Help me decide please!

Alright, I have finally narrowed down to two models.
Toshiba p105 9337 or sager 5760. As you can see my budget is around 2 grands. I have a couple of questions for sager 5760.
1. I noticed that many of the retailing websites have dead pixel guranteed option, which strikes me odd, since I wouldn't want any dead pixel in the first place, and why do I need to pay 200 dollars for that? So how often do you receive sager 5760 with a dead pixel??

2. How bad is the overheating with 9750gtx? this might be a deciding factor for me since p105 and 5760 goes head to head except for the graphic card. Is the 9750gtx identical to its desktop counterpart? How bad is over heating on 5760?? and p105??? I assume 9750gtx gets much hotter than 9700gs, how are they compared in performance wise?

3. And how soon will we be able to see the high end of the new 8 series geforce in laptops? what would be the price? If its coulple of months then I'm willing to wait but i'm afraid that it won't fit my budget. And what are some new features on dx10?? Is the new santa rosa worth waiting for?

4. How is the build quality compared between these two laptops?

I know I have too many damn questions, but as all of you guys know buying 2000 dollar laptop is very big decision.

 

Companies do their best [specially ASUS and Sager] to provide the LCD screens in the best way possible, but just in case that a damaged screen is delivered,there is a screen warranty for dead pixels and such.

it's 7900 and 7950
You can see the difference in power here.
And you can compare the power consumption in the "GPU power consumption guide" in my signature.

It seems that they will be delayed, due to power consumption problem.And there will be no G80 (a.k.a 8800) for laptops but a newer core called G81 (8900?)(I don't know the release times).

The Sager is waaaaaay better.They do not compare...

 

1) Its pretty RARE for a dead pixel to happen, since the reseller would check the system before even shipping it out. In the unlikelihood that a dead pixel occurring during transit, the resellers usually would replace the unit immediately if you contact them. So no need to waste money on the dead pixel guarantee.
read this thread:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=62496

2) Actually the 7950GTX runs quite cool compared to the previous 7800GTX in the Clevo notebooks. The Clevo M570U is VERY well designed to prevent overheating, especially if you use the Clevo Fan Speed Toggle (Fn+F2) during gaming sessions to turn to the fans to Max Speed. The mobile 7950GTX is clocked a little slower than the desktop counterpart for power saving and heat prevention. The heat should not be determined by just the type of GPU, it should be determine by which notebook that it [the GPU] is placed in. The 7900GS has overheated from what I have seen within some Dell e1705... mainly from people overclocking and NOT knowing that the fans wont go to max speed unless if they hack it. You can read the reviews for this notebook, there has yet to be any overheating issues for the Clevo M570U.

3) This summer is when Clevo is speculating nVidia to have the 8800 Go's (or another high-end 8x00) ready since they have already showcased their new DX10-ready notebooks [the D900C and M570RU w/ Santa Rosa]... but the price should be significantly more since you will be paying the premium for next-gen technology.

4) Many people will never get to see a Clevo in person, but when they do... they usually marvel on the build quality and design. All of the Clevo notebooks that I have worked with [built and seen] were all solid.

Hope this helps.
-Gophn

 

so is santa rosa worth waiting? lol i'm pretty much sold to clevo right as of now i can care less about 8 series since i know what 7950gtx is capable of. does anybody know how santa rosa performs against the current processor? i would like to see some figures before I pull a trigger on 5760, but i'm afraid when santa rosa and 8 series comes out they will discontinue them due to remodelling.

 

we were going over this here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=114777

I personally do not feel that the new Centrino Pro [M570RU w/ Santa Rosa] should warrant you to wait... the performance and power management is probably improved, but I would not believe it to be very significant... its probably marginal at best. And the current M570U seems to have a bit more features [mainly the Audio DJ front panel].

 

I was having a tough time deciding on a laptop also.

I came very close to ordering a Clevo from RJ Tech but a few things kept me from buying the 570U.

The Clevo still uses the PCMCIA port not the new Express card port which I plan use with a SATAII Express card. It is not available with a docking port either. I also wanted the 2.33GHz Core Duo “G” with the unlocked multiplier which is unfortunately a Dell only option.

I ended up getting a XPS 1710 with a 160GB / 7200rpm drive, 2.33GHz (T7600G) CPU, Go 7950 and 2GB 667MHz memory for a little more than what I would have paid for the Clevo through a distributor.

What the Dell has that I don’t need is the useless XPS garb that they plaster all over the laptop which for me was where the Clevo shines. The childish lights can be turned off completely on the Dell in BIOS.

If you don’t need the above mentioned options then I would say the Clevo is a very good choice from what I have read. This forum has been very helpful and is very good place to start your laptop research.

 

The Clevo M570U has ExpressCard Slot, NOT PCMCIA.

The 160gb 7200rpm will be available very soon for everyone, just Dell got the exclusive first batches.

 

When you look at the pictures of the M570U on the site it even clearly says PCMCIA slot (3).

http://www.rjtech.com/m570p.htm

When you down at the specs on the M570U it says “1 Express Card 54 Slot”.

http://www.rjtech.com/m570u.htm

Looks like the photo gallery was never updated.

 

Well the pics on the Sager website are ok so probably rjtech is using a pic that had mistakes from the start.

The 570 never had a PCMCIA slot. It was build pci express from scratch.

And honestly the Express card slot is sometimes a PITA because there are still not a lot of accessories supporting it. It's still mainly PCMCIA. Though the Targus docking station to come is quite amazing...

 

Read these specs (from Powernotebooks):
http://powernotebooks.com/specs/Sager/5760specs.php

Its accurate, as direct from Sager (a huge Clevo distributor).

It [as well as other resellers in the Clevo Guide] states that there is 1 ExpessCard 54 Slot.

 

This is what I plan to experiment with right off the bat –

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...2030260421+1208420269&name=SATAII+ExpressCard

A couple of Western Digital Raptors connected to one of these cards should prove interesting.

 

Okay. I have a M570U.
Just to confirm. It does have an express slot. I've used a verizon express card with it. But oddly the slot seems large enough to put a pcmcia card in there too, just never tried it.

I think the 570 is totally better than the dell because of the numeric keypad. I have a pet peeve when typing numbers using the 1-0 numbers above the keyboard.
but that's just me.

 

I usually use an external keyboard and mouse so the missing number pad doesn’t bother me.

Like I said earlier if the Clevo had the same amount of USB ports, the docking station capability and the unlocked 2.33GHz CPU, I probably would not have gone with the Dell.

In this case because of the distributor I went through I did get more for my money with the Dell.

 

well dell is all over the world.. for example if something goes bad, you can take it to your local dell seller to repair it, but if something happens to sager(i am learning that they stop working normal really fast) you need to ship with your money to far away country and risk even that shipment neve gets to them lol

 

there are Clevo resellers all over the world. So when you purchase your notebook, you should try and choose a vendor that is near.... or import it from a vendor that covers international warranty.

I always recommend to contact any vendor (email or phone) directly that you might be interested in to get questions answered (about warranty, shipping, etc..)