M860ETU and BEST QUAD option for it.

I have been pouring over all the SAGER/CLEVO threads trying to find a definitive answer on which Quad is a better fit/upgrade for the M860ETU with 260 GTX.
Sorry ahead of time if this has already been addressed.
Some posts say they got a QX9300 working with NO problem with any heat related issues but I have also seen other posts were they say the QX9300 is not a good match with the M860ETU.Runs hot.
So first question is:
Can the QX9300 work in the M860ETU without any heat related issues of lets say a Q9000 or Q9100 without any modifications to the heatsink?
Is there a problem with the heat sink covering the QX9300's two dies?
Would a small/thin piece of copper alleviate that if it is a issue? ( Just small and thin enough to fit without squishing the heatsink into the CPU too much)
I have seen some really cheap Q9200 ES's with EO stepping for sale, are those a better match than the QX9300 (heat wise)? Or will they suffer the same issues of the QX9300?
( Q2000 ES's are more than half of what the QX9300..... and yes I'm a cheapskate)
All quads run at 45W so they should put out the same amount of juice/heat, right?
So is the Q9200 a better match than a QX9300 for the M860 ETU( besides one running at a extra .13 GHz)
My heart keeps telling me to get the QX9300 but my brain say's get the Q9200 ES.
The few extra GHz the QX9300 has can't perform that much better than a Q9200 can it.
Please people help me get this straightened out before I order my laptop and start kicking myself in the butt for not ordering a good match for the M860ETU.
THANKS.

 

Well the Q9200 was never released as an actual chip and their might be a reason for that... however I can say with some certainty that yes you can install the Qx9300 without much of a problem... the people who were talking about heat issues were installing GTX 280m as well, silly people

 

The 260M GTX has more than enough power to run what I want.
1 for Qx9300.
Thank for the answer + rep.

 

qx9300 run fine in the machine .... even if it runs alittle to hot for you then undervolt it

undervolting guide

and the CPU and GPU uses the same fan so coupling it with the 280 never worked well

A 260 will produce a little less heat so it will run a little cooler ..

the q9200 will work just fine
Its a great chip and the best buy on ebay

 

The face of the heatplate is more than big enough to cover eight dies. The heatplate also rests near perfectly flat over the two dies so there is no reason to put a copper shim in there. Putting more material inbetween the dies and the heatplate will lower efficiency. However, putting more material outside, well you know what I'm going to say.

Also, because you are planning to stay with the GTX 260M, you are not going to run into power issues when you drop a QX9300 in there. If you can find a QX9300 for a good price, I'd say jump on it.

 

So far 3 people have suggested the QX9300.
I'm liking what I'm hearing so far.

 

Lol I see you have a sager 9262... and yet you want to take a hit in performance by dropping down to a 15" ?

 

I initially planned to install a Q9100 or Q9200, but after seeing that they could perform worse (in terms power consumption and heat production); I decided to go for the QX9300 instead.


I say get a QX9300.

 

Q9200 for best bang, QX9300 for the best-
GTX260 and QX9300 is ok -

 

I have the QX9300 w/ 260M and heat is fine... I do have a 256GB SSD instead of a regular drive, so that might help...

Basically idle temps in the pic.

 

IKAS V I have been doing the same as you for 2 months now before I finally decided to get the QX9300. My mind was stuck on the T9900 but from the threads posted, the 260M + QX9300 seem to work fine. users with a 280M complained about power shortages and I got a little worried. I then came across some posts that the 260M uses less power and I was a little more confident. Seeing many other users with a QX9300 just finally made me decide to jump on it. CLEVO M860TU + 260M + QX9300 = WIN!

 

And I was about to buy the laptop with a q9000...

How much is a qx9300 and what do you think it will be in the future, say one year from now? And where would I find one?

 

the cheapest qx9300 goes for $520 on ebay. i cant say for sure how much it will cost in the future but it should be much cheaper. you could also get a q9200 for about $250 with the compromise of .13Mhz.

edit: if you decide to go the q9200 path, buy QAVR AVOID QAJF. i repeat avoid QAJF!

