M860TU/8660 to use new GTX 260M

http://www.clevo.com.tw/en/e-services/Download.asp

Check at the bottom of the drivers list ;D

Wonder if they'll offer upgrades or if its even worth it Nvidia's reported benchies are kinda fishy.

Ugh Can't link it directly

Look up the M86XTU model and look up VGA drivers


It seems the 5790's might be getting a new ATI Card its the driver is listed as ATI M98XT but I dunno what that could be it might just be an update to a card Im not recognizing

Dunno if this has been posted already I haven't visited in a long while but Figured it would be nice to give people the heads up! Sorry if it has!

 

haha! Nice find!

Btw: M98XT = Mobility Radeon 4870 with GDDR5 Memory.

 

well this may mean only one thing that nvidia maybe will make MXM 2.0 version of the new cards then we can upgrade it will be very cool if that is the case

 

well i found something too M57xTU video driver for ATI M98XT this will be the new ATI mobile models like 4870

 

Ugh kinda wish I had bought the 5790 instead of the 8660 since its getting the 4870 but I'm still extremely happy with my 8660

 

YES! 4870 - nice. Now for the pricing cause I know I paied an arm and a leg for the 9800M GTX. I wonder how much I will be charged for upgrading from a 9800M GTX to 4870 ?

 

Do we know why the 4870 isnt listed for the M860? Because we "found out" it would physically fit in the laptop, didnt we? Heat issue? Need too much power?

 

No we don't know why the 8660 doesn't have the 4870.All we are doing is assuming that these models will have these cards as on the Clevo video drivers page the drivers for these cards are listed

 

Well, they are just at the begining. Wait to see what happens. Maybe more video cards will be supported.

 

if clevo will not be release the cards for this model they will not upload drivers for them

 

GREAT GREAT NEWS...thx

 

What about the M570RU? Will it be able to take a 4870?

 

how does the 260m compares with the 8800m gtx?

 

I dont know what the differences between the RU and the TU are but currently the 4870 drivers aren't listed for the RU on the clevo website. Clevo might still do an upgrade of the RU into a TU but that might just be wishful thinking as I don't know what the differences between the models are.

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/213/1051213/nvidia-gt200m-gt100m-slides-described
This is the only refrence to the benchmarks atm however the way they are described makes them seem like more of marketing hogwash than actually improvement.
Remember the 260M and 280M are just 8X00 architecture based like the 9X00M were just rebranded 8X00. The benchmark slides are also not public atm I believe.
Basically the 260M and 280M are 8X00 die-shrunk and clocked higher.

 

According to Nvidia, the 260M will be a higher clocked 9800M GTX with a smaller die size. The 9800M GTX and 260M still have more shaders than the 8800M GTX/9800M GT.

So it's a pretty good upgrade from the current M860TU GPU offerings.

 

I have compare the lasted bios version of the RU and TU and it seems that the TU use different bios from RU I wanted to look into the TU bios to see if there is support for the card but i cant opened with my Phoenix editor i use this editor when the they first release the 9800M GTX for RU and D901C to see bios support both bios contain support before the cards was released if some one can get editor for TU can check in the lasted bios version
O ya the M570TU have the same bios as M860TU i think that if the M750TU can handle the new ATI cards so the M860TU can

 

Well, it´s RU=dvi/TU=hdmi.....so i might be out of luck....

 

Great i recentrly bought a 8800m gtx and im still waiting for it....

 

That is a good sign! Ati said the power requirements are in the range of 45W-75W so I dunno. 9800MGT uses 65W and 9800MGTS uses 75W I believe.
So hopefully TDP of the 4870 might be comparable to the 9800GT or GTS so if clevo doesn't offer an upgrade its probably still possible to just slap one in without having to change the heatsink

 

Crave the Clevo laptop are with best cooling and power supplys also the 4800 series from ATI are 55nm mean less power consumption and heat
the M57xTU will handle the card no problem

 

I'll be satisfied if the 260M is my only option for upgrade. Stock clocks @ 550/1375/950 on 55nm, so it could overclock as high as 675/1650/1100. That's way beyond the 9800M GT/ A 4870 might be even better, but I'm not yet getting my hopes up for that piece.

