Has anyone tried the Tesla M6 MXM

So I wanted to know if anyone has ever tried the Tesla M6 MXM in a CLEVO ( any models really ) P*****

The GPU is maxwell GP204

Regards Damin

https://www.techpowerup.com/gpu-specs/tesla-m6.c2818

 

Bump ?

 

I've not seen anything.

 

O yes and this was a complete waist of my time . I'd not bother

 

They are going to be pretty hard to find and drivers could be tricky so sticking to the known cards is probably a better idea.

 

Available in qty here:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/NVidia-Tes...6127-001-GM204-995-A1-805132-B21/283970169668

and ebay seller valmarkelectronics seems to have gotten it to work in various models, as he is offering it as a "m5000m" equivalent.

Link: https://www.ebay.com/usr/valmarkelectronics?_trksid=p2047675.l2559

 

Doubt that it will display anything, its a compute card and most likely needs Optimus to work.

This thread seems to indicate the same:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/graphics-card-upgrade-for-m6800.806352/page-65#post-11046830

 

Ah so as I suspected it might be, it is a hallmark of the Tesla line.

 

His description says they work fine on the internal screen.

As you noted, the systems he sells with them do seem to be all Optimus based systems, but they do not support any type of HDMI, DP out etc... just internal screen support

 

In Optimus systems the internal panels are run by the IGP.

 

I ordered one to test in one of my Rangers. It is waiting at the post office so I should be able to grab it today and test it tonight. Luckily my machines have the 60Hz display with Optimus.

The eBay seller did say it would work before I purchased it but he's back-tracked now and he says it probably won't. I'm assuming that other people he sold them to have had issues.

 

M6 uses the same pcb as the 980m, but there are a bunch of components missing near the mxm connector. Maybe it would work optimus only.

 

Probably the display output support passives.

 

Well no luck on the first attempt. BIOS and Windows didn't pick up the card but it could be a vBIOS issue. Didn't have much time to test it further.

There is a guy selling Dell laptops on eBay with this card so it must be possible.

 

Windows won't recognize the device ID as even being a graphics card. See if it's listed at all in the device manager.

 

Nothing that I can easily recognise as the card. Maybe it is listed as something else under System Devices.


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This is what the guy on eBay says. I can mod GTX drivers easily but this seems a little trickier. The Tesla drivers don’t have the Dell NVDMI inf folder but there must be a way to trick the system



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I wonder if they left VGA in as a debugging tool.

 

Has anyone got it working?
My gpu in Clevo p170em just died and I was looking for a cheap upgrade.
I also wanted to try that card on an Alienware 18 that doesn't have a GPU.
Thanks Guys

 

I don't think you will be able to.

 

I've tried the Tesla in two AW17's now and they won't recongise it. The thought is that the Tesla is missing a vBIOS chip. I believe the compatible systems may have had this chip on the motherboard. I just need to run NVFlash to see if it can see the card. It doesn't look good though.
It's also possible that the Tesla I received is dead.

 

I played around with the card again last night and it definitely has a vBIOS chip. I found a Tesla M6 vBIOS on TPU but NVFlash couldn't detect a display adapter. The card was warming up though.

I'm starting to believe that the card I received is defective but without a known compatible machine to test it on it's hard to know for sure. I'm going to pull my M18x apart and try it in the secondary MXM slot.

 

That will be an interesting test.

 

Any news?

 

I sent the card back to the eBay seller and I'm awaiting my refund. He has since reduced the price of the card down to $75USD and changed the description on the listing. It doesn't look like it will work.

I did throw it in the secondary slot in my M18x with the 1070 in the primary and it just boots to a black screen.

 

Sounds like a picky card then.

 

Very specialised card for the HP blade server. Cost me about $20 in return shipping to the US to test it, just as long as I get my full purchase price refund.

 

I have not tried the M6, but the K40X (Seen on eBay recently) blew out my test rig, they push 12v out on the DDC line someplace, blew out both EDID chips (or whatever they are) on each DP output, and the EDID chip on the VGA line, and melted a pin on the K40X itsself.