 

The biggest advantage of the QX9300 is the oc ability, and I wouldn't oc that in a M860, I think... I say go with the Q9200.

 

Good choice!

It's been funny with people quoting $250 for them on eBay I've been wondering where they all are. I think NBR members have been buying them so quickly I haven't had a chance to peek at one.

 

Sorry for hijacking the thread....lol.

Back on topic,
Whats bugging me is that the q9200 is an ES... So the main/only difference between a q9200 and qx9300 is the clock speed? If so, then it seems like a no-brainer to go for the q9200...

 

Apart from the clock speed, the main difference is that the QX is easier to overclock. And - I'm not sure about this - but the QX has a higher internal bus speed?

 

correct. if my memory serves me well, the q9200 is an extreme processor as well. it came up on someones cpu-z as qx9200.

it's easier to overclock because the multipliers are unlocked.

 

Exactly. Am I right about the bus though?

 

no bus speed is the same

 

Is it even worth it to overclock a qx9300 in an m860etu? How much would one be able to overclock before the temps get too high??

 

well 2.53GHz is more than enough to play the current games on the market without a need to overclock. the m860tu however does not allow you to overclock. people have had success using setfsb with a gain of 200MHz, it wont overclock by no than that. i think 5482741 got his qx9300 to 2.73Ghz using setfsb, but i'm assuming he is using ram @ 1333mhz instead of 1066mhz. ram @ 1333mhz in the m860tu is better for overclocking since setfsb raises both the fsb of the cpu and ram.

 

So overclocking on both q9200 and qx9300 are minimal. That means the only real difference in terms of using it with an m860etu is the clock speed, which is minimal. Since there is a 1/2 ratio of price, why did so many people choose the qx9300?

Im just trying to understand everyone's reasoning of paying double for a .13 ghz increment.

 

it's about having the best. i play FSX & video editing. .13Mhz matters to me. thats 2-5 frames for me and that's a big difference.

from 5482741's post you can see another reason why people chose the qx9300.

 

Because there are other, more oc friendly machines than the M860 to put that processor in?
And some people just simply want the best they can have, no matter the cost.

 

So I'm guessing the QAJFs don't have temp sensors?

 

no they don't

 

Here's what I was referring to with my previous post.

I assumed this meant the QX9300 would be more efficient than the Q9100 and Q9200; which cemented my decision to purchase the QX9300.

 

Ah yes.
This can also explain why some people report that an i7 975X runs cooler than lesser i7's ... on stock clocks, that is.

 

i saw that article. that's exactly what it means. I'm so happy i went the qx9300 path

 

i hear that its not possible to overclock the Qx9300 and in most cases has to run at 2.3 or 2.4 via downclocking and undervolting to be stable 100%.

why not just get a 2.93 Ghz T9800 Duel.. and overclock it to 3.3.

how would a T9800 duel at 3.3 compare to a QX9300 at 2.4-2.5 in say GTA4..

i have a feeling that the T9800 would win... even with the lack of 2 extra cores.


if you really want a Quadcore sistem i would recomend waiting for a newer revision of i7.. but yer

T9800 vs Qx9300 (and respective overclocks).. any one have any data.. i would be quite intersted.

 

I have tested GTA IV with my QX9300 at 2.13GHz with all four cores, and at 2.93GHz with two cores disabled. The slower quad is faster than the faster dual core in GTA IV.

 

My QX9300 has been quite stable so far:

 

I'm fairly certain that H-Emmanuel already showed that the QX9300 causes more of a strain on this system than the Q9100/Q9200. They'll all work, so it doesn't matter, but the only tests you should go buy are the ones run with this specific notebook. I won't even touch on the credibility of notebookcheck...

My vote goes to the Q9200. The extra .13MHz isn't worth the +$100, when the QX9300 can't be overclocked worth anything. You'll be much better off overclocking the GPU, because you can't do both.

