Is possible to disable enduro 7970m in clevo p150em/170em?

i would like to know if is possible to disable enduro in the new clevos like in alienware... Sinse there are loss of performance with enduro on (with actual drivers) would be great if it were possible to turn it off in bios or something like that...
Thanks

 

Yes it's possible to turn it off (according to notebookcheck)

 

Can you give me link?
thanks

 

Also interested in answer !

 

I'm wondering whether we can MANUALLY switch between iGPU and dGPU.

 

No, Dell AW is different, it has keyboard combination that functions as a toggle, and that has to do with BIOS. So far for Clevo, one user said that he's running on a premature driver that does not enable Enduro. There's no hardware/BIOS option to run on FIXED mode, we need to ask Clevo to add that...


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Its fully muxed. Which means that no matter what you can't go exclusively onto the integrated GPU NOR can you go onto only the AMD GPU, its forever in optimus mode. There isn't a BIOS / EC fix for that, it would take a whole new motherboard.

 

^ that sucks somehow.. I guess driver mod is the last hope

 

We can't switch enduro off? That's awful. Man...

I am almost inclined to get M17 now.

 

Looks like Enduro is a very immature technology.

 

Has it been confirmed that 7970s in Clevos suffer from the same Enduro-induced stunted performance seen in the M17? I remember they could at least fix that in the M17 by disabling Enduro altogether.

 

Yes I second that ^^

Can some more resellers/owners please confirm whether we will be looking at greatly reduced performance due to Enduro and have no way to disable it?

 

Go back to page one and read.

 

More and more bad news for the 7970M and Clevo. Ah well...I'm staying the course.

 

Go back to my post and read.

Also no one has actually confirmed whether these Clevo's suffer the same performance hit as the M17x with Enduro switched on (or not enabled using that early driver).

 

iaTa - how do you like that G75VW...tempted to make the switch over until the whole 680M versus 7970M thing is settled...

(off-topic, but kinda on...since Enduro is not looking good)

 

Generic VGA video card benchmark result - Intel Core i7-3610QM Processor,CLEVO P170EM score: P6408 3DMarks
3dmark 6408 at 950/1500


He didn't mention if Enduro was engaged or not..
But regardless, 1-5 FPS isn't bad imho, don't get paranoid over synthetic numbers guys

 

1-5 FPS synthetic??

Try 1-150 FPS real world:





Some games go from 60+ FPS in ultra to awful frame rates.

 

I meant in games, and 1-5 in the setting that you would expect to play when you have such card

 

Yeah, I was going to link you to the images posted above but was too lazy. Bottom line is (apparently you missed this from earlier today): 7970M WITH Enduro = less performance. Meaning, even if the 7970M is activated (and not the Intel integrated) - the performance is severely downgraded.

It's likely a driver issue. But it's still disheartening (on top of the delays) because we've all been waiting for our laptops (me personally for over a month).

The worse part is that AMD and driver issues is par for the course. There's nothing in their track record that would illustrate a "quick fix" will come out. I still have issues with my desktop 7970s...for example. It has been 4+ months there.

 

I'm sure by sometimes, they will completely prioritize the program specifically, not just the load in general. That's what happening now with Enduro

 

F1 2011 in Ultra drops from 65 FPS to 35 FPS - that's a huge drop.

Now I'm confused though. In this thread they state that you can't overclock unless the iGPU is disabled. How did that CLEVO P170EM 3DMark owner overclock then?

 

So the people that are testing Enduro by disabling their iGPU in the post/thread below are only able to do it because they're AW?

http://forum.notebookreview.com/gam...817-what-went-wrong-7970ms-5.html#post8548633

 

Yes their board is different


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Now that I'm looking at it, it actually makes a lot of sense. Does increasing from 100fps to 200fps matter a lot? I would rather running at 100fps and save on battery use/energy consumption, than let GPU at full load for that useless 100fps.

The fps loss is minimal when high GPU load is really necessary.

I think that might be the design philosophy of Enduro.

 

I see where you're going and that would make sense in those 60+ FPS marks...i.e. AMD knows most laptop screens are 60hz and would not be able to take advantage of anything above 60+ FPS so they downclock the GPU - but you see a lot of games above dipping below 60 FPS and even 30 FPS.

I think it's just immature drivers. I'm going to stay the course.

 

+1. I don't think it's by design, but I think it should get better over time. Optimus had the same problem at first.

 

This makes no sense for a gamer to let theses technologies on. The FPS loss while theses are on, is unbearable.

