Just put in FX 3700 in my clevo m570tu TEMP?!

I'm shocked the temp on idle is 55-60 when i ran a benchmark with Video card stability test it reached 105c in like under 1min and had to shut it down..

With my GTX 8800M it idle at 30-35 and is OC'ed and running vbios 9600 GT. While I gamet my temp reached from 55-70c.

I even use Zalman cooling pad.. thermal paste with conductivity at 1.22W/m.k. The white kind. Theres defiantly nothing wrong with my cooling system. Fans are cleaned +cooling pad.

I'm running newest Nvidia Drivers if that has any relevance.

Bummer Been waiting and waiting and this crap.. Sorry my frustration..

 

hum tryd to run the test again before i managed to click start the temp reached 77c...

 

You're seriously using a thermal pad on the GPU core itself, instead of thermal paste? I think maybe that is your problem; the pad is unable to make good contact with the GPU core, so it heats up very rapidly.

The other problem may be that you didn't put on the thermal pads for the memory chips? They're usually blue strips of this semi-sticky and kind of cold stuff that are applied to the sides of the GPU itself (hard to describe).

Good thermal paste would be Arctic Cooling MX-4. It's not electrically conductive, so if you get some of it on anything besides the core, you won't kill your card.

Oh I believe the height of the memory chips' pads are 0.5mm for the M570TU in case you need to order some online.

 

Iv done it just as you should do it. Thermal paste is on the CPU... The pads are still on the memory chips. The Heatsink still got its pads too. Thermal paste am using is Arctic Cooling MX-2.

I'v checked 3 times over it now in details and everything is as it should be. Gonna end up refunding it. Gotta be something wrong with it.

 

Let's get something straightened out first: when you say both the GPU and heat sink have pads... do they both have pads all in the same place, or are some pads on the GPU, and some stuck to the heat sink? Post a pic.

If the memory chips' pads are on the GPU itself, then the reason your GPU core is getting so hot is because the middle of the heat sink that makes contact with GPU core is unable to make contact with the core, since the combined height of the pads is 1mm (0.5mm x 2).

Try removing the pads on the heat sink, and use only the ones on the GPU if this is the case.

 

Well, the 3700M does run hotter than the 280M so I am not surprised.

 

Your heatsink is not contacting the GPU die. Period. That is what is wrong. The card is probably in brand new condition, other than you having gotten it to 100c already.

Can you seriously not understand that you have done something wrong?

The distance between the vRAM and the actual copper needs to be no more than 1mm

Adding another strip of thermal pads was a horrible idea and could definitely be your problem. More is not better! You can't just put as much stuff on the heatsink as is humanly possible!
They need to be replaced, not added to...

If your sure they are the right thickness, you might just need to put more pressure on the GPU. Start up the laptop and try pushing on the heatsink to see if it has any effect.

Thats really not a relevant or good thing to say at all. Its obvious this has nothing to do with nanometers.

And... you're wrong. 3700m idles better.

 

I recently flashed my GTX 280m to a FX3700m (because will give it to one who owns a M570RU) to see if it works, and I read a lot about the fx3700m - and one thing was that the card would shut the notebook down if it reaches 76° - I think Kaltmond was the one who first reported it.
That doesn´t seem to be the case here - anyone knows anything about that?

 

Thanks for the replays. My fan thats cooling the GPU Heatsink weren't running. After I disabled it and used some compressed air it runs again. But yeah its still running pretty hot as Blacky said. IDle is at 40-50c if i run a benchmark i can get up to 90c.

Really disappointed about buying it my GTX 8800M Scores more in 3dmark then my FX 3700M.

And I modified the inf to FX 3700m. And that didn't make much different maybe because i used the latest driver?


So i guess my last option is to risk a Vbios flash.

This is the card.

NVidia FX 3700M 1GB Clevo D901C Video Graphic Card - eBay (item 150560626368 end time Apr-09-11 16:05:31 PDT)

Says its for a clevo so i would asum doing a Vbios flash should go fine?

AIm struggling about what Vbios of the GTX 280M can be used on what pc.? Or if its even the Bios that determs it. Iv flashed my GTX8800m That whent great since i got the same vbios that Teriok had used.

So what should i look for regarding what vbios will fit my pc?

 

WoW you have totally misunderstand what Iv said.. Everything is as it was from the factory. I got no extra Thermal pads. There are thermal pads on the heatsink that cover the Memorys. And 2 more pads inside. All i did was repasting.

