Help me justify +365 for the 9800m GTX

I'm interested in the card but its a heck of a lot of money to upgrade to. Is it really worth it? I know that we don't have much news but can we scrape together what we do know? Maybe Donald and Justin can help out here too? I hear that the 1024mb will help with higher resolutions. is this true and to what degree?
Thanks everyone.

 

Depends if $365 is a lot of money to you or not...?! If it's not, do it. If it is, don't do it. If it's somewhere in between, only you can be the judge of that. Is it going to annoy you for the next 2 years if you don't have the best video card - are you going to regret it, versus what else you might have done with $365...?

Petrov.

 

well I'm a student always in need of extra cash but at the same time I do want the notebook to last me. If I don't buy it I know i'll still have a good card but It just won't have the longevity that the 9800m GTX would.

 

You can always upgrade later

 

why don't you just upgrade it later when you :need: it?

 

I whole-heartedly concur with DROT - that's the beauty of these Clevos; if you know that Card A and Card B are supported by the system, and Card A is $400 cheaper than Card B, if you cannot afford Card B at the moment, all is not lost because, at a later date, when both (i) you have more $$ and (ii) the price of Card B may have come down a bit, you can always buy Card B at that later date, swap it in, and then see what you can get for a used Card A on eBay or Craigslist.

 

Wow man you already have an 8800m gtx. I honestly cant imagine why you would want to spend 365$ for about a 10% performance difference. I think some of you guys are addicted to upgrading.

Keep what you have for a couple of years, then sell your current notebook and use that to help purchase a newer machine.

 

no, naticus, that was with the pre-order. I just haven't updated it yet. I still have to decide whether to stay with 9800GT or go bold with 9800 GTX (all mobile of course). So does the extra memory help with high resolution though? I do take all your advice as very important. but just wan't to know what kind of performance gains we'll see.

 

I would rest easy about getting the 9800m GT and then a better card in future, but what of the statement in Justin's news post that the 9800m GTX may require a motherboard revision update...? How much might that complicate things?

Edit: my bad, upon rereading I see that statement was made with regards to the NP9262. I'm guessing it doesn't apply to the NP5796.

 

Anybody know the fab process for the 9800M GTX? I'm guessing its 55nm, due to its august release.

 

Yes, it's 55nm.

 

yeah me too i hope the wait for 9800 GTX is worth it, or lets say 9800 GTX in SLI....
I am hoping soon they at least let us know when they expect it to be offered in the SLI mode, still swinging between waiting or just ordering the 9800 GTX and be happy with it

 

Guys hold it. I have posted all over these forums that in the 570-TU model the 9800 GT is the 8800 GTX... it is simply re-branded.

I have been told that the GTX is nothing more than a 512 MB upgrade bringing it to 1 GB. I have asked over and over and been told over and over the same thing. I have provided pictures of the 9800GT taken apart and serial numbers that were marked 8800 GTX.

Maybe this thread is a better place to do that...




Upgrading an 8800 GTX or 9800 GT to the 9800 GTX is the worst possible investment you can make at $300 plus.

 

Before we make any judgments or insinuations on what the 9800GTX is capable of, why dont we wait for benchmarks to come out. There is very little confirmed info out right now. Information based on "what I have been told" will likely change before release. The bottomline is no one knows what the 9800M GTX will be able to do and if it is worth a upgrade.

 

ok, let me get this straight, and i thank in advance for trying to expose the truth to us.
But are u saying the specs of the 9800 GTX are not accurate when they state that the 9800 GTX has 16 extra shaders, ( http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/nvidia-geforce-9700m-9800m-gtx-specs-revealed-45959/)
and if it the same re-branded card why the delay to offer in SLI?

 

I am saying that I can guaranty that the 9800 GT is an 8800 GTX that has been re branded in the 570TU chassis. The pictures above prove it. The distributor for this chassis told me that the 9800 GTX is the exact same card with 1 GB of RAM. That is what I am telling you.

