, one of the things to note is that the gap between desktop and laptop has completely narrowed down to a hairline if not completely disappeared. Using the laptop with an external monitor along with keyboard and mouse will get you thinking your on a desktop and not a laptop at all.

The 2860QM processor is pretty amazing for a mobile CPU, never had it dropped blow the 3.3Ghz line on all 4 cores when working, the max turbo I've hit with it is 3.5Ghz 4 cores. Only when all my windows are closed down that I had seen it at it's stock 2.5Ghz speed. The fans aren't as loud as they had said them to be, though you will hear it go up once in a while. When concentrated with work I do not hear a thing from the laptop. Nearly all things I've done on my desktop before seems to be accelerated 10 fold on this laptop, it really show how far the mobile platforms have evolved.
Graphics wise, I went with the GTX675m as at the time of buying the laptop that was the GFX available to me and also I wasn't very keen of buying an AMD graphics card due to my work platform that tend to favor nvidia to AMD. Though I never had problems with AMD or their line of GFX cards, I do have to admit that I feel sad to head the various reports of owners about the Enduro and such.
Currently so far, as I have stated in other threads of this forum, the GTX675m is very capable. No noticeable slow downs nor has it froze on me yet. It will please anyone looking to game or finish some work, tough, it may not be as fast as that 7970 or newer 680m, it doesn't mean it's a slow card. Far from that, I personally think it could hold out for another two years or so before really showing it's wrinkles, games above the 1080p res will slow down to about ~14fps, while if you stay within the margin of 1080p you can almost always hit 30+ fps which is more than adequate for playing. Again 7970 and 680 will propel you beyond the 60line but those are different beasts.

the keyboard is smooth and crisp, each keystroke give you a distinct "stchick" sound and it floors, the only drawback I had with the keyboard was my tab key with had a lazy feel to it, after prying it open I found out there was a piece of clear plastic like material reminiscent to those plastic wraps you get from the food store. Once I took that out it was good. The backlit keyboard is wonderful to look at, my primary favorite colours to work with at night are purple, cyan, yellow, the ones that stick out in the daylight are cyan and yellow.

Next up comes the sound, ah yes it does suck at first you think it's an AM radio playback. But don't shy away or chicken out upon hearing that, I didn't mention yet that the nifty little THX tool will change it to crisp and clear listening. upon first usage of the laptop I didn't really think the THX would make much difference to the sound. The feeling you get from it is that the stereo separation is very narrow, meaning you tend to think it's in the middle of you head. The external speaker option will make the separation wider, moving the sound away from the laptop and more into the room. I had found that using a combination of 5.1 settings in windows speaker settings AND using THX's external speaker setup with Subwoofer crossover frequency set to 76Hz will give the most sound volume and texture.

The screen of the laptop is very very good, so good in fact it puts most dubbed "professional" LED screens to shame. The ones I got were the stock Chi Mei Glare Type ones but first glace of the lapop, without even turning it on I had known it was going to be good. Usually as a general rule of thumb when it comes to buying LCD screens it's better to buy the ones that have the most amount of black WHEN not turned on, which basically means the darker the screen the better. This is because the fluid used inside them varies from maker to maker. The more black you see on a powerless screen means the more the screen is able to cancel out the backlighting helping you have more contrast and more depth to the picture. The viewing angles are also very very good, it as advertised 178, the color shift is not noticeable at all and you don't get that nasty washed out or solarized image effect when looking from an angle.

Battery life of the laptop depends heavily on the usage you do to it. I for one do not use it on battery, I prefer the mains most of the time, but I can say that in balanced mode the batteries can hold out a good 4+hours of office use. I benched it while playing back video files and it toped the 3h38minutes line before asking me to input a different power source, phenomenal if you ask me for the size of it. nVidia's Optimus really shines, as I was able to work on 3DS max most of the time I go that 4+ hours of office use, the cpu and gfx cards will half if not fourth their speeds, but this is a tradeoff you will have to live with as it is dangerous to push them full power on batteries.

Lugging around the laptop wasn't as big of a chore as I had imagined, it's hefty but it feels solid. the build quality of the plastics and aluminum are stellar. it wont warp not breath in your hands, even if you excurse some force into it. God forbid those who are willing to drop it though, I haven't and wont try it for the sake of my shy of 3grands budget I slammed into it. The black color shines professionalism and it doesn't hurt your eyes with glare, it silent enough to live in and out of the office going by without raising suspicions like an alienware, or a G series Asus notebook.

Lastly comes the trackpad and the fingerprint reader followed by the camera. Bisoncap, a small tool that came with the laptop lets you test the camera by taking video recordings live. the camera is very sharp and bisoncap picked it up as a FHD cam, letting you snap 1920x1080 videos at full frames without dropouts. If you set the environment right you get instantaneous video no lag, in poorly lit areas the camera still give clean pictures but you get small lag from the cmos needing to capture enough light data to process the image.
The track pad is very smooth, the right side wont let you do much navigating albeit because it has the scroll function on it. Multi finger gestures are supported and in apps like google picasa it will let you zoom slide pan and pinch rotate the image anyway you like.The pad buttons are a little stiff for my liking and they make a pop noise when you click them, a bit annoying if you do a lot of clicking, especially in a library.
The fingerprint reader I did not use at all, though if you do notice a persistent "bad quality" pop up message, it isn't the fault of the biometric reader but instead the drivers, uninstall them and use win7's biometric drivers and inbuilt app instead. Not only will it let you registers your swipes faster but it will not nag you every few minutes. My guess on this biometric sensor is that it's picking up the random lights ways in between your finger while you are using the laptop and mistaking those for swipes, it's sensitive yes, but annoying.

Well that's my review of this laptop for those interested for the price I nabbed it, I did not regret a thing. I'd highly recommend a 170EM to anyone who is looking to buy a good sturdy laptop for everyday use.

 

Great photographs!

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I know right? Love them so much :3

 

Your photos got me through some dark times while my Mythlogic was in build rep +1

 

thanks so much guys. I'm saving up for a 680M for next year hope the prices go down reasonably. I want to bench that card so bad