Help choosing between NP5797 vs NP8662

For the last couple of months, I've been researching for a laptop to buy for heading into college. Im now down to two Sager models, NP5797 and NP8662

I will be dorming and I will mostly be using my laptop within my dorm i believe. I know there will be times when I will be taking the laptop out to class or my friends dorm.

Now for the last two weeks, ive been leaning towards the NP8662 because of the portability compared to the NP5797 but now i've started thinking that wont be of an issue that much. Im a big guy so i can bear caring around 1 more pound.

Also i heard that the NP5797 has more upgradable choices in the future? and that NP8662 can heat up?

Can anyone give me any valid reasons to choose one over the other? Any help will be appreciated

 

Be aware future upgrades means that any upgrades are within this current generation. New cards and processors coming out later this year / early next year will be incompatible. 8662 can stomach a 280M just as well as the 5797 but isn't really designed for it -- you'll be modding the thing yourself to cram in the card. Personally I'd get the 8662 with a few upgrades since 17" is a bit awkward for me to be toting around regardless of the weight.

 

If I get the NP8662 I probably wouldn't be looking to swap the GPU. I'm more concerned about the processor because ill be buying the stock processor atm and I want to upgrade to a quad in the future. I heard that NP8662 can only take Q9000? or Q9100? and it gets pretty hot.

I can see how the 17'' can be a bit awkward but i wouldn't be carrying it around a lot. Also I'm reconsidering the 17'' again because i thought it would be better for watching movies

 

The 8662 can take a QX9300. You can find quite a few people who have done it on this forum, and it definitely stays within acceptable bounds in terms of heat AFAIK.

 

good to know that it can take a QX9300

 

The NP8662 can "take" the QX9300 or 280M, but the combo is thermally brutal on the chassis. My NP5797 however handles it fine, with the QX9300 @2.93Ghz topping 73C in Wprime and stock voltage 280M @600/1500/950 topping 81C in OCCT.

 

5482741 post QX9300/280M temps in an M860 being around 90.C in load. I wanted to post the links (with pics) but can't find it at the moment.

Q to everyone - would it be more efficient to just OC a 260M to 280M levels in a M860 to achieve similar effects?

 

depends. The np5797 at this stage comes as a 280m / WUXGA screen size, whereas the np8662 comes at a 260m / WSXGA size standard. When you take away the extra few hundred thousand pixels, the difference in what the 2 can do becomes much smaller. The smaller GPU has less pixels to run when hooked to a WSXGA screen and can then get closer to the WUXGA / 280m in terms of framerates during games. As far as the qx9300 goes, it's a hot CPU, but what do you need the qx for, and can you stomach using chinese ebay sites? I love my np8662 with its P9700. Runs cool, can get 3 hrs of battery in powersaver, and is somewhat portable. It also makes people go when they see it's a 15" laptop keeping up with most desktops. I'd like to see 5482741's pics as well to see what he's getting with his mini 5797.

 

NP5797 starts with a WSXGA screen as well, it's what I chose. I wouldn't choose WUXGA unless I was a photoshop user.

 

If the cost and portability aren't issues, take 5797.

 

Bingo!

For anyone who want to see those M860 Temps w/ QX9300/280M by 5482741, they're about half-way down the page. Knew it couldn't be far away as I had only seen them today...

 

How does the QX9300 fair with OCCT-CPU?

 

No mods are necessary to use a 280M in this chassis.

 

really. Well that's even better. I thought I remembered there being talk that a 280M required cobbling a part or two. Thanks for the correction.

 

The np8660 (m860tu mark I) had the 9800M GT in it. This had a smaller heatsink than the np8662 (m860tu Mark II) due to it not having a "GTX" class heatsink. with the old np8660, you had to remove the heatsink AND the card. The np8662, with the newer design for the gtx 260m can swallow a GTX 280m without fail. You may have to be careful though about heat, but it is doable.

NP8660: 9800m GTS / GT: needs a bigger heatsink and a later BIOS
NP8662: GTX 260m: can swallow a GTX 280m so long as you have the latest BIOS and appropriate cooling provisions.