Just forget CPU overclocking in the M860ETU.

 

Very Great mind and suggestion

/thread

 

what software do you use to disable 2 cores and overclock a QX9300 to 2.93?

some thing nicer than RMclock im sure. it doesnt even suport my duel

links?

what performance diference are we talking about ( i only really am intersted in GTA4 quad gaming benchmarks as its the only game i trust rockstar to have properly used the Tricore cpu of the 360... i see alot of suposed 3-4 threaded games not doing what they say they do).

i still think a maxed out high end duel core at 3gigs + would out perform a 2.4-2.5 quad with ease just like in any desktop.. show me the numbers!

 

I believe you can set the affinity of programs via task manager, and you use the bios to overclock (it's locked in the M860ETU though). Silent mode should limit the QX9300 to 2.13ghz.

 

You can use Task Manager in the Operating System to disable individual Cores or affinity.

I always wonder about the QX9300 and ask myself whether the 2.5 Ghz Clocks in the QX9300 compared to the 2.0 Ghz Clocks of the Q9000 will make a significant difference in gaming performance at those high resolutions of 1680 X 1050.

When you consider that the gaming performance of the Q9000 paired with the GTX260M is no slouch I wonder whether you are really getting any significant gains.

It would be great to see real life gaming performance of the QX9300 Vs the Q9000 and higher clocked Core2Duo's.

It is very easy to get carried away with higher clock rates but it is the GPU that will make the most difference as we know.

 

Didn't H-Emmanuel say that the Q9200 wasn't better than the QX9300, but that it was worst than the QX9300?

I don't remember him saying anything positive about it.

 

yes he did.

 

I know he was frustrated because when he also had problems undervolting the Q9200, but he said the same exact things about the QX9300.

So you can just pick whichever you want. Keep in mind that most of his issues came from the combination of C2Q + 280M, and you'll only successfully undervolt the CPU if you're comfortable with pin-modding.

I was incorrect in saying that the QX9300 was worst.

 

So it comes down to Q9200 vs QX9300 but in reality you can't go wrong with either, but price differences are part of the equation too.
Forget OEM/Retail Cpu's, the prices are just insane.
Ebay is still the most frequent place for me to look to buy(Shirley's QX9300 for $500+) but there has been a run on QX9300 and are getting harder to find.There was one just the other day that was around $100 less but was gone the next time I visited. I was still lost as to which one was the best match, performance ratio/cost.
First choice price be damned QX9300 it is.
Consolation prize Q9200. + performance hit is negated by being about half the price of the QX9300.
Any other reliable places to look for QUADS?

 

I'll be on the look out for a <$450 deal for you, IKAS V. http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=399122

 

Thank you
I'll be keeping an eye on that thread

 

Don't have any issue with Win 7 RC x64 and RMClock on "Voltage case". Nothing is jumping anywhere. Everything is stable. CPU is QX9300 : 2.53GHz @ 1.062V

 

That's really great to see forum members running a QX9300 with no problems.
@ h0w1er how are the temps when over volting the CPU? Does your GPU get warmer also?

 

Overvolting? I undervolt it to 0.1V ... It's not really do anything... 0.1V will not save the whole picture, so it's almost the same as basic.

About temps: http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=375196&page=6 and after.

 

I meant undervolt...sorry
That's what happens when you get no sleep...lol
But it does not affect the temps to much?
After looking at the other thread I noticed some strange results.
Taping some vent holes cooled it that much I'm extremely surprised
Is this a good idea or do you risk damaging your laptop?

 

How it can affect?
Other vendors, as DEPO for example selling it with almost all holes taped, except a little holes for cpu and gpu and a big one for hdd.

 

If i get a q9000, do you think I will be able to overclock it .2ghz? Because 5482741 was able to do it with a q9300 and if yes, then i think its worth it to get a q9000; 2.2ghz quad isnt that bad until I upgrade to a qx9300 when prices go down.

EDIT: What kind of ram would I need? 1333mhz?