Hey guys, new here, need help.

Ok so before i make the executive decisioni have some questions. Kinda back n forth w/ the NP5793, and the NP8660. I like the np8660 more because i could go up to 2.8ghz when the NP5793 can't. but wen it says (user upgradable) for the graphics card, i was wondering if i could possibly upgrade the GTS to a GTX 9800 or 8800, cus im not sure where to get one, or how much better then it is.
And for the NP5793 i like it cus its cheaper Lol. i think thats it. thanks in advance!

 

NP8660 is the one I'd go with. Browse around eBay for a graphics card.

 

Thanks, but say i wanted a 8800gtx or 9800gtx, would it be compatiple? and are there any serious problems with the laptop? like the m15x? i hear alot of sh!t about that laptop.

 

Oh and thanks for the help =)

 

oh and one more thing, how is the nVidia Quadro FX2700M 512MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10. Man, im so sorry for failing at using the search button lol.

 

a - A 9800GTX will run you $800, bringing your 5793 up to $2159.94

b - Currently the 8660 w/ T9600 is yours for $1757.64

c - The 5797 w/ T9600 and GTX is $2465.74


I'd go with b or c.

The fx2700m equals a 9700m GTS.

Upgrading the graphics card isn't worth it in the 8660 or 5793. If you want more power, go with the 5797.

 

thats what i was thinking, because i was gonnag et the np8660 w/ the 2.8 and leave it w/ the 9800gts, ( hoping to upgrade to some kind of gtx at some point later on.) but the 5797s are over budget. i got like 2.5k max'd. what happend to the 5796s = /

 

The NP8660 really is an amazing deal right now.

 

How does a 9800m gts, Quadro FX2700M 512MB, and 9800 gtx compare w/ each other, thanks alot guys so helpful.

 

If your budget is 2,5k
why not just get
http://www.xoticpc.com/sager-np9262...-built-clevo-d901c-p-2273.html?wconfigure=yes
?

 

9800gtx >>> 9800gts >> 9700gts = fx2700m

GTX = 112 stream processors; 98gts has 64 SPs; fx2700 has 48.

Avoid the 2700.

 

the Quadro 2700M is actually quite capable... it performs on-par with the 8800M GTS.

its still high-end (with 256-bit mem interface)... and bang for the buck.

 

Stupid question but could someone explain to me why the quadro 2700M is more expensive than the 9800M GTS when its not as good of a card from what I understand..?

 

256-bit (high-end) Quadro's/FireGL's usually carry a higher price tag than their Geforce/Radeon brothers.

... since those that usually get these kinds of high performing workstation videocards are doing professional 3D work.

These high-end cards are worth it for those doing OpenGL 3D work... especially for programs that requires pro 3D cards like SolidWorks.

 

The 2700M is based on the 9700M GTS core correct? Wouldn't that mean it also has 48 vs 64 shaders for the 8800M GTS?

Right now, the 9700M GTS doesn't quite perform to the level of the 8800M GTS, so I'm wondering how the workstation card manages to do that.

 

more questions, hey guys how is the 9800gts compared to the ATI HD3870 512MB?

 

comparable... probably the GTS is slightly better, but not significantly.

 

I would say go with the 8660. the 9800 gts is not quite as powerful as an 8800gtx (which I don't think is even offered the 5793 anymore), but it's not a very large difference at all.

My friend has a preconfigured gateway gaming laptop with a 9800gts. (I have an 8800 gtx) He has a 2.0GHz processor (compared with my 2.5). He messed with some custom drivers and did some overclocking, and he was able to get a higher 3dmark 06 score than my stock setup. So..the difference isn't a huge one. Not to mention, you get the slimmer 15.4" chassis.

As for your concerns, no...there are no major known issues with the 8660, or with any Sager model for that matter. The m15x, although it was the first of its kind to fit that level of hardware in that small of a chassis, was riddled with problems from the get-go. Basically, it's really an issue with case design. The thing overheats (ie: melts), gets stress cracks from routine opening and closing of the lid..it's just generally too weak to hold the sort of power it contains. You will have no such issues with the np8660...which is pretty much a smaller version of the tried and true 579x case design.

Hope this is helpful.

 

Alrite cool, i think im pretty much set on gettin the np8660 then, thanks a bunch guys!

 

NP..enjoy it. And be sure to post some pics/benchmarks when you get it!

