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    Is it worth it to get extended warranty on 9262?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by abstravel, Jun 16, 2008.

  1. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Hi, Is it worth it to get the extended warranty (accidental damage, lcd, etc) for the 9262?

    I'm not one to go around town with it. I will go from my home office desk to the living room, to the bed, and back.

    I'm thinking of using the extra savings to upgrade to a faster processor and sli 8800's.

    Regards,
     
  2. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    If you take care of it well,no need.
     
  3. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    you could always get your own insurance on it. if you don't move it/travel alot i wouldn't really worry about getting extended warranty. if you like to eat cheetos and drink pink lemonade while surfing nbr on your 9262, then it's probably best to get private insurance because if sager sees yellow crumbs and pink goo inside your laptop, that's money down the drain because you voided your warranty.
     
  4. ashveratu

    ashveratu Notebook Evangelist

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    Do most of your electronic devices have a tendency to break for no apparent reason when you are around? Are you accident prone? Allergic to plastic and silicone? Are you in a flood zone or are there huricane evacuation route signs in your neighborhood? Do you own an I-pod? (yes, Apple devices have a tendency to make non-Apple devices break, they hate each other) If you answered yes to all of these, then yes, I would most definitely get the extended warranty.

    Are you good with computers and can change out RAM and a CPU without having to ask where or what those are? If you answered yes, then I would not worry about an extended warranty.
     
  5. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks for the info.

    So, I would assume that, while taking normal care, the 9262 is a robust and well built laptop? Nothing should go "pop" or "fizz" and stop working like the new Dells or Toshibas?

    In other words, any of you who have owned a 9262 for more than 1 year, haven't had problems with hardware?

    Regards,
     
  6. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    I own a D900K (the predecessor of the D901C) for over 2 years already.

    I have taken good care of it, and it has taken care of me back. :)

    As long as you are not careless, the notebook should last a long time.
     
  7. ashveratu

    ashveratu Notebook Evangelist

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    Unless you like to overclock like Dexgo......your lappy should last many wonderful years.
     
  8. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Also, if you have homeowners' or renters' insurance, it may already be covered under that policy, in which case there's no point in wearing a belt and suspenders. :D

    EDIT: Just as an aside, it's also generally not worth getting the zero-dead-pixels guarantee because the Sager coverage is only for 30 days, which is the same length of time as the no-questions-asked return policy; thus, if you have dead pixels you simply cannot live with, the cost you'll eat by just returning the system (and then using your refund, plus some additional $$, to buy another) is probably generally less than the $200 you'll drop on the ZDP guarantee.
     
  9. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    Speaking of Dexgo, is he MIA or something? Haven't heard from him in a long time.

    As for the Acc. Warranty , well, if you live an active,agitated life,move your laptop a lot, have a lot of guests or friends coming over,it's worth it.
     
  10. Chris McCarthy

    Chris McCarthy Notebook Enthusiast

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    Bogus, you guys are making me feel bad I got the 3 year parts/labor from Xotic. On the other hand, I have had HDDs and MOBOs go bad after 1 year and have appreciated getting a new one for free (well not really). Yes the labor is worth less since I usually do the swap myself, but the parts are nice.
    (Of course these were gateways and dells, may not need this with Clevo)

    Chris.
     
  11. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    I wouldn't go that far; in fact, I would agree with you that the 3-year xoticpc parts/labor warranty is probably a pretty good deal because, as you said, parts - expensive parts - can and will fail within the second and third year, and if, say, your hard drives were to fail (through no fault of your own, of course), then the money spent on the warranty would be money well spent because it would most likely have been cheaper than the out-of-pocket cost for replacement hard drives.

    Just to clarify, the 3-year parts/labor warranty is an entirely different kettle of fish from the ZDP warranty, although Sager does offer a total warranty package that includes ZDP (for a $100 premium instead of a $200 premium on the stand-alone ZDP).
     
  12. wxkid23

    wxkid23 Notebook Guru

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    I never buy warrenties on any of my high-priced electronics.... I usually take good care of my stuff. Sometimes something will break that's not your fault but studies have shown you almost always pay more in the long run with warrenties unless you are buying something you know breaks a lot.
     
