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    M57RU - major colour bleed in non-native res

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by antic, Apr 3, 2008.

  1. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    I had this problem with an HP 8710 I'd previously bought. Having changed to an M57RU, it's still there! Please can someone check their own lappy to see if this problem is common or just my bad luck?

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    These images are actual photographs taken of the screen. M57RU on right, my old ASUS M6N for comparison on left. Notice the colour "bleed" (top-right image) of the M57RU in 1280x768. If I go below 1280x720, the bleed effect disappears and colours are sharp and clean again (bottom-right image).

    It's bad from 1280x720 upwards. Native res is fine, of course.

    Is this the same for all M57RU's or just mine? I'd really appreciate some confirmation or otherwise - I need to work in lower res's when doing web design and can't use this machine if it's going to behave like this. :(
     
  2. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Why would you not use native resolution?

    You can then make the font and themes larger by increasing the DPI in the Advanced Settings of the videocard (under General tab).
     
  3. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    Lots of reasons. But can you help me with this?

    [ed] For eg. designing web sites, the flexibility is useful. Being able to see what my clients see, testing templates in different resolutions, etc. But I don't want to get into that discussion here, it's not the problem. My old laptop (and every other one I've seen besides the HP) works 100% in various resolutions. The only common thing is the GPU (HP's was the Quadro 320 / 8700M)..

    Can you confirm yours behaves like this too? It'll only take a minute to check.
     
  4. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Actually I do work on HTML using Dreamweaver with my WUXGA... its awesome.

    I also do do Pro-Audio and 3D rendering.

    The high resolution is great for workspace.

    a reason for the color blurs is that if you are going to not use native resolution, you should choose a resolution that has the same ratio.

    Example:
    - 1920 x 1200 = 16:10
    ... therefore you should use a resolution that has 16:10, like 1280x800

    And look into the Nvidia Control Panel, these "bleeds" of yours are due to the scaling... which is handled by the drivers.

    I would seriously reconsider using native resolution, I will never go back after having such a high resolution for work.
     
  5. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    No I don't think that's correct. That doesn't explain why it works perfectly in 800x600, 960x720, 1024x640/768 - basically anything below 1280x720. Did you view the pic I posted? It shows that explicitly.

    So I take it yours shows that colour bleed effect also? I really need that verified.

    [ed] the reason I think this may be a fault, is that it does work fine in some res's and not in others. That's why I need to find out if my machine is the only one doing this or if it's the same with all M57RU's. I mean, you'd expect that if a system can change resolutions, it would do it properly, not bork it. Up until recently, I've never seen any LCD panel not work in non-native res. Sure they blur a little due to antialiasing, but never this pronounced colour bleeding effect.
     
  6. dexgo

    dexgo Freedom Fighter

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    the lower the res you go the crappier it's gonna look.

    it will always look best at native res.
     
  7. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    No, not quite. It looks perfect (in terms of colour bleed) in any res BELOW 1280x720, as said in my original post. But I need to know if this is just my machine or a common problem of the 8x00 GPUs.

    I just need someone - anyone with an M57RU and/or 8x00 GPU - to do this simple test: Go into 1280x768 or higher and look at the Firefox home page and tell me if the red colour of the "Firefox" logo is bleeding (as in my photos) in that resolution. Then switch to say 800x600 and look at it again, and it should look perfect again, all bleed gone. That's what I'm experiencing.

    Thanks if anyone can help.
     
  8. kind3r

    kind3r Notebook Consultant

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    I tried different resolutions (I have 8800 gtx) and no bleeding for me mate (the pic attached is @ 1024x768). Maybe it is a problem with your drivers ... hope u'll solve it
     

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  9. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    Kind3r, thank you for taking the time, however as I described, the effect is only evident in resolutions from 1280x720 and above. In 1024x768, mine also looks fine. It's a weird problem.

    Can you try looking at it again in say 1280x768 and let me know?
     
  10. M3z3iAs

    M3z3iAs Notebook Consultant

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    I don't see any colorbleed on mine, unless that I zoom in on the screenshot, but tbh, that occurs even in the screenshot taken in native res.

    Ive added 2 screenshots, one in 1360*768 and one in 1920*1200 (native)

    Edit:
    Tbh, the colorbleed you can see in the screencaps, must come from Paint, as its not there, when looking on the page in the browserwindow
    Ive just cut the pics, so you just get the Firefox text you asked for ;)
     

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  11. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    The effect is hardware, not the actual pixels... if I took a screenshot of mine, you wouldn't see anything either.. that's why I had to take actual photos of the display. It's not the pixels in memory that are "corrupting", it's more like a TV station that's not quite tuned right.. and you get a kind of shadowing around the edges.

    But if you can't see it looking at your screen, then it's not there. hmm, wonder if mine is a dud?
     
  12. antic

    antic Notebook Consultant

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    Well I finally found the problem, thanks to the patience and help of my local reseller. We checked with another Clevo of the same spec, but running Vista. It seems the fault is with the XP version of the Forceware drivers. In Vista there is no corruption in any res.

    Not sure what my options are now.. this is the problem when there's no competition in the market - nVidia is everywhere and if they're not interested in fixing their XP drivers, people who still use XP don't have an alternative.

    I'll try bring the issue to nVidia's attention via support, and also raise it with the Omega drivers guy and see what he thinks.
     
  13. SgtSlaughter

    SgtSlaughter Notebook Geek

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    Wow something all the Vista users can finally bash the XP users with huh? ;)

    Thanx for the info antic.......