Strongly not recommended. Pinout even looked the same - Data pins where data pins should be, grounds where ground should be... But now I have a dead Tesla and a dead MXM riser.

 

MXM makes sense for a high density environment to be fair.

 

It could also need a vBIOS flash but you'd need a programmer as it either doesn't show up in the 17 or causes black screen in the M18x.

There is a guy on eBay who seems to have got them working in Dell laptops but he didn't give me too much info on how to do it.

EDIT: He was selling them as having an M5000M but they were Tesla's (assuming with an M5000M vBIOS)

 

Could be, though what outputs are actually working on the system?

 

HI guys! I've found this info over the internet about M6 Tesla GPU. This cards have 2 modes of work - compute/display. https://docs.nvidia.com/grid/latest/grid-gpumodeswitch-user-guide/index.html
So we need to find out a way to get display mode working.

 

You would need to get that mode switch done, that's assuming the card was made with outputs on it. Maybe via RDP?

 

HI! But most of the mxm gpus are made without outputs.

 

Well this is it, you can't enable what is not there.

 

I mean that most of the mxm gpus don't have outputs. For example 8970m doesn't have outputs but works well in any Alienware.

 

It does have outputs just not with an HDMI port on the card itself, the signals are still going out on the MXM connector and are wired for that.

 

Installing the Tesla M6 into the Dell Precision Series (M6700-6800), Updating and working in switchable graphics mode on Windows 10.

I've noticed this particular curiosity across a few boards, so I thought I'd enroll and do a little testing with my M6, on the Precision 6800. This was a upgrade for me, on a budget, from a fantastic little Firepro 6100M, which a lot of people are curious about. If someone needs a guide regarding the Firepro 6100M with switchable working and updated, let me know. luckily they are a fair bit easier to install and get updated with switchable graphics enabled.

With a entire day of trial and error, and attempting to make a layman workaround that's easy to follow, I can report back back that I have the Tesla M6 working, correctly updated, and with both switchable graphics, and with the option of being in either compute, or graphics mode.

We'll need a few small, free programs or similar, easily found on google (NVCleanstall, DD Uninstaller, and IObit Driver Updater)

1) Grab the "Support Assist" from Dell's home site, under drivers, for your model (M6600-6800), install. (Small, helps identify your actual make, and exact components)
2) Run Support Assist, and install your official Dell drivers, main focus here are chipset/wmi and Intel HD 4600 drivers. (Will correctly handle graphics, while we install the Tesla M6)
4) Let's check out Windows Update, and grab any optional updates for identified components you might need.
3) Run DD Uninstaller, and completely remove whatever GPU your model has, that your wanting to replace, and shutdown. (NVIDIA, AMD, We want to leave the updated INTEL drivers)
4) Battery out, laptop apart, install your new graphics card. (The Tesla's form factor fit's the original NVIDIA heatsink well enough, I do suggest adjust thermal pad thicknesses) (0.5/1.0/1.5mm)
5) Cranking up the laptop, and back into Windows 10, device driver should now should our 4600 HD GPU, as well now as "Standard Microsoft Display Adapter". (Normal, no worries)
6) Now, because later we'll need part of the components, let's crank up IOBit driver updater, and mainly focus on updating the display adapter, as well as any others you want. (One from "2015")
7) Reboot. Now heading into Device Manager, should show our updated Intel 4600 drivers, as well as.....wait for it......Tesla M6! (Congrats, now a working, switchable, graphics/compute mode Tesla M6)

This will safely, and fairly straightforwardly, get you installed and setup with the "old" Tesla driver, working, with switchable graphics via the NVIDIA panel, and both easily select-able compute/display modes!
Now, moving forward to update this card, unfortunately, isn't as forward. I'll repost with correctly installing the newer driver updates.

 

At this point, we've got a working Tesla in Win10 on the M6800. Sadly, this is where things get a bit more problematic.

