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    Installing Windows 7, so frusterated plz help

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Brent R., Jun 28, 2017.

  1. Brent R.

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    Hello,

    So I am trying to dual boot windows 7 and windows 10, I am on windows 10 trying to install 7 and when it restarts and says.. "setup is starting" and the windows 7 logo pops up and then it just freezes I have tried everything I am on a UEFI setup so when I used rufus to make a windows 7 boot usb I made correct changes, but I can't even get the USB to boot windows 7 so I am trying to install from inside windows 10 and thats not working so I wanted to install 7 by booting from the USB but its a no go unless I turn UEFI off but even then it still doesnt install correctly....what should I do? I am about to give up but I don't want to be stuck with having to choose windows 10 to boot everytime now that it has windows 7 and windows 10 options to boot from at start up....
     
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    Are you trying to install windows on a SATA SSD or PCIe NVMe SSD?


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    Is this for the model in your signature, or a different system?
     
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    When I try to boot to the USB drive with UEFI on I get this error

    File EFI\Microsoft\boot\BCD
    Status 0xc000000d
     
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    You may not have the boot settings in the BIOS set correctly. You need to use Legacy Video, not UEFI. You can set Video to Legacy on the CSM configuration menu. Using UEFI Video will cause Windows 7 to freeze at the logon screen. If you have Prema BIOS you may have more flexibility than stock BIOS. Also be sure that Secure Boot is disabled in the BIOS. If your system does not have any USB 2.0 ports you will not be able to install Windows 7 from USB unless you manually install USB 3.0 drivers during setup using the F6 method same as you would RST RAID drivers, or use a modded ISO with USB 3.0 driver support added, or use a DVD attached to an internal SATA port (to avoid the same USB 3.0 problem). Windows 7 setup does not have any native support for USB 3.0 ports. If your system does have a least one USB 2.0 port, use that port for Windows 7 setup.
     
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    I have tried everything you said then I get to the point in the installation where you choose which drive to install windows on and it says "can not install on this device error 0x80300024
    Never in my life has something so simple given me such of a hassle geez thanks for your input any help is welcome I am almost there guys lol *edit* I do use prema mod bios
     
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    This usually means that you have to load the appropriate driver for the device during installation before you continue.
     
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    Well I finally got windows 7 installed but its not a dual boot :( I am so angry I have to go into the bios and turn all the settings to legacy for windows 7 to but and for windows 10 I have to go in the bios and change everything to UEFI I dunno how to fix this but ive never had such a hard time installing windows WTF can anyone help? Thanks

    I am about to give up, if no one knows how I can make win7 and win10 dual boot without having to switch between UEFI and legacy everytime let me know please, if not please tell me how I should uninstall windows 7
     
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    Great that you got it installed. The solution now is a simple one. Reinstall Windows 10 in Legacy mode. It works flawlessly that way. There is absolutely no benefit to setting the BIOS to UEFI mode. All that does is impose restrictions (as you have discovered). It's one of those silly things that has become popular for no good reason.

    If you installed USB 3.0 drivers or had them integrated in the ISO, 9 out of 10 times that this error happens to me if I remove the USB stick, wait a few seconds, and reinsert it in the same USB port Windows 7 setup will continue and that error about not being able to install on the selected drive will go away. The only exception I have found is if the drive was previously used with UEFI and Secure Boot filth or in a RAID membership I have to first run a diskpart clean operation on it.
     
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    I had to go in and remove all my hdd's for the error to go away and allow me to install win7, I have so many games and programs installed in my current windows 10 that I dunno if its worth it to reinstall it again unless you know of a easy way to backup everything as it is now and restore it on the new windows 10 without causing any problems. My laptop came from XoticPC with UEFI it is very temperamental and like you said there is no point in even using it, now at least if I ever need or want to go to windows 7 I have it installed and can go use it now I am just having trouble getting connected to the internet through my ethernet port, I can't believe how much windows 10 has dumbed down my computer knowledge, I use to know how to do everything in windows 7 now I am like derrrrr what do I do...
     
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    If you have a lot of nasty Windows 10 UWP game filth, you're pretty much screwed. If most of your games are on Steam, Origin and Uplay, those are all pretty much portable and you can copy them to another drive and avoid having to download them all over again. I always install all of my games on a separate drive so I don't have to deal with that kind of nonsense. The only things I have to install after a clean OS are Office, Adobe CS, Nero, Snag-it, and a couple of other things, which isn't much trouble. Most of my stuff is portable version that sits on a data drive, isolated from the OS, and I can run it from W7 or W10. (Yes, I dual boot everything because W10 isn't a good enough product to replace W7.)

    You can try this... clean install W10 on a different drive in Legacy Mode, the copy just the OS partition. Then, if you need to, run a Windows 10 startup repair if it won't boot. I've done this a couple of times and it worked OK.

    Might be a good time to just bite the bullet and start from scratch the right way and never look back.

    Image your OS installations with Macrium Reflect once you have them the way you want them. Then restoring them only takes a few minutes.
     
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    10 will work in Legacy mode just fine, granted. UEFI isn't exactly a placebo, however; it has advantages over legacy BIOS.
     
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    I'd like to know what they are. I've not been able to identify anything beneficial to me and I have machines configured both ways. (I do not use GPT for the purpose of having numerous drive partitions, as my preference is to avoid creating partitions.) Knowing the push from Micro$lop, based on the UEFI roadmap, is to ultimately solidify their dictatorship and block the use of any OS they don't make money from, including some of their own, and implement controls they cannot implement without it, I find it difficult to warmly embrace it. Some of the filth we despise would be not be possible in a UEFI-free environment because it is abused by Nazi control freaks.
     
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    http://blog.asset-intertech.com/test_data_out/2016/05/benefits-of-and-misconceptions-about-uefi.html

    Not all of it is relevant or appreciable to the typical end-user, but technically it is an improvement.

    K... but how do you REALLY feel about it? :vbtongue:
     
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    LOL, OK fair enough. I guess it's the abuse of the technology that makes it suck, not the technology itself. If they made Secure Flash/firmware signing optional and easily removable at the local machine level based on the personal preference and/or whim of individual end-users it's would be worthy of less hatred. UEFI makes that kind of despicable Nazi filth possible, and when the technology world is run by control freaks with a self-serving agenda we all suffer, whether we realize it or not.
     
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    thanks @Mr. Fox @Prostar Computer I don't think there is a way to fix this now, that one is installed in UEFI and one is legacy, what I don't understand is why wouldn't windows 7 let me install it in UEFI?
     
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    Was your disk set up for MBR or GPT?