Just Ordered my Clevo P870KM1-G

It was hard, very hard for me to decide which laptop to buy, since I am planning to spend around $3000 ~ $4000.

I've Considered Aorus X7 DT v6, Razer Blade Pro, MSI GT73, and Clevo P870KM1. While Aorus X7 DT v6 and Razer Blade Pro are slim and sexy, they do not have a lot of upgrade potential as well as I was worried about Temperature of the laptop. And since Clevo has dual graphics card and extreme amount of ports, I've decided to buy P870KM1-G

Than, I wasn't so sure which resellers to buy
I was thinking SAGER, Origin PC, Eurocom, Xidax PC, Pro - Star, AVA Direct, HIDEVOLUTION and more. I've eventually decided to buy it from Pro - Star since they had 10/10 customer service rating at Resellersrating.com (250 people voted).

My specs are

3K 120hz G-sync
i7-7700k
GTX 1080 SLI
30 days no dead pixel
2 years of warranty

So glad I bought this laptop, and I can't wait to see it!

 

Congrats. Is ProStar a Prema mod partner? Just curious if you'll be able to tweak that system.

 

Not that I know... I have no issue with Prostar, but would not have recommended them for a system like this...

OP be aware the stock P870KM1 throttles fairly hard.

 

Just the lack of control would be my worry, but I'm somewhat on the neurotic side when it comes to hardware.

 

Nothing against Pro Star, their customer service seems great but.......

I would never buy a Clevo laptop without the Prema BIOS. Period. Unless you want a crippled BIOS that gives you limited control over your machine and throttles when both the CPU and GPU are used such as in a game (by throttles, I mean the CPU throttles all way down to 2.5 GHz. So sad

Click on the spoiler >>>

Spoiler: Prema BIOS Benefits

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Anyway, what's done is done, just hope for the best and good luck with your new laptop

 

Alas, we are not.

@EORUCIGN - If you want to shoot your order number my way in a PM, I can check up on the system for you. Really hoping you like your laptop once you have it!

 

you have some of the best customer service I've seen around here. Keep it up.

 

Thanks! That means a lot coming from you, Phoenix, one of the community's biggest helping hands. I'd have to reciprocate that: Keep it up.

 

Yeah just to clarify I like you guys as well. The Prema bios just can play an important factor depending on the luck OP gets with his machine as the P870 can have quite some variation between machines. I'm glad to hear you'll check up on his system though!

 

I understand about the Prema BIOS. Prema is an invaluable contributor, and I respect that.

Thanks for the kudos, guys. We do our best.

 

I do appreciate the benefits of a mod such as Prema's. However, for the OP's information I just want to mention a few things since I also own the P870KM1-G.

1. I have no throttling issues on this laptop even at full load with SLI enabled (did many benchmarks as well as play games etc.). Many thanks to @John@OBSIDIAN-PC for the excellent thermal management job. At idle speeds, the system is completely silent and cool.
2. The ability to overclock is not limited to the BIOS. This can also be done using an utility such as Intel XTU or MSI Afterburner or perhaps even the Clevo Control Center CPU and memory overclocking (although I haven't tried this as this does not even work for me)
3. Speed Shift is indeed disabled, however I did not notice any performance issues so far in any app or game. This is one beast of a machine !
4. RAM speeds upto 3000MHZ are supported via the XMP profile in the stock BIOS
5. CSM can be enabled in the stock BIOS
6. CPU can be undervolted in the stock BIOS. There is now an option to specify "+/-" for the offset. I use a -80mv for my i7 7700K and it is stable

Overall, I love this system and have zero problems so far. Also thanks again the Obsidian-PC for their excellent support system and superb technical know-how.

Congratulations on your new laptop. Enjoy !

 

Talking about BIOS mods - I used to do some modding myself 10 years ago. Seeing how the stock BIOS can benefit from a few additional settings and Prema BIOS is only for partners, I'm tempted to revisit those old days .. At least a mod for our P870KM1

Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk

 

I would love to use Prema bios, but since I am more close to Gamer than Overclocker, I thought I would not get a huge benefit from prema bios, and that is the reason why I've bought laptop from Pro-Star rather than HIDEVOLUTION

 

Good. This is what you missed even if you're not an overclocker

Benefits of Prema BIOS:

• Fixes the biggest issue with these Clevo laptops where they would throttle the CPU as low as 2.5 GHz the moment both the CPU & GPU are under load due to current issues with the Clevo Stock BIOS/EC Firmware.
• The ability to disable other drives connected to your system without physically removing them from your laptop, this comes in handy when installing Windows as you never want to have more than one drive connected at the time you are installing Windows otherwise the Windows setup will place the boot files on the 2nd drive it sees which hurts performance and makes it a headache when creating system images or restoring since the boot files are not on the main drive.
• The ability to overclock, increase Turbo Power Limits and System IA/Core Current Limits
• The ability to enable Intel Speed Shift Technology (it is disabled in the stock BIOS)
• The ability to run RAM with speeds higher than the standard 2133 MHz. I am not talking about overclocking here, I am talking about actual RAM sticks that are rated to run at 2800 MHz for example like the G.Skill 64GB 2800 MHz kit I have. With the stock BIOS, they will not run above 2400 MHz. In the case of the P870DM3, the stock BIOS now supports up to 2666 MHz. I believe but not more, so the Prema BIOS is a must again
• Fixes the instability with the G.Skill 3000 MHz. RAM using XMP Profile 1 with timings of 16-18-18-18 where in the stock BIOS you would have constant crashes or not be able to boot altogether so you’re forced to use XMP Profile 2 which is slower with 18-18-18-18 timings.
• The ability to enable CSM for those who want to install other OSes like Windows 7
• The ability to undervolt the CPU as the stock voltage is way too high which causes the CPU to overheat much quicker and thus throttle under load.
• The ability to enable or disable CPU AES instructions or Virtualization
• The ability to disable hibernation from the BIOS
• Sets the default keyboard lights from blue to white which suits more tastes