Essentially, we have a GPU in laptop, that it was never intended to be inside. As such, NVIDIA had no need to include it in proper installer .inf's for laptops it wasn't officially supported in, and Windows update can't readily identify it and update. Luckily IOBit has an ancient one on their server. Unfortunately, it's the only one, and it's 5 years old .

1) Let's start by typing "gpedit.msc" in our search bar. In policy editor, find user configuration > administrative templates > system > driver installation > double click "code signing for device drivers".
2) In the policy editor, code signing for device drivers, on the top left, click enabled. Below it, "When Windows detects a device driver without a signature", click ignore. Hit apply, and dip out like a boss.
2) Now we need NVCleanstall that we got earlier in the first post. Let's install it, and run. It's also going to have no suggestions for driver updates, instead, let's click on manual download, show all.
3) After a few moment's, it will update, and the line above it will say "Install best driver for my hardware". This is the option we want (DCH 460.89 in my case, yours too prob, mobile/64-bit). Click Next.
4) NVCleanstall will now give you a list of broken down optionals in the driver package, the main ones being PhysX, Optimus, and the Graphic Driver. If you want to be safe, check all to include. Hit Next.
5) Now, NVCleanstall will build the driver package with only the options you want (takes a minute, depending on size). In the next field, enable "install NVIDIA Control Panel" and "Add Hardware Support".
---NVCleanstall will now NVIDIA app, on top of, ours already installed from IOBit, actually enabling original options from Tesla (graphics and compute mode), while enabling the new driver ones as well.
6) With hardware support enabled, click on template, and scroll to Quadro M5000M, and click/enable it. On the "ID" line, fill in our 4 digit HWID number (13F3), and new device name below (Tesla M6).
---Quite a few listings of Quadro M5000M will be located in the installer, no worries, these are just different PC brands (Acer/HP/Dell). NVCleanstall will now replace our Tesla Identifier number with the ---aforementioned, which the NVIDIA driver installer can now recognize, and proceed to installing correctly.
7) The build process can be quite lengthy. After completed, Click "Show in Folder", and copy your new, custom Telsa M6 drivers to a safe spot, or, adversely you can begin installation.

***Now you should have a updated, Tesla M6 with 2020 drives, and legacy graphic options (compute/graphics), as well as all the 3D settings available inside the NVIDIA control panel***

 

Happy New Years you guys, and apologies for busting in the Clevo thread. Sadly, I only noticed this earlier today in the middle of playtesting/stress-testing the Tesla M6. I've moved the top over to Dell, and in the Precision Categories, but feel free to shoot me a message regarding them if needed. Unfortunately, due to where I stay (Dauphin Island, AL), we have rather poor connection speeds on this island, and I'm unable without waiting a day, to upload the prepped and cleaned 500+mb Tesla prepped driver install package for the latest release (however, should be useful on modding any .inf files needed for Clevo)! Hope it helps, as I've seen this asked in quite a few forums, and decided to register to help on the topic.

 

thanks for the work you've done. I tried to run tesla m6 on clevo p770zm, but could not. I tried BIOS firmware from gtx980m and from m5000m, but no success. Maybe you can help me. I am looking for a tesla m6 bios with graphic mode enabled.
PS. The bios from tesla m6 is larger than the bios m5000m, maybe one half under compute mode, and the other under graphic mod. BIOS chips are also different, 256kB and 512kB. To flash the BIOS on the tesla m6, I had to solder the native bios chip and install the sop-8 chip.

 

Nice laptop! It give you the dreaded blank screen of death? Sure thing, as I'm curious myself and haven't yet tried installing the Tesla into my 8770w/8760w. I'll see if i can make some time this week to look at the BIOS packages and the drivers, maybe there is some magic to be worked there. I've had success as well with the GTX980, and 880, however did get the blank screen on attempting the Firepro 6100M (Also ofc, required a heat-sink replacement to accommodate type B, originally shipped the the Radeon 5950). I remember having some success getting it installed finally, with rewriting both the driver files, and force-installing it before actual physically installing the card. HP's are far more picky regarding whitelists though, than most I've played around with.