  13. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Hard drives have a bit of a penchant for that.
     
  14. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Hi,

    But if the hard drives do go bad after 1-2 years, they are going to be way cheaper then, than what they are now.
    For example, the 200GB 7200 SATA 300 HD's go for about $165-$185 today.
    I would assume that these same would be in the $60-$100 range in 1-2 years.

    Now as to a motherboard, these should be in the $300 range in 1-2 years for the same type that is put into the laptop today?

    Am I correct, or just dreaming?
     
  15. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    You have a point there travel.But the MOBO for Sager is hard to find.
     
  16. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    why are they hard to find?
     
  17. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Rambo...

    But, wouldn't the same reseller, from where you bought the 9262, sell you another MOBO?
    As for HD's, memory or video cards, you should be able to shop around.
    As for the MOBO, just go back to the place from where you bought it, and it should not be too expensive, at least cheaper that the original 3 year $300-$700 warranty. Or so I believe. I may be dead wrong on the MOBO pricing!

    Now, on to a side question... do the 9262's suffer many MOBO breakdowns?
    I've had other types of laptops, dells, toshibas, sonys...and the MOBOs are the least of my problems. Never had a MOBO go bad. Generally, the usual video cards, memory and the - ever reliable - HD breakdown!

    I'm now ready to purchase a 9262 (around $3800-$3900), within the next few days, but had doubts on the warranty issues.

    My 9262 would have:
    17" WUXGA Screen (1920x1200)
    Intel Core 2 QUAD Q9550 2.83GHz w/ 12MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
    SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800M GTX
    4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory
    Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive
    200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
    200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
    Raid 1-Mirror
    Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader
    Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
    Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n
    Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
    Windows Vista Business 64-Bit

    Regards,
     
  18. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    It's a good config.I think they will sell you one if needed.But I rememebr seeing many ppl looking for one.
     
  19. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Rambo,

    So, is my belief that extended warranty, should usually not be needed as long as one takes good care of it, and sager parts are not prone to fail or breakdown? (put in your own legal terms in here.. acts of God, flood, droping crumbs of Oreos and Milk, etc, etc)

    Regards,
     
  20. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    I agree with you there.I also dnt have one either.I also used to think that taking care of things will give everything a long life till I started to work in a company that makes the electronic chips :)

    But in general,yes you are right.
     
  21. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    It's not Sager parts, it`s generic parts with Clevo hearts :)

    Anything is prone to damage, you don`t want to take a chance.
    Trust me, get the biggest warranty, if you will want to sell it someday, the warranty will be like a cherry on a cake :)
     
  22. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    So, we were always correct in thinking that manufacturers had some type of self destroy mechanism on their products... and all along we thought it was karma! :)
     
  23. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    Perhaps.
    If we could look into their [​IMG] then we might feagure out what makes the market tick.
    And as with all electronics, I tend to get new ones before the older ones wear off their warranties.
    It`s a habit I picked up from some German relatives.
    Verkaufen schnell, Kauf neu...
     
  24. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    It all depends, do ya feel lucky, punk; well, do ya? :D
    [​IMG]

    Basically, think of it this way: you won't be taking the notebook out and about where it might get bumped and bruised (although, technically, such damages aren't covered under warranty), so it comes down to how you weigh the odds of something like (i) a hard drive failing, (ii) a CPU burning out, (iii) a GPU burning out, (iv) the case cracking, (v) the audio jacks breaking, or (vi) anything else of a similar nature, and then taking the likely future cost of repairing such a failed component and discounting it (I usually use a 5% discount rate as a rule of thumb) to get the net present value.

    For example, let's say that there's a 10% chance of having two of your hard drives fail within the next three years, one after a year, and one after three years, minus one day (so you're still under warranty). Further, lets assume that the drives cost $150 each today, and that the price falls by 10% per year. So, at the end of the first year, when one drive fails, it'll cost $135 to replace it. At the end of the third year, when the second drive fails, it'll cost about $109.35. Now, discounting at 5% per year, the net present value of those replacement costs is $128.57, plus $94.46, for a total of $223.03.