 

About what I read you can flash your fx3700m to GTX 280m if the vBios ends up to .10.
I flashed my GTX 280m to both the .08 and .10 vBios and both worked great, didn´t see any difference.
BTW I get the same scores and can overclock the same with the flashed FX3700m vBios.
Since that is working well, if you should give it a try, here is the original GTX 280m vBios of my card, sold for the M570TU.

 

Awsome! Thank you.

 

Then it is an ACPI issue? Your fan didn't react correctly? That may be caused by the unfit vbios or MB bios.

Post a picture of your card, because the picture in your link refers to a Lenovo FX3700m other than a clevo one.

The picture I post below is a clevo FX3700m which was in an auction on ebay and I failed in the bid war.....damn...

 

I'm not gonna bother opening it up again but it didn't look the same you had a lot more aluminium stuff on it. My had northing like that. And the holes looked different. But the Vram and all where the same places.

I flashed without any problems to GTX 280m But after I installed the newest Nvidia driver for the GTX 280m. ANd restarter looked everything perfect untill after I logged me in. Suddenly the screen got greenies and blacket out and in.

Actually tryd 3 times to get in after log in. Were so happy. Is it because i'm using wrong drivers this happens? Using the newest GTX 280M drivers. Any idea why this is happening? It works just fine now.
Maybe I have to edit the GTX 280M Voltage?. Or use som spesiall driver?

Well I need sleep been up way to long with this now.

 

What original vBios version do you have?
Seems that your card can´t be flashed to a GTX 280m, but you really could give it a try and flash it to 8800m GTX/ 9800m GT and then overclock.
I don´t think you will have problems to get a screen, the worst case would be something like you experienced with the GTX 280m flashing...
It can´t be a driver problem, than I would have had problems, too.

 

BIOS Version: 62.92.5C.00.05. Its labled as a Clevo D901C Video Graphic Card at Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...26368&ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT#ht_2329wt_1139.

He also states

The card looks just like the card on the picture on the ebay site. And after Saltius showed picture of hes clevo card it sure as hell isnt a clevo card.

I have a OC'ed GTX 8800m flashed to 9800m GT. And it out preforms this for now atleast. Witch is depressing. I bought this to upgrade. Seeing folks showing scores on 13000 on 3dmark06 on this card I whent for it. OC'ing this card witch is already running preety hot is that so smart?

Have you tryd the Modifing of Inf file for the drivers? Read that it does that same job as Flashing it. But you have to change the ID or what it is every time you gonna play? since the driver chance the ID's all the time? I Really dont know what am talking about now but im sure iv read something about this.

Iv tryd doing this but haven't seen any difference mabe iv done it wrong. Anyway I think i should refund this, this wasn't what i ordered.

 

Hi,

I meant the original vBios from the FX3700m.
The card at stock clocks should score a little less than 280m because of the clocks
GTX 280m stock (HE version): 583 (core), 1450 (Shader), 800 (Memory)
FX 3700m stock: 550, 1375, 799

I did a run on 3DMARK6 with FX3700m stock clocks (CPU: X9100) and got about 11.300 points... so maybe your card is still throttling down and become too hot?

I would try the 9800m GT oder GTX vBios on the card and then raise the clocks first to 3700m clocks and then to GTX 280m and see what happens.
Maybe you can go higher. Depending on the Voltage (Fx3700 1,03 Volt standard).

 

I tryd this and am using rivertuner and Vbios 9800GT Rivertuner is maxed on

575(core) 1150(Shader) 455(Mem)

So i couldn't even reach FX 3700 stock also when i applied the clocks my Display driver stopped working.

MAn o man. THanks for sticking in there appreciated it a lot. im so stressed over this... Using way to much time on something that should be plug and play! So I dont knowwhats next. Gonna call the dude from Ebay and se what he got to say.

 

Wow you guys are stupid! Why are you trying to flash vbios??? Isn't it a heat problem??

Overclocking these cards is smart because we do not fail horribly at keeping the temps under control... I don't know what you're doing wrong but the fact that your performance is worse now is not anyone elses fault...

The guy on ebay wont have anything to say. Why would he have an m570tu?
the card is not the problem... neither is the vbios...

 

FX3700M from HP has been a con as of now for me..gained almost nothing from my 9800M GT except max temp lowered to 69° max..
I've not even found surely stable frequencies because my stress tests are NOT ok with 560 1400 892 (on XP at least)

flashed 280M vbios on my original .10 card gave me exact same situation of screen f***ed up as driver loads..but my system is an RU and 280M is NOT officially supported.

IMHO, there's a problem with your system bios... have you loaded the latest version for your system??
and cooling heatsink??

