Intense NP8173/ P670RS CPU throttling. (6820hk/gtx1070)

When the GPU does just about anything, the CPU throttles via ICCmax/PL4.

CPU drops about 800mhz. Undervolting the CPU helps a little, but it does not really address the problem.

There is a shared power usage between the two components that cannot get above a certain level.

Does anyone know how to circumvent this or anything about it?

 

Repaste the thermal compound with something like IC Diamond and hit FN+1 to use full fan mode.

 

Keep us updated. I ordered the NP8173-s (6820hk/gtx1070) combo.

 

- Check temps
- Do you have by any chance the 200W PSU and not the 230W ?

 

It's not temp throttling, and if it were the power supply, the adapter would just die, not downclock the CPU. I'm using a 330w anyway.

The dips in Freq/Power near the middle. That's just from starting to watch a game of dota 2.
The processor is completely fine if it's only doing processor things.

 

Are you sure it's not downclocking just because it doesn't need to be clocked that high? It doesn't look like usage changed much. I think it's a power conservation algorithm possibly, because it doesn't need to be clocked as high to do what it's doing. What happens under higher loads? I would imagine the clock rises maybe with more demand?

I'm wildly guessing, probably incorrect.

 

Yes I am absolutely sure.

When I Cap FPS to 60, the clocks on the CPU remain fine.

When I bench CPU during significant GPU usage, it will never reach 4ghz, usually around 3.3ghz.

 

I see 2 reasons :
1) Maybe a bios/ec bug ? I remember my previous P650SG with a 980M had some annoying EC bugs in the beginning.
2) Maybe a TDP limit on the i7 + Nvidia GPU ? After all Nvidia and Intel are allowing manufacturers to select their own TDP/limit.

Anyway thanks for the infos ! Many people are eagerly waiting for their P6x0RS with 1070 ^^ any feedbacks or infos on thermal/benchmark you have would be a great addition !

 

Somewhat unsure how to benchmark.

Here's a 3dmark 11 score?
http://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/11529806

Max CPU/GPU temps were 71/64 Celsius.

CPU was at 4.1ghz but throttled itself between 3.4 and 3.7 during various benchmark tests.

 

benchmarking can be done with 3Dmark, unigine heaven, measuring fps in games etc. WHILE measuring temps/frequency.

So that's what you did ^^ and thank you ! That's weird, I'm really leaning toward a bios bug /bad power management/TDP limit in EC regarding those dip in CPU frequency. When I'll get mine i will test this should get it in a week or more.

your 3Dmark score should be in the 15000 area it's pretty close so that's good (and that would explain the dip in cpu frequency), your temps are excellent.

 

What reason does intel XTU give for the throttle? Are you in high performance mode?

 

Does the P670RS support Intel XTU?
About to pull my trigger on it.

 

It says "Current Limit Throttling", despite the fact that all current related values are maxed out in XTU and bios. And again, only shows up if the GPU is doing something.

Yeah

 

You said you had a 330W PSU, Clevo normally deliver a 230W PSU with the P670SG + 1070 could you tell me the Ampere / voltage of the brick ?

 

It's not a 'bug' it's a 'feature', that's stock for you guys and the reason we are making Mods...

 

Model: ADP-230EB
11.8 A
19.5 V
=
230 Watts

Why is divine love a cost? That sounds to me like a benefit. I imagine the cost of enduring happiness is suffering, in one way or another. I think then, to minimize the cost of happiness is to maximize fulfillment one has during suffering, and to do that, is to have an appreciation merely for existing.'
Or you can just outsource the suffering to others like governments :/

There is a certain irony in your quote being nested in the topics of such an exemplary case of avarice: high performance gaming laptops. I suppose, due to your unique skillset in a relatively esoteric arena, you bear witness to many displays of entitlement and appreciation in people. So more than others, you may see the futility in trying to derive happiness from such things.

Your quote makes me feel guilty for whining about the frequency of a bunch of transistors that probably don't have any real impact on my life. I wonder, if and when I become an old man will life have changed enough that I cannot look back on these times and be able to conjure up sympathy for the level of care I seem to display about something so utterly trivial.

My hopes..

Before mod:
GPU: "Come ON MAN you gonna help or what? This **** is heavy!"
CPU: "Nah man you got this. imma go smoke."
After mod:
GPU: "Hey CPU can.."
CPU: "Why I certaindidly can doodily neighbor. Whatchya need?"

 

[philosophy mode]

Divine love knows neither ego nor desire. Give up both and love will effortlessly fill their place and make us happy. That's the only price to pay.
I feel there is nothing wrong with enjoying toys to play with!
If something adds to our happiness, we should just be able to detach that feeling from the object that brought it to us, so that when circumstances one day take it away, happiness remains.

[/philosophy mode]

 

Add the quote on the BIOS bootup screen mate!

 

It's already there in its essence...Boot logo says 'Prema', which is nothing but the Sanskrit word for 'Divine Love'

 

My love for your bioses is prema.

 

Abysmal XtU score of 670 marks.
Yet it does okay in other CPU only benchmarks.





I notice problems in games too. FPS not being as high as it should, in addition to dropping randomly.

As it stands, I'm returning it unless a bios mod can fix it. I only have a few days, ahh the pressure.

 

Pick what you want bro Or maybe you already been there?
https://www.google.no/search?q=divi...ns3eXOAhUHZCwKHWEKAMEQsAQIIw&biw=1920&bih=955

 

Download and try Throttlestop instead of this Bloat. Max all limits and under volt your processor. Delete the OC profile in XTU and don't run XTU in Win startup. Eneble XTU only for benchmark tests.

 

some bios don't play nice with throttlestop, like my G752VS


only xtu or rog cancer center to change PL1/PL2 and that's still hard limited to 75/85w!

 

Not sure if this will help, but thought I'd mention it just in case

I'm not using the new P670, (will be testing one on Tuesday) but have been testing the new P775DM3-G both with the 1060 and 1070, and found that the control panel that ships with them causes me a lot of problems with regards to fan speeds and weird CPU clocking issues. It was reporting my CPU as running way hotter than it actually is (around 91C at 45% load) fan speeds and temps were all over the place even when it was just idling and under-clocking it after about a minute when encoding even when it wasn't reporting a high temperature. I removed the Control panel and put on the one from my older P771DM-G (Control Center 5.0001.0.50) which removed the overclocking options on the taskbar, but has made this new model run at about the same loudness as the P771 and I can encode using full CPU and it stays around 3.96 to 4Ghz at 100% no matter how long I leave it encoding.

As my boss has taken home the P670 we got in and was initially reporting the same kind of weird fan issues I suggested he puts on the older Control panel. So I should know by Tuesday if it fixed it for him when he gets back from IBC

 

Please check your CPU multipliers during GPU usage. I have no problems with the CPU during just CPU laden tasks.

 

When I get the issues it's from a clean install of Windows with just the drivers on from the supplied disk. The Control centre that is supplied with the machine is what's causing the issue. It even reports the CPU wrongly as it puts the base speed of the CPU around 2.5Ghz, then says it's turbo is around 3.5Ghz and therefore I'm overclocking it at 4Ghz which I'm not as it's a 6700K. If I remove the new control panel and put on the older one everything works fine and is quiet.

I've already checked all the multipliers and other settings, and this is happening on every P775DM3-G we've had in so far, so as my clients have no need of overclocking I'm putting on the older Control panel.

I should probably mention this isn't my first time with Clevo laptops. I've been supplying them to video editors for well over 10 years so I'm used to having to mess around with them to get them working properly