    That, of course, is just the cost of the hardware; however, the warranties also include labor. Now, I don't really know what the labor cost would be for replacing a hard drive, but let's assume that it would be $50 a pop. Let's also assume that labor costs increase at the rate of 2% per year - about the same as inflation. that means that at the end of year 1 you'd have to pay $51 for labor on the first drive, and at the end of year 3 you'd have to pay $53.06 for labor on the second. Discounting those costs back gives a net present value of $48.57, plus $45.84, for a total net present value of $94.41 for all labor costs.

    By contrast, to take as an example, xoticpc charges $197 for their three-year parts/labor warranty. Now, if you do the replacement work yourself, then all you're paying for is parts, but the net present value of $223.03 for the cost of those parts is still more than the $197 you'd pay for the warranty. It gets even worse when you add in the net present value of the labor costs, which gives you an aggregate net present value cost of $317.44 for parts and labor. Compared to the $197 you pay xoticpc to worry about that for you, you're saving $120.44 over what it would cost you if you didn't have the warranty.

    Of course, that's not the whole story, because I didn't risk-weight the costs by the assumed 10% risk of failure for each year. Now, because each drive is independent of the others, that risk is per-drive, not per-system.

    So, assuming you have three drives in your 9262, each of which cost $150 today, and there's a 10% risk of failure for each one each year, but the replacement cost drops by 10% year over year, and net present value is determined at a 5% discount rate, the aggregate risk-weighted net present value of just the replacement cost is $99.97, and of the replacement and labor cost is $142.45. In that case, it would not be worth your while to pay $197 now for a three-year parts and labor warranty, because the likely future costs to you that would be covered by that warranty have, at most, a net present value of $142.45 - why pay $197 to get $142.45 worth of value?

    But, as anyone who's gambled can tell you, these numbers are just guesstimates dressed up in fancy clothing. First off, that 10% risk might never materialize, in which case you wouldn't have to spend anything over the course of the next three years, and you'd be out-of-pocket $197 for no value back. On the other hand, if all three drives failed in the first year, the replacement costs would be almost $450, and replacement plus labor would be almost $600, in which case you'd look like a positive genius for having bought the warranty.

    It all comes down to how lucky you feel.
     
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  25. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    OK. I'm back to being confused.

    If I drop around $3900 on a 9262, would it be in my best interest to get extended warranty, or use that money for better gear?

    Regards,
     
  26. eleron911

    eleron911 HighSpeedFreak

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    My eyes bleed. CONES ! o_O
    You know, I took a marketting class.
    If you guys can give me to total costs I can actually calculate which is better, warranty or not :D

    Abstravel, at 3900$ , if you don`t get a warranty, might as well go out and say I`m [​IMG]
     
  27. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Shyster, I did not read your post before posting my reply to Eleron's post.

    You make a tremendously, HUGE, point on getting insurance for "just in case" times.

    I had not noticed xoticpc's 3year parts and labor warranty of $197.

    Regards,
     
  28. The_Observer

    The_Observer 9262 is the best:)

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    I think if HDD or RAM fails,then I don't think it's worth it.But anyway for the peace of mind,I think it's a small price :)
     
  29. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Yes, I'm leaning more in that direction. For less than $200 on a $3900 investment, should be able to sleep comfortably at night.
     
  30. pukemon

    pukemon are you unplugged?

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    what's $200 on $3900 investment? :cool: :eek:
     
  31. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    It would be called wife-insurance. Just in case anything stops working and I don't get the spouse on my back saying "I told you so."
     
  32. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    If they gave one of these
    [​IMG]

    for achievement in the husbandly arts (sorry, husbandry is already taken, and I don't think we want to go down that road :D ), you would be the inaugural winner.
     
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  33. abstravel

    abstravel Notebook Consultant

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    Thanks, but if I'm like all other husbands, I wouldn't be the first for the Lenin Order. Oops, I mean the Nobel (Lenin look-alike) prize.

    Regards,
     
  34. Shyster1

    Shyster1 Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    Oh, I dunno; it's amazing how many don't know that the wise husband always has the last word: "yes, dear." :D
     
  35. Nirvana

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    i also use that a lot when I after some girls.
     
  36. haquocdung

    haquocdung Notebook Virtuoso

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    @nirvara: did you buy extra warranty for your sager?