How long do Sagers typically last?

How long do sagers typically last, I am specifically looking at the np7339, so....
Thanks!

 

My m570ru is heading for its 8th year. Fell to the floor once, had to snap the chassis and panel lid back in place but no damage happened.

 

It depends entirely on how you treat it. If kept pristine, on a desk, not abused in graphic or computational activites with overclocks that run your temps high, the main components of a laptop should last many years. 7 years on a notebook is not unheard of if treated well.
Take it to school, bounce it around in a notebook without protection, always carry it by a corner, you could potentially take years off the computer's life.

Secondary equipment like graphics cards (see above), memory devices, optical drives, etc may wear out and need replaced, but the core elements of the laptop (motherboard, screen, processor, chassis) should remain functional for a very long time if kept up well.

3-5 years as you state in the other thread, should be fine, but by then you will likely desire something more powerful, especially as we are getting to the turning point for 4k applications becoming mainstream. Figure 2-3 solid years out of a system before the hardware starts becoming a limitation (probably less since that system has only a GTX 960m) if you care about high end graphical appearance, but it should last longer than that.

Not one of my computers has ever failed on me before I sold it but I generally don't push things to their limit. I still have a Dell M6500 from around 2009.

 

^^ Righ, forgot to mention those things.

Used it through college, on my industrial design degree. So it travelled a lot everyday on my backpack. Lots of Solidworks, Adobe programs, 3dsMax, hours of renders with Vray, and lots of gaming. Of course i always took good care of it, removed dust from the fans/heatsinks twice a year but never repasted it. Still works perfectly.

 

So it will at least go 3-4 years without gpu or cpu crashing?

 

So it will last 3-4 years with gpu or cpu crashing, right?

 

M860TU almost 8 years old and been used every single day since bought and still going strong.
9800GT gpu died after 2 years but that was nothing to do with the laptop. replaced under warranty for a faster 260gtx

P150EM 2 years old and no issues.

 

Nobody can say that for sure but that goes for any brand, hardware failures are not predictable like that. If you abuse the machine, it will break but Clevo has been around for a long time, in fact Alienware used to be a Clevo reseller before Dell bought them, so if you handle it properly it should last a good while. All laptops need their fans cleaned and an occasional repaste as part of their maintenance or they run a higher risk of failure, this is especially true on the gaming laptops (and one reason a large Clevo machine is desirable - they're really easy to self service by design).

 

my D900F lasted over four years before it died, and largely that was attributed to voltage fluctuations and problems I did not know I had until getting this P370SM3. This P370SM3 is working 1000% fine as well, since I got the voltage issues sorted out. Clevos are built quite well. The worst thing that'll happen is a GPU will die, but get a socketed one and you're golden. And if your machine is out of spec (like my D900F is) then a replacement could be quite cheap. I think 280Ms new are something like $50 or so on ebay? Would not be hard to get a new one. The only problem is the mobo for it, really, which I believe is where the problems lie.

 

I once had a sager 2090 that I had for 3 years, I gave it to a friend and it lasted another 1.5 years before the gpu died.
I now have a Clevo p370sm and love it.

 

I abused the hell out of my p170em (lasted me 2.5 years). I never cleaned the fans and wondered why my laptop was getting so hot. Then when I cleaned the fans, I pulled off the heatsinks completely to do so and neglected to reapply the thermal paste. I also kept dropping the power brick and destroyed the power jack on my laptop. I also left it plugged in 24/7 (maybe not worst thing). I also broke the screen twice. I ended up using it as a desktop and attaching a monitor to it.

Many lessons learned here... but lasted me much longer than it should have for me.

 

Wow why mistreat something that you sent thousands on.

 

I had no idea what I was doing. Never bothered to use the internet to search for solutions to problems. Just general stupidity.

 

Yeah, I started the same with my D900F. It might be in better shape now if I had done research (though the mobo is what's dead; not like the shape would be much better... that death was my power company's fault). But it would have had repasting done on the CPU and GPU, I'd have had temps under control better, etc etc.

 

Not to scare you off, but I've had bad luck with my W230ST. My Nvidia card died 2 times in just over a year. After the second time I went ahead a changed the motherboard into a W230SS. It's been almost a month with the SS installed and have done a little gaming with it....so far so good.

As people have mentioned each person's machine will be different and Clevo's are self service by design. Good luck.

 

I had two NP8130, an NP8150 and now an NP8265. Every one was bought used, so who knows what the previous owners did to them. I kept them for at least 6 months with hundreds of hours of gaming on each one before reselling them.

I had absolutely no major issues at all on the NP81x0s, and they were all around the 3-4 year mark. Batteries were still holding a very good charge, everything working perfectly with minor issues. The NP8150 developed a bad wifi card, which was a $20 replacement. The NP8265 had a bad web cam, which would have cost $100, but it was still under warranty and Malibal came through.

