I think I joined the clevo team too late, just frustrated with how locked everything is.

I am really starting to regret going for clevo.

Everything is so locked down I could be using an apple computer!

Bios memory options - NO - No 2166mhz mem for me.
Graphics bios flashing options - NO - No 1ghz gfx core clocks for me.
No fan control
No enduro control

I think it's a sad reflection on such a company when it's easier to get an Acer unlocked bios that it is yours.

Gah, it's like the system is wearing a straight jacket.

Poor show Clevo, poor show. Way to make yourselves run of the mill and BORING.

Why on earth is the the value (ER series) more easily unlocked? NONE OF THIS MAKES ANY SENSE, it speaks of an unfocused, uninterested company and makes me worry for their future.

 

I agree, I don't understand why they have everything so locked down.

 

Hardware - Not locked down
Software - locked down

Why can't we have both?

 

I don't know... I mean, it is kinda of frustrating but over all, I'm happy with my Sager. It's done everything that I want it to do so I can't complain..

 

It's like you're in my mind! I had the same thoughts, and I did a double-take when I went into the BIOS the first time. I was thinking that I had to have hit the wrong key, because all I was seeing was options for enabling system beeps and enabling legacy USB support...

But no, it turns out that was indeed my BIOS. Very frustrating to have something so thin in such an important area of these high-performance machines. I can only hope that Clevo comes out with something, especially in the vBIOS flashing area. I would like to tinker with the voltage a bit, and see if I can bump performance up a bit more.

 

@Meaker I though you were aware of the situation when you hopped on board the Clevo train lol.. I knew I'd seen you doing lots of stuff with your other laptops and wondered why your going to step into such a locked down environment..

We got a bit done with one petition, perhaps we need another? Their gimped BIOS have been an issue for a long time with many people.. I can't see how they can stick people with these BIOS and dish out have these performance machines. Just doesn't make sense..

 

The fact that the upcoming Clevos with GTX 660M also have a physical button, for the switchable graphics, has helped me decide to wait for the EM's successor. With the EMs Clevo has shown that they're learning, but the company is not quite there yet.

It's safe to assume that all of their machines will have a gfx button included, next time. Hopefully BIOS options are also on their 'to do' list.

I feel that Clevo is behind the times, because they don't deal directly with their end consumers, meaning you and me. So who is telling them what WE want included and improved? Maybe we need to be putting a whole lot more pressure on Sager and the other sellers. I doubt Clevo will alter company policy from an NBR thread and petition.

 

Compared to AW, we definitely need some more customization in the BIOS..

But seeing how the BIOS options are the exact same, I doubt it's going to change..

 

Are they really? Link? That could be something I might need to pick up..

Great point, who is telling them? I completely agree that they took a few steps forward with the EM line. Hopefully they'll keep it up with whatever line up they pop out in 2013!

 

There's a short info thread here for the upcoming Clevo W350ETQ and W370ET.

I like the looks of them a lot. One of the buttons on the left enables/disables the Nvidia GPU.

 

Interesting.. If only that could be outfitted with a backlit keyboard..

 

this two are the most important to me

 

It's pretty clear now that one of Clevo's weakest points is its BIOS and BIOS support.

I will be happy to assist them in this matter .

 

Its the fact that its locked down, they have worked so you CANT unlock it, so the enthusiasts are stuck.

I kind of suspected this was the case bu the killer is...

I had no idea the graphics bios beinguntouchable in this machine! Arg!

 

Instead of just complaning in this forum you guys should contact the resellers and let them know and\or make a petion.

 

They have tried very hard to make it hard for us to actually unlock it, there's a way, but definitely not worth the work

 

this makes me wonder how much different the mythlogic bios is

 

Where do I sign.

 

I wonder how many people would be interested in donating towards custom bios for our machines? I'd definitely put some $$ in if we had someone with the skills

 

There's a post by someone on the forum on how to extract / unlock all menus within a Clevo BIOS, save it, and re-flash.

Anyone remember coming across it?

 

As we said in this thread: The P-series can not be unlocked with any tool. It requires manual hex-edits and a bunch of bricks before you will see the stuff you all want to pop up in the menu.
Clevo does this on purpose.

 

Well MSI is out with both 7970M and 680M soon I think
Maybe they are better?

 

That's actually what caused me to jump ship from Clevo to MSI.

Before Throttlestop, the only way to OC my QX9300 was via hardware mod.

 

Well im either flashing this 7970 or getting a gtx 680. Have a plan in motion but unsure if possible.

 

Really Apple? Apple solders the GPU/CPU on the board, the memory is soldered, the SSD is proprietary design and the batteries.are glued to the case. Nothing can be customized.

And what is the alternative? Let me know when Acer sells a 7970M with enduro switch in BIOS option for $1600 please. As awesome as the M17x is, way out of my budget.


Sent from my G73JH using KeyBoard

 

We are about to get MSI 7970M and GTX680M models along with alienware outlet deals I would not want to wait around and fall behind.

If Clevo are not careful they will be in trouble.

 

Any links to the MSi with a 7970m? Will they be out by the end of summer or are they still far off?

 

The MSI 7970M will be with their new Trinity APU. Which means the switchable Enduro should run fine and have native support from official drivers.

That's the thing some don't get here. AMD Enduro works fine with AMD products. The real problem here is Intel. Maybe some may want to google Intel Muxless graphics. It's a pain for everyone, the user, AMD, and Nvidia.

