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    High temps and low performance.

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Commander Matthias, Dec 9, 2017.

  1. Commander Matthias

    Commander Matthias Newbie

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    So I bought the Clevo P650 model from HIDevolution less than 6 months back (which I had a great experience with). I started investing myself quite heavily into PUBG a couple months ago, I've noticed so many issues in terms of performance. When I first started playing the game, I could run at ultra preset and stay above 60-70 fps meanwhile having dangerously high temps. I'm talkin' +94C on both the gpu and cpu (While fan is on max profile). So I dropped my preset to very low and well that only kept me around low 80's after long hours meanwhile giving me little to no boost at all in performance. I was okay with that for a bit, but then my performance started dipping even more at the already very low preset. I looked around in all types of forums and with my GTX 1070 card, this kind of performance is unheard of. Not only was it PUBG but other games that I played as well such as World of Warcraft and The Battlefield 1 leading me to believe it can't just be PUBG's terrible optimizations causing these issues.

    I will tell you what I have done though to try and fix these problems myself:
    -Repasted my cpu and gpu with Kyronaut Thermal Grizzly using just the basic pea method (gonna try repasting again as I don't see a major decrease in temps and will probably use the x method)
    -Using MSI AB, I underclocked my gpu (though I am going to need some more guidance on how this software works)
    -Using ThrottleStop, I undervolted my cpu and left it at stock 2.9HGz (Could I get some help here with overclocking too?)
    -Purchased and using an average $20 cooling pad

    All these factors dropped my temps to mid 70's and rarely hitting the 80's among these games. HOWEVER, I believe I've fiddled with MSI AB a bit too much and now I'm running around in PUBG with less than 50 fps anywhere on the map at very low preset. My gpu usage isn't at full and I did try to overclock, but anything above 3GHz takes me +94C and throttling. Though with the overclock I do get the performance I paid for.

    EDIT:
    So I changed my curve on MSI AB at 1721MHz and put my cpu back at stock. My games are running smooth again but temps are still high at low 90's.
     
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  2. Danishblunt

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    Yeah no. You clearly don't get the performance you have paid for. Honestly, go to afterburner and put standard settings or "overclock" the card. When you put your clocks higher all you're actually doing is undervolting the card (no joke). Overclock doesn't exist anymore in pascal.

    Maybe you should consider RMAing it.
     
  3. Falkentyne

    Falkentyne Notebook Prophet

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    PUBG uses AVX instructions, from what I know. You're probably going to have to run fans at max and do a repaste with Grizzly conductonaut. If you want to go that route, I suggest you study carefully on how to do that. Recommendations: 1) 3 coats of transparent nail polish over the SMD resistors around the CPU and GPU (pascal runs best if its cold), and you want insulation so that conductive balls of doom don't short out the SMD resistors, and nail polish does work. 2) Foam dams (using HIGHLY COMPRESSIBLE FOAM) cutout to shape around the CPU and GPU, with about 1mm to spare of clearance from the BGA slugs. (the best way to do this is to apply traditional, el cheapo white paste on the chip, cut out a decently sized foam square, apply it on top of the spread out paste, then notice the shape imprint and cut out the shape surgically, with a razer blade (titanium blades work best), leaving at least 1mm to spare. Foam dams can be attached (so they don't move around when applying heatsinks) with dabs of the same nail polish. If you do not do nail polish, you need to insulate with Kapton tape or Scotch Super 33+.

    The nail polish provides insulation so LM doesn't somehow short out the SMD's (kapton or Super 33+ tape does also, but some people have said nail polish can provide slightly better temps), and the foam dam is for preventing ANY chance of LM from escaping the BGA area and getting on the mainboard PCB (Foam dams are NOT to be used for protection of the SMD's around the BGA or LGA--you use tape or nail polish for that).

    Foam dam example #1 on LGA CPU+MXM GPU from the one who did it first (the airplane pilot @tijgert )

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...ol-laboratory-liquid-ultra-pro.791489/page-38
    Foam dam example #2 from Mr Fox: with video

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...liquid-ultra-pro.791489/page-41#post-10581804

    Nail Polish protection example (but please use foam dams combined with this):

    http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...al-grizzly-conductonaut.799343/#post-10411462

    Choice of nail polish or Super 33+ Scotch is up to you. Nail Polish is probably easier if you have steady hands (avoid having any get on the silicon itself), Super 33+ or Kapton takes a lot more work but is much easier to undo.

    If you're temp challenged, that may be your best option.
     
  4. Commander Matthias

    Commander Matthias Newbie

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    Hmmm.. those are pretty last resort options. If things keep on this way I might just have to go to them. :(
     
  5. Meaker@Sager

    Meaker@Sager Company Representative

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    Give them a call and get them to walk you through some steps first :)
     
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