Benefits of Prema VBIOS:

• Power throttle disabled
• Over-voltage slider enabled and adjusted (up to a maximum of 1.2v)
• Activated and adjusted thermal slider (to keep it cooler if desired)
• Core overclock slider limit raised
• Power consumption meter activated
• Fixed 3D voltage base-line in order to stabilize OCs and voltage-match both cards in SLI systems (based on average ASIC)
• Thermal protection @ 92c (once*91c are breached the system throttles volts and clocks in order to protect it)
• Protection against Furmark and Kombustor GPU burnout (AVOID those software even with stock vBIOS)!

 

Hi , what are your temps GPU temps?...

 

Hi. Sorry for the late reply.

3dmark TimeSpy benchmarks
GPU - 83 degrees max
CPU - 92 max

During gaming
GPU - hovering in the 60s or 70s, depending on the game
CPU - 60s, 70s or 80s, again depending on the game

The above numbers are with 2x GPU use with SLI enabled.

 

Your CPU is getting too hot. Your GPU(s) looks good, though.

Are you noticing any throttling?

 

No, there's no throttling in any of the benchmarks or gaming so far. As I said, 92 is the peak when CPU is at 100% Turbo benchmark. Usually while gaming the CPU temperature is in the 70s.

Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk

 

That´s a profiled OCed CPU with locked TURBO BOOST hence the temperature. You need to point that out or you will make me look bad
If you want lower temperature feel free to change your TS values or ask us and we will do it for you!

Yeah but if doing your everyday stuff your maxing at 80s then its perfect for your usage!

 

That is not correct. I run it always at stock speeds and I never use TS or any other tool/tweaks. All I have is -80mv undervolt in the BIOS. I always run my PC on Balanced mode, never on high performance.

But like I said, the high temps are only during benchmarks and still there is no throttling. Is it still bad ?

Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk

 

Oh... i see... usually the 7700K is @ -100mv, even stock voltage should be at that in BIOS, although i think we removed that from BIOS and do it with TS.

But yeah 7700K will need undervolt in ANY unit, specially if you pull 100%.
You can greatly improve performance and temperatures by tuning it more in TS, but hey if you dont need more power and if your into Stability over Power then just let it be.

It´s not BAD, it´s just how the 7700K is under 100%.

 

Your temps being in the 70s otherwise are quite good. As long as you're not frequenting 90+, you're doing alright.

 

Ok just so I am very clear here and don't make anyone look bad or something, here are the actual numbers and graph from my last TimeSpy benchmark.

CPU temperatures: As you can see, the green line is the CPU temperature which spiked to 92 just for a second in the last CPU benchmark (indicated by a red circle). But all other times during the CPU tests, it was around 89 or lower and even lower during the GPU tests. So, the average CPU temperature was I would say around 75.

GPU temperatures: The peak was 83 degrees (indicated by the blue circle). The average GPU temperatures would be less than 70.

I have monitored the temperatures for several hours or even over night during gaming and stress tests as well, using HWInfo. It's always the CPU at average in the 70s and the GPU in the 60s.
There was never any throttling or any performance drop logged or noticed.

Note: I always ran these tests on Auto Fans on Balanced mode. If I run the benchmarks on Max Fans like most people do, I am sure the temperatures will be even lower. But as long as there is no throttling or constant temperature spikes, I don't care. I just leave everything at auto.

It's one ****ing solid machine and I'm thankful to @John@OBSIDIAN-PC for the great work !

 

Nahhh don´t go on playing the nice guy now, my feelings are hurt now, nothing you say will make me forgive you.... unless you send me chocolates!

You do know that everything i write to my clients include a grain of humor right?
I just hope they will never share the chat talks.

 

Haha, I know you John and you know me too. I just wanted to be very clear so that anyone visiting this forum will not get the wrong impression. I consider myself to be very honest. If something is not right, I will say it and I don't care if it's a friend or a colleague or even a family member. So when I tell you that you did a great job, take it as a compliment because that is a 100% honest compliment

 

Nop, you need to send chocolate now... that´s your only way out of this.

 

Ran it just now - Unigine Superposition 4K - Max GPU temps 61.0

 

https://www.google.com/url?rct=j&sa...W46VVM&usg=AFQjCNHyi7NK5phEkMnytXmSBjWp9hRFWw

Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk

 

How about this ? @Prostar Computer

New TimeSpy 4K benchmark - System Performance mode, Max Fans

CPU temperature (peak) - 83
GPU temperature (peak) - 70

 

Those are some nice numbers, I'm going to have to run the benchmark on my own rig once my cooling is all setup.

 

Yea I'm not fully sure how the numbers went down 10 degrees on both CPU and GPU. May be its the max fans(my previous benchmarks were on auto fans) or perhaps latest drivers, OS update, BIOS update or a combination of all. Everything runs 10 degrees less hotter now.

Sent from my ASUS_Z016D using Tapatalk