But I know.. I know.. It's ALWAYS AMD's fault. Never the User, Never the Game Developer, Never Intel, It's ALWAYS AMD's fault. It's the the 12.7 beta drives for AMD Graphics that run awesome fault, it's definitely not the Intel drivers that AMD has to run through some hurdles to include. Yep.. AMD's fault, every time, all the time.

 

Sorry to hijack the thread, but meaker I sent u a pm a few days ago, have u received it?

 

You think so? All the people who are happy with their Clevo and bought a Clevo because they think MSI and Alienware laptops were designed for pre-pubescent 12 year olds will jump ship? You really think majority of Clevo owners have the same gripes as you do with Clevo?

I understand you complaint, and I too am irritated by how Clevo implemented switchable graphics, I think it's asinine and lack of access to the vBios, but it seems to me, you are a very small, maybe .05% representative of the Clevo owners.

I doubt AW Bios is any more open, just lucky they had the smarts and foresight to implement switchable graphics the way they did. And well, if you are happy with MSI, more power to you, I know it's just looks, but I do have to look at that ugly bezel around the screen and the obnoxious designs and colors around the keyboard and the ridiculous touch option thingy on top.

 

You really have not seen the latest GT series have you? Or the barebone series?

 

I have to agree here. Performance issues with my old M11X R2 aside, I am actually happy to see my AW go and to be joining the Clevo side. While it was nice to be able to OC the CPU, etc on my AW, to me the difference wasn't as dramatic as I originally thought it would be. Maybe I will think differently once I receive my Clevo on Weds, I don't know... but I also wanted a much more simplistic design. The look of AW wore off pretty quick for me, and doesn't always get the kind of positive attention from others that one might think.

 

Yea I agree. i just don't understand why Clevo is doing this. If everything is working fine then I don't have a problem with it. But it does have problems and if they don't fix it soon than please let the users fix it. The fan profile really suck right now. It's loud when idle while it really shouldn't. When I play a game and quit the fans are at 50% speed even if the temps are low after half an hour. I have to restart the laptop in order to get the fans quite.

It's also a really bad move from Clevo to force the users to use Enduro. Why did they do this I just don't understand. MSI is not doing this, Alienware is not doing this. So why did Clevo? Who made this decision?

I have had the m860tu for 3 years and I have to say the P150EM is a big disappointment. The quality is just not the same anymore. But i'am not giving up yet hopefully the issues will be resolved soon with a bios update and driver updates.

If someone opens a petition for a bios update than I am absolutely in.

 

I will sign too, this kind of limitation for such a powerful machine is pointless!

 

I think its time we start a petition. This is completely unacceptable to have everything on lock down as they do.

This isn't Apple where the OS is optimized for the hardware in the system. This is pretty much a customizable laptop manufacture. I've asked scores of people if they know of Sager/Clevo and 1 of 50 people know of them. They are an enthusiasts builder.

Look I'm happy with my product because it is better then my 5 year old Macbook Pro, I'm not happy with not being able to turn off the IGPU manually. I'm not happy with not being able to tweak my system via bios.

I'm really considering returning this laptop for an AW with the 680m (even though I'm happy with the 7970, Nvidia does have more partnerships with game houses, and in general Nvidia plays better with Intel).

Let's start a petition, I'll gladly sign even though I'm returing this thing.

 

+1 to thisssss

 

count me in too on that petition deal, I'd sign eyes closed

 

By the way turn off any GPU monitoring programs if you want it to idle without VGA fan spinning, including ThrottleStop's GPU sensor. If any of those are on, the GPU will be deemed as in use.

 

I'll sign aswell.

As mentioned, if someone out there know the key to an unlocked bios, I'll be happy to throw some coins his way!

It would be lovely to get an unlocked Vbios aswell (but to even get there, an option in system bios to select which GPU to use needs to be there). I'm sure the 7970m is cabable of performing on lower volt with an reduced heatproduction on load.

//aatind

 

I'd sign this as well. Honestly, all I want is to be able to use XTU to increase the TDP of my CPU and change the max turbo limit so my CPU can run at 3GHz constantly. It sucks to see the 2720QM clocking down to 2.7GHz when the temps are well within thermal limits, while people with Alienware can easily change XTU settings to prevent this.

 

Actually, Mr. Banned, I am unhappy for the exact same reasons as him.

 

You also have to consider that a lot of those users who would mess with those advanced settings are the same ones that are going to do everything in their power to get it back to stock looking to when they send it in for warranty work for their fried x,y,z issue - they can claim they dont know why it happened. Until any company figures out how to politely give those customers the finger - the easier and more profitable way around it is to just leave those options locked down. Makes their products more reliable and also makes warranty issues cut and dry. Maybe 5% of the Clevo user population is annoyed by it - but no company is going to focus their efforts on a teeny tiny portion of their business. MAYBE after everything else if sorted - but I doubt that would ever happen.

 

The only thing I'm asking for is the opportunity to turn off Enduro or the integrated GPU. Neither would cause any damage to hardware.

 

You want access to advanced features, you sign a warranty waiver and your seller hands you the key. What's the problem??

 

I just want the option for a little visual in the system tray or in the top right corner or something that showed when the laptop was running in "Power Saver" (Intel 4000) or "High Performance" (7970M) just for clarity and as an extra point of detail.

That would be nice.

 

I know it sounds easy from this side, but speaking from experience of being a manager in a large international company - things are never that simple in big business.

 

Oh if they spent all that effort on some kind of detection mechanism so they can tell, then fair enough, but you force people to do even crazier stuff.

 

Made me lol

Clevo is ruining it themselves...