I don't want to mislead customers, I certainly don't want to rip anyone off. I have absolutely no reason to make this up. Now the distributor could be wrong, granted, but if the 9800 GT is nothing different, it makes sense. This isn't about nVidia and what they are saying a 9800 GTX is, this is about what is in this chassis.

 

wow.... well not sure what to say about that one.. i was told the same thing though by another source as well about the 9800gtx being the 8800gtx with an added 512mb.. i will not pass judgement yet though on how it will perform but i cant see a huge increase from the added 512.. and the source could have been wrong..

 

What's disturbing to me Grand Master Shake is why NO ONE ELSE TOLD YOU GUYS THIS! In fact, they have you running around for thirty pages of posts in other threads doing benchmarks and wording posts that there isn't a substantial difference in performance between the 8800 GTX and 9800 GT... yea no kidding because THERE IS NO DIFFERENCE.

 

The 9800mgt is a 8800m gtx not sure why there is still confusion on that, its been known for a while now. As for the 9800m gtx I've heard the same rumor thats its just a extra 512mb of ram, but that would mean the specs on nvidias website are wrong again which is possible since they messed up the 9800m gts specs for so long.

 

oh snap. cat's out of the bag.

 

Don't know what all the fuss is about with the 8800M GTX vs 9800M GT... every major hardware manufacturer rebrands older products to match newer ones to keep sales up. I thought everyone was aware that the 9800M GT was just rebranded. It will have a newer vBIOS and will support physX out of the box, so there are a few differences for ya.

The 9800M GTX has 512MB extra (1GB) and 112 shader processors versus 96 for the 8800M GTX. Theoretical processing of 420 Gflps vs 360Gflp, physX out of the box, the very high likelihood of it being 55nm, which would mean less power, less heat, and better overclocking. And if the vBIOS is more efficiently coded, we'll see benefits there too.

 

The distributor for this chassis told me that the 9800 GTX is the exact same card with 1 GB of RAM.

9800 GT

Hybrid SLI Technology: X
Blu-Ray BD Live Support: X
Vista Premium Support: X
Processor Cores: 96
Gigaflops: 360
VRAM: 512 MB
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800m_gt.html


9800 GTX

Hybrid SLI Technology: X
Blu-Ray BD Live Support: X
Vista Premium Support: X
Processor Cores: 112
Gigaflops: 420
VRAM: 1 GB
http://www.nvidia.com/object/geforce_9800m_gtx.html


I'm not saying you're wrong, but it looks like there are more than just an increase in VRAM. There are 16 more processor cores and it can perform 80 more gigaflops.

 

Oh the confusion ..... maybe we should send an email to Nvidia asking about this

 

Nvidia wouldn't give you a answer, or at least any information worth mentioning.

baconcow, I'll point out that the 9800 GT was originally slated to have 64 cores on Nvidia's website, leading to a massive brouhaha among users. In the end, Nvidia updated it to 96 SPs.

Nvidia might pull the very same for the 9800M GTX.

 

can they do that? at least they have to drop the price..... i am guessing that in a week max we should know... i see many websites offering the 9800 M GTX in the configuration with delivery time 1 to 2 weeks....

 

sure they can, they can do whatever they want...unfortunatly why would they have to drop the price if in fact the card is a 8800gtx it has an extra 512mb on it so i guess that is they feel you are paying for

 

yeah i mean for sure nothing against anyone and i have ordered and went with justin before so i def dont mean anything by any of this. maybe they were unaware or maybe they were asked not to say anything by nvidia or sager.. hard to say. but the person i have talked with is pretty safe / reliable for info and had honestly never steered me wrong or told me wrong "rumors" before so i have to tend to believe them. and i for sure will be the first to admit they were wrong if this ends up not being true, but they said the same to me. i was told they spoke directly with someone who has actually tested the card from overseas (i do not know who the person overseas is myself) but they were told after the card was dissasembled the same as you found there was a 8800gtx sticker on the card. that is all i can find out for now..as they dont know any more. again this could be wrong and ill admit that is it is..i just cant see the extra 512mb making all that much difference but who knows? and nvidia i thought said the new 9800gtx was based on the smaller die size so maybe the samples sent out for testing were not what is going out to retail.. again i dont know

 

Either way, the GTX will be better than the GT, and thus worth the extra $400.

