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    Is my 6990m defective?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by funny1984ca, Jan 23, 2012.

  1. funny1984ca

    funny1984ca Notebook Guru

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    I purchased a 8150 with the normal thermal paste. the temps when running furmark go to 100 within 1 min. when i play crysis my temps seem to stablize around 85 but if i leave it running it slowly goes up. should i return the laptop?
     
  2. windelicato

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    Furmark is not a realistic test of your GPU. Leave your temperature monitor running and play a game for a while. If the GPU hits 95+, I'd become concerned. Try propping the back of the laptop on a book or something to increase airflow. If your temps are still bad, I recommend applying thermal paste. Crysis doesn't go above 77 for me with the thermal paste.
     
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    Running Furmark on GPU is like baking your GPU. What furmark does is shove a small rocket in GPU's butt and fire it.
     
  4. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    As was pointed out, Furmark is discouraged as a tool to determine temps. It can easily fry your GPU (as it warns you when you run it). Use synthetic benchmarks like 3DMark or just simply run some games to get temperatures. If you're seeing temps like you listed for Crysis, then it looks like you don't have a faulty card or any cooling issues.
     
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    Furmark or not, I encourage you to repaste the GPU. Maybe the stock paste job wasn't perfect and the heatsink doesn't sit tight enough or something obstructing the vent from inside. In any case, you will benefit from high end thermal compounds like ICD24. Anything above 85C in games should be a concern, IMHO. personally, I'd worry if my cards hit 80C +. The lower the temp, the longer the your system will last ;)
     
  6. funny1984ca

    funny1984ca Notebook Guru

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    thanks for all the responses. I thinK I will repaste.

    what temps should i expect if I use ICD?
     
  7. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    Technically speaking, the cards are rated for up to 110C. Though over 95C and most retailers suggest taking corrective action, including repasting. Lower temps do generally lead to longer life, but if you're staying within the acceptable ranges anyway, it won't be any significant range either way.

    IC Diamond and other premium pastes tend to lower temps ~6C depending on ambient temperatures and the surface you're using the machine on.
     
  8. jaug1337

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    100? That's insane, but I must admit as stated several times before Furmark bites like hell. Repasting and maybe getting a cooler will do miracles :)
     
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    Rated is one thing, long term stability is another. The internal components will degrade at a much higher rate when exposed to extreme temps. It doesn't necessarily mean that the system stressed to 95C will fail in a month, but its life span will definitely be decreased.

    BTW, when your sensors show 95C it doesn't necessarily mean 95C max. The memory chips may be hitting 100c+ at that time and there's no way for a user to know for sure. For example, HWMonitor shows 80C as the max for my GPU's when playing Skyrim for 6-8 hrs. At the same time HWinfo32 shows the same 80C overall max and 88C/87C/85C for I/O/Shader/MEM respectively.

    AMD and Nvidia use different calibration methods for measuring temps, so it is a bad idea to rely on the numbers you see in you monitoring app window. Those are for a very rough estimate and reference.

    Hence, my recommendation to all gamers and enthusiasts to always repaste and check the cooling system for contact/obstruction/dust/etc issues before plunging into long gaming sessions, benching and OC'ing. This way, you will learn to maintain your beast and be able to prevent disasters. You should still use monitoring software but keep in mind that the actual temp on various parts of the GPU might be way higher, that's why every single degree counts. The lower, the better.

    Stay cool :)
     
  10. ntrain96

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    Running FURMARK regardless you should never see temps at or over 95c. If you do, then you need some upgraded thermal paste(Artic Silver will run you about 5-7 for a small tube)and invest in a notebook cooler as well(Can be had for real cheap). I bet if you run FURMARK and lift your laptop off the table you will see the temps drop dramatically, which on its own will show you what a good notebook cooler will do for your temps. When I run FURMARK on my P180HM the temps stay under 90c.
     
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    I think these gaming laptops should come with some kick down feet that prop up the rear. My Eurocom Racer [8150] gets smoking hot laying on the desk, but if I prop up the rear the temps are very nice. ALso a good laptop cooler is a good instment, I own 3 right now. I have one that has lots of extra USB ports which is very handy.
     
  12. funny1984ca

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    well i propped my laptop up. i was getting 76c playing SRt3. and 84 crysis1

    is 77 and 84 really too high?
     
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    With a 6990m, keeping real world temps under 85c is good with the 6990m. Preferrably try for or under 80c. If your using stock thermal paste then picking up some Artic Silver for 5 bucks will probably give you the extra 5c in temp decrease that I would recommend and put you in the 80c range under heavy loads.
     
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    Those temps aren't bad. They aren't great either. Are these with stock clocks? Also, what's your ambient temp?
     
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    funny1984ca Notebook Guru

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    its overclocked. its about 20c maybe less.

    why what temps are resonably good? i thought 70s were ideal aka great temps

    should I try ICD? do you think the temps would drop more?
     
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    For only a few bucks and 20 mins of your time, just try repasting. It can only help.
     
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    I do not take actions for anything but you could probably undervolt it if you care so badly about your current temperatures. It would help greatly :)
     
  18. Eldaren

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    Being overclocked those temps are pretty good. IC Diamond may only drop you 1-2 degrees C. My P150HM responded really well to a notebook cooler. Dropped temps around 4-5 degrees. Even with the rear proped up, these things are starved for air.
     
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    so what temp should i aim for overclocked? im getting 89c now which is a little hot. do you guys think ICD will bring the temps down to 70-75c?

    like assume i just did a repaste and im getting 80c should I repaste and aim for a lower temp?

    what temps do you guys get?
     
  20. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    IC Diamond makes a difference, but it's not going to be 10-15C unless your first paste job was terrible. The average reduction is only about 6-8C for most. You should be fine if your temps tend to stay under 90C.
     
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    thanks. im thinking longevity though. should i aim for 60s 70s 80s?
     
  22. Anthony@MALIBAL

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    Lower is better, but as long as you're staying within safe operating temperatures you won't see any major difference between say, 75C and 85C. High 70's under load seems to be one of the better results I've seen.
     
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    Doesn't really matter. It's true to lower temp will help the components survive longer, but even if it runs at its max temp, it will still last longer than you want it to be.