So it's safe to say my next laptop will definitely be another Sager. I honestly think they are the best built laptops bar none. In order to replace the webcam on the NP8265 I had to do a complete teardown to rerun the wire because it goes through the screen and above the motherboard. Not a single stripped screw, or broken mount, no creaking, no overheating and simply a pleasure to work on.

The main thing to avoid it seems are Radeon cards, at least the previous generations (6xxx and 7xxx series) seem to fail within a year or two. Not Sager's fault though...

 

As mentioned this is a really tough answer since we're talking about electronics. You can see by the above posts, most people have had good life times out of them. But if something happens like a power sure or some odd ball static electricity then your lifespan will be shorter. But over all, I would say there are no solid numbers to say it will have a shorter or longer lifespan compared to other computer brands out there.

 

Mine is going strong. If only I could upgrade everything, like desktop.

 

That would be nice to do, but even desktop motherboards have their limits as technology advances, however you can usually upgrade them for much longer.

 

Since their maintainance is easier than other, I'd say they hold longer. There is nothing more frustrating than when you need to open up the laptop (for cleaning or exchanging thermal paste) - and while disassembling it some of the small plastic hooks break off. This happens to many brands with their 1-time-throw-away-housings. Then you know what you've paid for: for something that is meant to be broken. Expect 80% of all laptops this way. But if you don't clean it, the CPU/GPU will sooner die the heat-death.
Even though many laptops look awesome from the outside, they fail as soon as you need to maintain them. When it starts breaking apart with the little things, it also starts feeling rubbish (making you want to buy something new). You ain't gonna be happy with throw-away-laptops if you make long-term-purchases.

PS: while I have no experience with your requested laptop, I usually buy laptops for a duration of about 5 years. That's when all these things fall apart piece by piece. But they wouldn't fall apart, if I had chosen something like a Clevo (or at that time some MSIs had also good maintenance).

 

Bought an M860TU in 2009 and took decent care of it with fan cleaning. Sold it to a friend in 2011, he's since stopping playing games, it sits in a corner in a pile of something running as a server 24/7. He's never opened it and never will.

Bought a P150HM in 2011. The infamous 6990M died in 2013 and was upgraded under warranty (one week left ). Still going strong without hickups with occasional fan cleaning and repastes, though I'm getting really itchy for something faster (cmon AMD).

 

Since we're all doing anecdotes:

I got a P150HM in 2011 right when the 485m was released. The specs are still in my sig until I sell it off.

Some issues I had in the last 4 years:
1. Rubberized finish rubbed off on touchpad (cosmetic- I wish it came without the finish to start with)
2. Power supply cord insulation split off from the brick and was showing the internal wires. Put a dollop of epoxy on it and it's been fine since. (maybe about 2 years ago).

I've also 1) upgraded the RAM 2) swapped out the screen for a 95% color gamut model 3) installed new hard drives/SSDs and other typical maintenance on it without issues.

Just replaced it with a P650SG because the 485 was aging poorly and upgrade path was limited. I also really wanted a 4k screen, something thinner and more portable, and 3-4 battery life.

 

My P570WM has dealt rather well with my constant fiddling inside

 

If you're talking about your NP8150, it's as close as you can get. You can upgrade your CPU, GPU, RAM, storage, wireless card, LCD. Not sure what else you'd want. Even desktops have a one, sometimes two architecture limit on CPU's that it can be used with. GPU is MXM which is the best standard you can get, and IIIb has been standard for years. Heck all the components are fairly easily replaceable on the Clevos. I think I've replaced every component over various Clevos over time.

Only the cooling systems are pretty fixed, although you can sometimes mod them a bit for improvement. I think it's pretty modular for a compact system.

 

That perfectly describes my Lenovo experience. My Ideapad Y410p It had a intermittent webcam issue that would only crop up when moving the screen, so I figured it may be a connection issue or interrupted cable. I could have went through warranty, but Lenovo wanted me to ship the laptop and wait at least 4 weeks for it to return. I travel for a living, and I cannot be without a laptop. So I opened it up, checked the connections and I just knew reassembly was going to be painful. Webcam was fixed, but I broke TWO screw mounts and for the first time in my life I needed three hands to put the damn thing back together. It was an unpleasant experience, and I swore off Lenovo for good.

Sad really, because I owned the T20, T23, T40p, T41p, two T43, T60, two T60p, T400, X30, Y410p. Of all these laptops, the only one to completely fail was the X30 following a rather brutal drop on a corner. And the T41p's NIC failed.

As an aside, of my 20-30 personal laptops, only the Y410p and the NP8265 had webcam issues. Strange...

 

Does the M860TU still have that issue where the right (or left, can't remember specifically) palm rest was getting incredibly hot? My M860TU passed on within 2 years and I always thought that excess heat was one of the issues.

 

Agree with HTWingNut. Desktops aren't really more upgradeable than laptops. CPU upgrades are dependent on socket and chipsets which change from iteration to the next. Intel hasn't been kind to upgrading.

 

i think my left hand side got slightly warm when gaming but was never a issue for me.
my 9800GT died after 2 years but was replaced same day under warranty with a better 260gtx and as said still going strong. general use every day but not pushed at all as use P502 for that.