 

imo no ^^^ if the card is really the same then to me 400$ is def not worth the extra 400$ not a chance so we have to wait and see. imo i would not buy a 9800gtx yet without seeing what it really is when they come out

 

Oh, and with regards to the OP's question, I don't see a point in you having to scrounge up the extra money for a GTX. To me, it's not so much the issue of performance as it is the fact that you're already somewhat stretching your funds to get the NP8660TU.

Like several users suggested, I would go for the GT, and see if you'll need an upgrade in the future.

emikepo, it's being pointed out that the GTX might not be very much different from the GT. We don't know for sure which side is right, but to say it's worth $400 right off the bat and that it's better is rather misleading.

 

i agree totally

 

well we do know it will be better. That is obvious.

 

So here is the truth:

1. The GTX is NOT the 8800M GTX/9800M GT with just an extra 512MB.

2. In no way would just adding an extra 512MB provide the extra performance that you will find once the GTX comes out.

 

How about some benchmarks so the OP can make up his mind if its worth the cost

 

^^ The 9800M GTX is not out anywhere. How can we provide benches on a card that isnt out?

BTW, thanks Donald for adding the clarification to the misinformation quoted earlier. It is a different core.

 

both GT and GTX are too slow for crysis and too fast for anything else.

 

You just stated that no benchmarks are available as it's not released, that's certainly true. And yet, we are getting claims of it being both better or equal to the 9800M GT.

My point is none of us(general public) know for sure, either side could be right and insisting on one's view is just going to wind up with someone getting egg all over their faces.

Now, you guys may be privy to information that you are unable or unwilling to disclose, and that is certainly fair, however, to state that you're right and others are wrong and maintain that "truth will out" without providing results isn't very fair, no matter how nicely you put it.

 

Ding ding we have a winner!!!!

 

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Here's the translated page.
http://64.233.179.104/translate_c?h...41.htm&usg=ALkJrhjb6nwFl6ANSzUiPA2xH1yB8cCdUQ

It's not exactly perfect grammatically, but you'll get the message.

 

Disagree. Unless running at full resolution and AA on. I ran 1280x800 with the 8800M GTX OC'd all very high (ultra high mod) at 25-35fps.

Outside that though, the 9800M GT will have the G94 core, and the GTX will have the G92. Billion bilinear texel/s of 28 vs 24, and the extra 16 spu's which will be very handy running physx apps.

By hardware specs alone, the GTX is far better than the GT. To say it wouldn't be would be ignorant.

 

http://www.sagernotebook.com/product_customed.php?pid=29175&action=customize
on Sager Website the 9800GTX ETA is 22 August. If anybody in here can give me an ETA on the GTX SLI, I will buy them a 6 pack!!! and thats the starting bid . I really need to know this, its almost a matter of live and death to me right now

 

LOL I meant with max setting + WUXGA in each games.

 

I am able and willing to disclose that the nVIDIA GeForce 9800M GTX is a different card than the 9800M GT with a different core.

The exact specifications will be released by nVIDIA when they are ready, which will be shortly, and once it is working in a production model benchmarks will become available.

 

Ok. How about August 20th? It's all yours, no-one else seems to have taken it!

 

I`m guessing 600/1500/900 , 128SPs(ha, I`d wish) or 112SP(most likely).
365$ worth it? Only your need for power can answer that.
I wouldn`t get it.

 

ok sir, but to complete our transaction I will need some proof

 

makes 2 of us, ill buy u crysis 2 when its out

 

Wow if the 9800gtx is just a 9800gt with double ram many people are going to be cheesed.

 

^^^don't forget 112SPs