 

just read the post above, that was really helpful, thanks but i have one last question, i wear glasses, so small font shouldn't be much of a problem, would you guys recommend me getting the WSXGA+ or the WUXGA

 

Sager NP8660 (Built on Clevo M860TU) Sager NP8660 (Built on Clevo M860TU)
- 15.4" WUXGA "Matte Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel® T9600 45nm "Montevina" Core™2 Duo 2.80GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 35 watt
- nVidia GeForce 9800M GTS 512MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10 (User Upgradeable)
- None Standard
- ~ 3,072MB DDR3 1066MHz Memory (2 SODIMMS)
- None Standard
- Standard Finish
- ~ 2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
- ~ 320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth + EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
- None Standard
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- None Standard
- Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Surround 5.1 SB1090 5.1 Channels 24-bit External USB Sound Card
- Carrying Case Optional (Select if desired)
- Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
- ADD Car Adapter
- None Standard
- None Standard
- Integrated Fingerprint Reader
- None Standard
- None Standard
- ~Windows Vista Ultimate 64-Bit Installed (64&32-Bit CD Included) w/ Drivers & Utilities CD's
- None Standard
- None Standard
- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Based Toll Free Telephone Tech Support
(Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

i think those are my specs. TY ALOT GUYS! =)

 

I have WSXGA+ on mine, and I can't imagine how small WUXGA will be. I recommend sticking with the 1680x1050.

Plus the 9800m GTS isn't built for pushing that high amount of pixels; you'll have to lower the res anyway.

 

if my 7800GTX can push 1920x1200 in current games... then a 9800M GTS should do twice as good.

Although I cannot imagine that resolution on a 15.4"... I love it on my 17" though... not too small, not too big.

 

I think it all has to do with what kind of portability you want. I went for the NP5793 because I want that 17" with 1920x1200, I have very good eyes so I can take small font. I also like multiple windows running on my screen.

But it seems like you have a much higher budget than I did so the NP8660 will be a lot better. My cap I made fore myself was 2k and every other notebook I would configure for under 2k would not come up to the value of the NP5793. Plus I got Blu-ray standard and that was a good deal maker since I rent in HD now.

 

Get 4GB of RAM instead of 3. Ditch the 7200RPM to keep the HDD a bit cooler and except if you need Business features like backup or wtv, go for Home Premium.

 

agreed. get the 4 gigs instead of 3, and i would recommend the WSXGA for a 15.4" screen. 1920x1200 will look pretty tiny on it. (though yeah, i do love it on my 17" ^^; )

 

ugh, now i gotta change it, can somone show me the differences between the WUXGA and the WSXGA+, and i thought my comp would run faster w/ higher rpm so i got the 7200 one.

 

hmm well does anyone have a 15.4 and has wuxga? how is it?

 

If you can't find out I would say just get it, because I'm pretty sure if it is too small for you, you can put it back to 1680x1050. You said you were getting a Blue-ray. So I would get the WUXGA, but wait for some more "experienced" opinion.

 

There's no point of getting WUXGA if you don't run at native resolution. I've used a Dell Precision 15'' with WUXGA for like 2 months. At first, everything seem so small but I just go used to it. When you compare it after to a WSXGA+, the WUXGA have the sharpest display. But if you don't need extremly high res. to do specific stuff, I don't see the point of getting that except for the matte screen, which should help the poor viewing angles on this laptop, I think.

 

anyone else with a wuxga on a 15.4?

 

the 200g 7,200PM HD is the same speed as a 320GB 5,400RPM. go with the 320 5400... I wish I had

 

anyone?
bump

 

How did you come up with that, and what manufacturers are you comparing? Anecdotally, my 7,200 Seagate seems to be 4-5 seconds faster on most day to day tasks.

On the WUXGA, I have it on a 17'' 5796 and love it. I dont think 1'' would make a huge difference unless you're over 70 and need reading glasses!

Forget Vista Ultimate/Premium or whatever, if you have old games/peripherals etc. Or if you don't like DRM/HDCP/TC/HDMI and all the other 'malware' it foists on you behind your back. XP is still faster on notebooks, although that will almost certainly change with Nehalem/7.

 

That has been proven factual numerous times now.. regardless of brand pretty much.

the new 2.5" high capacity (320GB and up) 5400rpm drives perform as well as the previous generation (200GB and below) 7200rpm drives.... it is due to the higher density that makes the seek time for the new 5400rpm drives very much improved.

 

so the 7200rpm 320gb hdd should be great, but is the heat anything to worry about,?

 

The Commodore raises a good point. The WUXGA will serve a valuable purpose since you got the blue-ray drive. as far as running your monitor at a non-native resolution..meh. a 1920x1200 monitor running at 1680x1050 will look noticably worse than a native 1680x1050 monitor.

That said, I don't think 1920x1200 on a 15.4" monitor will be so bad. like all things, you'll get used to it. i know i'm kinda going back on what i said before, but i didn't take blue-ray movies into consideration. The choice is yours...i think you'll be happy either way.

 

I'd second those 2 questions:
- 320 @ 7200rpm is the best we have now?
- what about heat?

Thanks!

 

yes the 320GB 7200rpm drive is the fastest (excluding the overpriced SSDs).

it does have a bit more heat, but I would not worry about it since it probably be a bit warmer than the 5400rpm drives.... cannot be exact on temp difference since each notebook HDD environment is different.

 

You guys are awesome, thanks alot, i've just gone through w/ the wire transfer and hope everything goes smoothely. Unfortunately ETA is sometime between xmas and Few days into JAN. = / i want it NAOs! Again thanks alot guys.