I think I should buy a new thermal pad for mem (rated @ 800Mhz ) have you any suggestion??

 

Ahem - I really like the tone in this forum normally, and this is of course NO appropriate tone!
Didn´t you read what he wrote earlier:
"Thanks for the replays. My fan thats cooling the GPU Heatsink weren't running. After I disabled it and used some compressed air it runs again. But yeah its still running pretty hot as Blacky said. IDle is at 40-50c if i run a benchmark i can get up to 90c."

Well, 90° is a little high, but not THAT bad if it´s not running hotter anymore...
At least he shouldn´t get less points in Benches as with his 8800m GTX.
And: After all I read, you flashed a lot and tried a lot by yourself - don´t you think other people can try that by themselves?
The guy on ebay wrote that "people who know what they do can flash the card to 280m GTX". Well, that maybe true, but if it´s not working when it´s flashed, then
a) there is more modification needed than just flashing oder
b) it just doesn´t work.

 

I fixed the heat problem. Iv read all you done with this FX 3700M cards and I believe it was 1 out of 5 that the flash worked on? My problem now is to make it preform better then my current GTX 8800M. Also dont you think the dude from ebay is giving wrong facts? Even you found out that the .10 is the only one that it can work on.

Iv had so much positive out from this forum its an awesome community and Niff you dont call anyone stupid if the facts isn't right. Your a dude that impresses me with your knowledge.

Question: Will driver disabling happen if i do the clocks in the Vbios?

And have anyone Modified the inf files for it to GTX 280M?

 

Did you raise the Voltage at the vBios? I think you can go up to 1.03. Right now I don´t know what the standard voltage is at 9800m GT vBios, so that could be a reason.

I justed testet some more to see a difference between the FX3700m vBios (.10) and the GTX 280m vBios, and after a run of 3D Marks 06, I got this result:

GTX 280m vBios, OC 600-900-1550 @ 1.03 V, 12379 points, highest temp @ 78°.
FX 3700m VBios, same OC, same V, 12533 points, highest temp @ 82°.

Same driver, just did flashing the vBios.

So there IS a difference in the Vbios that affects both power and temp...
Both vBioses run stable. I can play whatever I want, no freezes etc.

And so I think it´s an interesting think to try different vBios versions in order to find the best possible working with a card...

 

Could you link your FX 3700M Vbios iv managed to save 280m on my Backup.Rom

 

I got the vBios from Niff... right from here:
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/463385-np5793-screen-black-15.html#post7066328

 

I cant get it higher then this. My Temps are perfect between 55-65c.

Pic of OC and Score.

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If i go higher the display driver will disable.

Atleast am almost 1k improvment from my Gtx 8880M

 

Yeah, someone wrote that the FX3700m are not very good overclockers.

Well, that are 1000k more at 3D Mark06, but I think the improvement overall will be more than the score is showing.

BTW, what CPU do you have? 3DMark06 is very CPU-demanding...

 

Hey Worseelite, Tirenz, could you remember me wich card PHYSICALLY do you have guys ?? I'm not understanding anything anymore (too much study..)!

My HP .10 FX3700M couldn't go higher than 560 1400 900 truely stable! And I don't think that 1.03v is enough to reach 600 1500. No way!

 

Hi oile,

yes, ít has to be confusing, because I have a original GTX 280m!
I only flashed it initially because I will soon give it to someone who owns a M570RU (I have the M571TU).

With Nibitor I can´t go higher than 1.03V on both vBioses without editing some binary stuff (have no clue about that), and my GTX280m runs stable with both vBios at 610/900/1550 (no shutdowns etc., only the temps go close to 91° sometimes...)

 

Ahhh ok! Then it's normal.
280M GTX has its own voltage IC wich uses 1.05v when "1.03" or "1.06" is called by a different vbios.
And worseelite,
You are VERY LUCKY (and owner of a Lenovo FX 3700M I suppose..) if you could reach those freq STABLE in a M570RU-U !!

 

the Lenovo kind is not that hard to find. They have bigger yellow resistors at the top.

If anyone thinks my knowledge is impressive, one of the first things they should know is that vBIOS will very rarely fix heat problems.

I have had this laptop and 90c is still more than it should be. Look at oile's temps. So I just don't understand why we are trying to flash vBIOS here at all.

If someone says, hey, I want to flash vbios for the heck of it, then thats fine. But its just random to have heat issues and then decide to flash vbios and see if it fixes it.

 

Hey Oile! My CPU is an P8600 @ 2.4. Not been able to OC it the closest I came with SetFBS was ICS9LPR363EGLF witch is for the M570RU. I could only OC memory.