 

Well, according to Mythlogic, the Clevo P150EM/170EM have no way of disabling Enduro. So - we don't have a choice if we're going Clevo/Sager.

 

Drivers will fix these issues. It's part of the game when you order state of the art parts -_-

 

Actually i wont use my laptop with battery on (except on travel). This doesnt concern me but i just get disapointed with theses GPU with some "brand new technologies" that you are unable to turn off. Seriously

 

I thought the Enduro problems were showing up with the laptops plugged in . .

Isn't there a manual configuration for applications for Enduro? Does adjusting this list affect the performance hit being seen?

 

Actually Enduro is a "Load Balancing" from GPU to integrated graphics (and reverse) when performance isnt/is needed by system. You can avoid this by removing battery and setting Windows Power to Maximum Performance (this method isnt this good but slightly works !) or waiting for new drivers from AMD !

 

Hmmm. For reference, I just ran the free version of 3DMark11 on the NP9170 that is spec'd in my signature, and got a score of P5640. I know very little about benchmarks, but looking at the 3DMark 11 scores on notebookcheck for the 7970, this seems in the ballpark of where it ought to be. So that makes me feel a bit better.

I would REALLY like a way to turn off Enduro as well, though. I'm not a huge fan of this kind of technology and never have been, and it makes me nervous not to be assured that I'm getting the best possible graphics performance out of the hardware that is in my machine because of some silly, buggy, incomplete technology. I *sincerely* hope that there is a driver coming that at least gives the end-user the option of utilizing this technology at their own discretion, because I find it very disquieting to hear that the notebook is simply constructed in such a way that the two GPUs cannot function without the other turned off. :/

 

so does that mean nvdia is better than ATI radeon?

 

How would you come to that conclusion?

 

Nvdia has better driver and this amd card already show sign of driver issue.

 

nvidia has similar issues with their optimus technology

 

But Radeon doesn't usually update their driver similar to nvdia

 

You don't know how easy it is to to mod/add compatibility to AMD driver. Here is an interesting note, last time when I modded the driver for SlickDude (he attempted to get the 7970m working). There was nothing in the driver that mentioned "igfx" (proxy calls for iGPU/Enduro). And turned out, he was running on the 7970m without any software/driver-related GPUs switching. The latter official driver from Dell includes it. I feel like you can either run on the 7970m alone/no Enduro or with Enduro


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how is AMD's monthly driver update different than Nvidia's?

 

That statement is completely false. AMD and nVIDIA have a regular release schedule.

The problem with Optimus and Enduro lies solely at the feet of Intel and the manufactures that aren't bypassing this design.

On the new HM77 chipset and accompanying main-boards, the discrete card is set as the SLAVE in the system. The system's default VGA card is the IGP on the CPU.

Until Clevo, MSI, ASUS, and all other manufactures that are using Intel's reference design modify their motherboards and bios to allow the user to choose which video adapter is the master, than we're all out of luck.

Playing the AMD and nVIDIA fanboi game wont make this new switchable graphics fiasco any easier.

 

Wait, the nVidia Geforce 600 mobile series also has a drop in performance when Optimus is enabled like the Radeon 7970M with Enduro?

 

so what is the point of buying this graphic card with able to maximize to its full potential? Is driver going to solve the issue? the motherboard is unchangeable isn't it?

 

A bios update might solve these issues, but we don't have anything forthcoming. A catalyst update may resolve the frame rate issue, but that's only if AMD is aware of this issue.

 

I think not

 

sounds like AMD needs to look at enduro again...

 

Lol, this is a problem with switchable graphics in general, not Optimus or Enduro. Personally, I think this is the typical NBR much ado about nothing. There's a framerate hit, but you can also get 4 hours of battery life because of Enduro. Drivers can fix the problems later on, just like drivers always improve framerates in games over time. Even with the framerate hit, the 7970m is insanely good, and certainly a heck of a lot better than my 280m.

Ideally, Clevo would have allowed us to choose the master, but that didn't happen. It is what it is.

 

Sorry Gear I don't agree. Some of those FPS hits are just too large. Enduro either needs fixing or we need a way to disable the iGPU. This is a gaming laptop, not an ultrabook.

 

Those tests were also on an Alienware, not a Clevo. One of the people who already received his P170EM benchmarked his unit and got higher benchmarks than that AW (with either Enduro on or off) on the stock clocks. We don't really know if the performance hit is that big on the Clevos.