 

A little bump on last post, i owned MSI GT60 laptop, and this one do have som "one time " clips and the display lid worn out quicly !
For clevo, easy maintenance is a best for durabilty !
Only concern is about clevo battery life, mine already 10% wear after 1.5 years, while my MSI stood at 5% after 3 solid years, and replacments are expensive ( 140€)

Elipsus

 

Das clevo is working like da bOSS!!
Bought 2011 and 4 years later carves out those fps beautifully.

My tip is make sure you clean the fan/grills, etc for fluff every 6 months.
My laptop thnx me greatly for this fluff control and use excellent quality thermal paste I recommend ICD7... pasted in 2011 never had to look back its that good on cpu and gpu.

 

My tip for long term use of your Sager/Clevo is to not over-torque the screws. Those are the weak points, you can rip out the screw insert and if it's around stress point like LCD hinge, can start to see it fall apart. Screw it tightly so it won't unscrew, but don't torque it.

 

We had a client bring in a Clevo D900K for some upgrades recently (there wasn't much we could upgrade). It sat on a desk for it's entire life and was still in perfect working condition...just a little dusty.

We sold back in Aug 01, 2005, shortly after it's launch.

 

My first Clevo was M570. Bought it used and after 2 years sold it to a friend who broke the hinges and that was the end of it. I'd say it lastes 4-5 years.

Second, Clevo D901C served me well 5 years until I sold it. I did notice some stiffness on the hinges and few cracks appeared in the corners. One GPU had to be baked twice in the end as well, but other than that still went on strong. New buyer was very happy with that "fat buddy."

Third, Clevo P370EM3 have served me last 2 years and probably another 3 until something starts to break.

Overall in my experience clevo will last well 5+ years depends of the user.

 

Bought my D901c in January 2008 and still rocking, upgraded and squeezed every bit out it so far but it's still working pretty well!

 

I have a sager np8662 with an upgraded maxed out cpu. This particular machine was bought in 2009 and still going strong, still feels faster than all the brand new mid-level pcs i've tried, even current i7s. What's remarkable with this machine is that it's been overclocked to the max ( and i mean 3.7 ghz 4 cores on air and 4 ghz on 2 cores on air stable about 80 hours every week) it had it's chokes blown a few times back because of the oc, other than that it's still pretty much solid, no glitches whatsoever. I don't know of any other brand that can handle the same torture and last this long.

 

The thing about a forum is that often it's the people having issues you see most often, there are a lot of clevo/sager machines out there silently plugging away for years.

 

Exactly! We often get inquiries from those with machines that are still doing their thing 5+ years later. Someone recently tried sourcing a replacement battery from us for a model that was nearly 15 years old, even, still working just fine otherwise.

 

That's really scary seeing how many people here have had their Clevos just die, or their GPUs die, etc... I have a Dell from literally a decade ago that works just fine still, nothing dead everything works good as new, and I used the hell out of it, I didn't monitor temps or repaste it ever, etc...

 

See above, dell systems also fail and you see that in their section.

 

It's all subjective. My Dell died on me after 2 years of use. My Clevo is still humming along, soon it will be 7 years old.

 

No offense intended, but your typical Dell or mainstream brand user doesn't tend to have the same forum habits as Sager or more of a power user will. In turn you'll see less problems reported from them on forums.

Sager/Clevo users tend to research their computers more before purchasing one, mostly because its an unknown name to them at the time. During such research they often end up here, and stay here for the community, and in turn will post good and bad.

 

Mines 1.5 years old and has a few signs of being toted around 24/7 365. Otherwise its in perfect shape and games and works wonderful!

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Oh, I agree completely that Clevo owners will be more likely to post on forums rather than Dell users.

I suppose another point that can be made is Dell computers will not usually be under the stress of Clevo computers (heavy duty gaming/video rendering, huge overclocking, etc) which makes it easier for them to last longer on average.

While I agree that all of those points are completely rational and make sense, at the same time it's just scary and disheartening to see so many reports of GPUs dying within 2 years, all in the same thread all at once.

 

But isn't that GPU predominantly a certain brand/model? And is it only happening in a Clevo/Sager?

 

Yeah, it could just be the quality of the graphics card. If you game a lot though, usually the graphics card is the one part that is getting pushed to it's limit the most, where parts like the CPU or ram usually aren't being put under full load. So that could by why it is brought up more, too.

What I think shows a quality of a brand, is when someone has a part fail like that, if they don't say "I'm never getting another one of those again" but look at getting a new one then it must have been a really good computer. To me, that shows their overall experience was positive to outweigh something like that. I think I see that more often than not with people who owned a Clevo/Sager before.

 

Dell machines don't even house the same class of GPU, keeping a 30-40W GPU cool is a lot easier than a 100-120W GPU, along with having much more complicated power circuitry.

As far as GPU failures Alienware have had similar issues, this is more down to packaging choices by AMD and Nvidia really.