Am abit confused on what voltage i need increase? I see in Niff's Vbios.

Extra is set to 1.03v
Rest is set 0.85v.

Its a M570TU for me. Am not far behind you on the clocks. Im Just hoping I could get at least 11000 out of it in 06.

Wouldn't mind share your Vbios?

 

Man.. Well lets see I bougth the FX 3700M To Flash it to an 280M GTX. After reading about it here at NBR it became "known" as an cheap alternative upgrade.

So I had heat issues and started this thread and solved it. Instead of starting a new one this thread became about flashing the FX 3700M so your connections are abit off.

 

........See what I mean??

People are confused... why give them specific advice when they don't know why they are doing it...

If you took a little more time to learn about these things, you would understand. First of all, the reason 280m is better is PHYSICAL. If you can change the card physically then let me know.
Changing vBIOS does NOT increase performance. This is another PHYSICAL thing. There is NO way to make these cards run at more than 1.03v unless it is a Lenovo card. Therefore your overclocking limit is probably below the gtx 280m clockrates and performance.
If you change the BIOS to 1.05v it will have little to no effect.

Also, vBIOS will NOT affect your CPU! It has NOTHING to do with it!

There have already been multiple threads on flashing these cards. There is nothing that we don't know, nothing left to be figured out. If it has the .10 sticker then it will work.

oile probably paid nearly 400$ for his x9000 instead of your 100$ p8600. THAT is why it isn't running at 3.2ghz.

You can overclock it. this thread topic is going randomly, but fine...
You have to use the PLL that works for m860tu.
http://forum.notebookreview.com/sager-clevo/456650-m860tu-setfsb.html
You will be able to hit about 9x287.5mhz= 2.6ghz. You can downclock your RAM as well, change it to 1066mhz cas 9. Look for a guide on taiphoon burner.
Then you will probably be able to hit 9x333mhz= nominal 3.0ghz

I'm just trying to help you and provide information, and you honestly seem to be pretty confused about what you're trying to do.

 

I'm here learning asking stupid questions and appreciating that you guys take your time to pass on your knowledge.! Its just that the way you have posted in this thread has always been some picking and I don't get that. I Just wanted to get the best out of my FX 3700M thats all to it. If it could been flashed to a 280m GTX I was sure I would gain a performance increase. But obviously not. Just been so much about this lately and it was a cheap upgrade I thought.

Thanks a lot for the PLL!

That I seriously did know!

 

Well, I don´t think EVERYTHING is known.
Read what Oile did wrote about flashing his 3700m with .10 vBios with GTX 280m vBios?

See what I mean? It doesn´t always work!

And: There are performance differences with different vBios versions. Sometimes they are not to take note of, sometimes they do. As you can get several different vBios versions for the same card and there will be some differences.
And my card seems to run a little better with the FX3700m vBios, although it´s an original GTX 280m, what is curious. In any test and game I did, I got some more points/ FPS than with the original vBios... So why not try different vBios?
One thing no one has an answer for seems to be: There are some FX3700m out that will shutdown the notebook when they reach 76° - anything known about that? I read that about a card of Kaltmond and in another forum.

@worseelite: The CPU should be ok for most games, but in Benches like 3DMark6 it makes a huge difference. If I overlock my X9100 from 3,06 to 3,46 GHz´. I´ll get 500 points more. So you can imagine what difference there would be if you got an X9100 or even x QX9300...

 

Well, one reason not to try it is because the 280m isn't supported by the ru, lol.
I think that explains what happened, also he may have forgotten to increase the voltage.

Kaltmonds card was ES. Many you can tell by a green wire on the board, some have it, his didn't. He thus told a lot of people the Lenovo cards did not work.

 

No, I already tested many, many things in a M570RU, as the 9800m GTX and GTX 280m. They will run with a modified vBios (in other case you just can do any 3D thing...) but still beep 30 seconds at every startup.
The standard voltage for the GTX280m is 1v - I don´t think that´s the reason it didn´t work, only if it was below that.

 

Obviously I did the 1.05v in the throttle mode (seems the mxm-upgrade's way to make them "work" in RU) on the 280M modified bios. But maybe I can do other tries, I have some free time now

However I've mistaken..reading the title (LoL Forgive my brain full of history) I understood that he's using M570TU and Lenovo card so there's really no surprise in having such HIGH (I repeat, you are lucky to use this card at those freq !!)

 

is lenovo fx 3700m working on M570RU-U? i got the latest Sager bios update