Reminds me though, and weirdly, after pulling apart driver packages to make the guide for installing to the Precisions, all the updated and available official NVIDIA drivers for Tesla, actually did not have the graphics/compute option enabled. I found that a little weird, considering the 2015 drivers did by default, install that option. The Quadro line of drivers would have worked, however they too lacked the 3D options from the GTX line of cards. Long story short, I ended up modifying the GTX drivers, and installing them on top of the graphic/computer driver from 2015, basically enabling both the graphic/compute option, as well as all the 3D settings from the GTX line for the Tesla.

 

I'm actually willing to buy Tesla M6 to test on my P150EM. I know I'll have a lot of issues to make it work, but for $99 and as powerful as a desktop 970? It's a bargain!

In the worst case scenario, it will be an adventure.

 

Six months ago, I tried to put tesla m6 in hp 8740w, but there was no success. the bios on tesla was native. I have not tested it with other bios.

 

Good news there, getting a pretty solid base experience closer to the bare metal 1080 from mine atm, but haven't had time to test thoroughly, just fling a few games at it between work hours this week. Nothing I've thrown at it so far (Witcher 3, No Mans Sky, Borderlands 3, ect) has any issue playing smoothly at 30fps in the highest graphics mode selection. Quite the little beast for the buck!

 

That's pretty cool.

 

Tbh, I was kinda expecting more, but... with "highest" you mean, Ultra, hairworks activated (Witcher 3), 1080p and stuff? If so, ok, that is kinda impressive.

You needed to change drivers, right? Which lines (and files) did you have to change? I know it's not going to be the same for clevos, but at least it could be a start.

 

Hey all, reporting back in (apologies, tied up lately with work, and move to the UK)

I'm happy to report, between 19 driver package files, and multiple reiterations between the maxwell 204 cards, I think I've narrowed down the most stable, best performing drivers setup for the M6 on Precision laptops. DCH, 460 line (as of 1/19/2021). In a nutshell, the DCH drives proved to cause MUCH less issue, however (and admittedly) there were major issues regarding windows 10, and pro edition on driver signature verification. After bypassing that, I'm happy to report back the following, through forceful install of the 460 drivers DCH (2020).

Games tested : (Precision 6800, I7 M4712Q, 32GB ram, Tesla M6)
Gaming benchmarks - with 30, and 1080p (basically, fluid game-play throughout)

Witcher 3 = 45=70fps, highest settings
Borderlands 3 = 55-70fps, highest settings
Monter Hunter World, Iceboune =highest settings, 43fps-115fps
City Skylines & all packs, highest settings= 51-91fps
Batman Arkham City highest settings= 71-133fps
Fallout 4 highest settings= 48-83fps
Rebel Galaxy 2 highest settings, = 71-88fps
No Mans Sky, highest settings, latest update = 46-81fps
DQB2, highest settings, latest update = 89-181fps
Skyrim LE highest settings = 49-115fps
Red Dead Redemption 2, highest settings, = 26-106fps
Assassin's creed "Black Flag, Origins", highest settings, = 49-201fps

Saw you! Understood, you were thinking Cyberpunk 2077. Welp, sadly this card.....Just kidding, this card absolutely plays @ 30fps on the ultra settings, fluid and enjoyable.

Highly suggested, for the model, to switch to. Apologies for being overburdened, but I'll get you a Clevo driver package that works, give me one week.

 

Further investigation : Dell M6600

The 6600's work just fine with this setup, although admittedly, not the shortest answer. The answer was writing around the BIOS, basically tricking the system into supporting a actual card, vs. a written one. My 6600, is working without issue, pulling 30fps in ARK (The mother of all bad coding), on the 460 drivers. The edits were required, down to the NVNDMI.inf drivers, but supported it completely thereafter. However, a throwback, WHQL drivers were suspect, and non-viable toward the end. I've now tested my 6600, supporting output to a 1080p monitor, with minimal issue. I will investigate further regarding onboard CPU and DGPU, but as of now, has no issues.

 

Those are really good results! I'm impressed what you could do with a $99 laptop card.

And thank you! I'll be waiting