Jason

 

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Hmm if i choose the NP8662, I would probably upgrade to Q9100 because i don't like my laptop heating up.

Also, how upgradable are the GPU in both systems? Would i have to do something with the motherboard for the next gen?

 

The GTX 260M and GTX 280M are the last upgrades for this notebook. There is no future beyond these cards.

The W860CU is the future of Clevo's 15" technocracy.

 

the q9100 will make a good bit of heat, too much for clevo / sager to be comfy with, which is why it's not offered by resellers who are authorized as resellers by sager. To reduce heat, go with a q9000 or a p9700. I have the P9700 and I love it to pieces. Low energy, cool running, and gets about 3 hrs in powersaver with the screen on 20% bright.

You can also upgrade the 260m to a 280m, but you'll also introduce more heat into a small formfactor. This one though shouldn't put as much heat out as say a q9100 or qx9300 that several have put in as aftermarket.

Jason

 

Thanks for the info

So my next question would be would the GTX260M and GTX280M still be viable cards in 3-4 years in the future to play high end games?

 

It will be able to play high end games, but definitely not at their maxed out settings. I would be impressed if any single graphic card out now could play high end games at near max settings in 3-4 years.

Most games will be in DX11, taking advantage of Quad core and dual SLI.

Expect medium settings in 3-4 years. I think its safe to say for the next 1-2 years the GTX260M and 280M will do great.

 

In 4 years, the 260M will be equal to an integrated part. Maybe. Possibly.

 

If your not worried about carrying it around i would go with the np5797. No modding needed means less worries.

 

I just ordered my NP8662 today. However, to be honest, I am still debating whether I made a right choice. From what I understand, the NP5797 is for sure more powerful and could have more options to upgrade later in terms of processors. It has 2 fans so it has better cooling system but I heard that it could be loud sometimes. I am not sure about NP8662, could anyone please advise me on whether or not NP8662 have some heat and noise issues?

The NP5797 has a full size keyboard, which is a plus if your works deal with numbers. The NP5797 has a better graphic card, only about 10% better, but it could cost about $300-$400 more depended on your customization . To me, I am not sure if this is worth the investment since I am not really a hardcore gamers. In addition to that, the size is a little big for me. I never owned a 17'' laptop before so I could not tell for sure but it seems to me that it would be stayed at home for most of the times. In my opinion, it seems a little awkward to bring it around and I hardly meet anyone bring his or her 17'' laptop to schools or to library.

The NP5797 weights about 1.2lbs more, which I am not sure if it plays a significant role when taking mobility into consideration. I would love to hear some comments about yous guys on this topic. I don't bring my laptop outside of home really often but somehow I find myself trapped in the following philosophy, which basically says that a laptop should have some level of mobility. I don't have the NP8662 yet so I could not tell, but it would be nice to hear someone who often bring theirs outside with them make some comments on this.

I already ordered my NP8662, so there would be no turning back for me at this point in time. However, the NP5707 still sticks in my head with more options for processor upgrading, the better cooling system, and the full size keyboard. You could find me weird or something but still I am not sure whether I made a right move. Therefore, I would love to hear more from you guys.

PS: As I mentioned earlier, I don't have any experience with NP8662 and MP5797 yet so you could find many things that I said above are wrong. Please correct me if it happens.

 

look at it this way.... you have a full 30-day satisfaction guarantee through Sager.

so if you do not like it, you can exchange it.

make sure to not activate any of the software if you are planning to do this... since activated software (like Windows) will not be refunded.

 

Gophn,

Thanks so much for helping me with my so many questions. I have to go home for good, therefore it will be hard for me to return it. That's the main reason why I am still thinking about it. Also, since my order on Xoticpc just passed phrase 2 this evening, do you know whether it's possible to cancel it if I make up my mind later?

 

minihiub, that is exactly my dilemma. On one side NP8662 has bit more portability, smaller size and is cheaper and NP5797 has a full size keyboard, better cooling system, a better GPU, and can take higher quad core. It seems like the NP5797 is bit more future proof. I've been debating this for like 2 months and im still about right in the middle.

minihiub, as long as Xoticpc havent shipped it yet, i believe you can cancel your order.