Now let's hope Nvidia is lowering prices to compete with ATi.

 

The 4860's might be nice too when those come out they are on a 40nm process.
Something like 10% improvement over the 4850 Mobilities i've read but they should be awesome Ocers with that small process

 

ooo nice... i dont know thou.... i plan to put a quadcore in my NP8660 before i put in a new GFX card.... mabye ill just wait a year or 2 and resell this laptop and get a new one... in my country the value of my laptop has actualy gone up ALOT ... heheheheheheh

hell im even tempted atm to sell my Np8660 and get a m17... but i think ill wait... really do think ill need a quadcore CPU for gaming in a year or 2....

 

are you aware that not all quad-core cpus are compatible with the current m860tu. There's a revision of the motherboard coming though....Still if the current m860tu supports the 4870 from ati....

 

I spoke with the reseller in Norway, he said that Clevo said M860 doesnt support the new ATI cards right now. So lets hope its only a bios update we need.

 

When are the M260 and M280 available???i might still be able to exchange my 8800m gtx for the M260 i think....

 

Anandtech had an article that says Eurocom will ship the new 900F's in April so Im guessing sometime in april

 

Is there an article that compares the M260 to the 8800m gtx???
Is the M260 the equivalent to the 8800m Gtx/9800m gt???

 

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-GeForce-GTX-280M-Review.14565.0.html

No but you can guesstimate

9880M Gt has 96 shaders and runs at 500/1250/799 and has 512MB of ram
9800M GTS has 64 shaders and runs at 600/1500/800 and has 512MB of ram
9800M GTX has 112 shaders and runs at 500/1250/800 and has 1GB of ram
260M GTX has 112 shaders and runs at 550/1350/950 and has 1GB of ram

So I'd guess like 20% improvement over a GT I don't really know how to guesstimate it's performance. 260M is comparable to an OC'd 9800M GTX thou

 

The 260M is an overclocked 9800M GTX on a 55nm die.

9800M GT - 96 sp, 500/1250/800
9800M GTX - 112 sp, 500/1250/800
GTX 260M - 112 sp, 550/1375/950
GTX 280M - 128 sp, 585/1463/950

Let's hope it's cheap.

 

Lets hope it also doesnt need a new heatsink kit....and case module.....

 

The one I spoke to, said they would have it on stock at the end of March.

 

To Kevin: I will be satisfied too with GTX 260M in M860TU. I know for almost sure that 860TU will be available with new generation of nVidia GPUs.

Here is what i got from my very secret and reliable source:
"G2xx is coming for all models from D9C, M57 to M86"

I just dont know if its 260M or 280M. (I guess 90% for 260M)

This will be still huge BOOST!!!! I am just worried about nvidia price

Hope ati will make nvidia lower the prices...

 

It has come to my attention that the new 260M and 280M cards are Mxm Version 3. Currently the M86TU has MXM Version 2.1.
Mxm Slot III/IV and the Mxm Version are two different things.

As I have found out Mxm 3.0 is not backwards compatible with MXM 2.1
This leads me to believe that the M860TU's will be getting a Mobo Upgrade in order to use the new 260M's. This might be a simple revision or Might be used to upgrade other parts as well. They might add support for the 1333mhz DRR3 laptop mem out currently or other changes such as quad core :3?

You will not be able to just add in a 260M I believe

I do not know if the ATI cards are MXM 3.0 and I cannot speculate on the 5790's

Qouted from MxmUpgrade.com

November 19th 2008

And no, we don't mean Type III, we mean version three. To date, we've seen 1.0, 1.3, 2.0 and 2.1 cards in the field. It didn't seem to make too much difference. Some software changes, support for the display port format, an additional mechanical format... We've never been able to pin incompatibility issues to MXM revisions even though there are probably some cases buried in the mountain of 'no go' upgrade attempts.

MXM 3.0 is different. There will be no back or forward compatibility. The reason lies in the redefined connector, which is completely incompatible on both the electric and mechanical front. So, don't even think about 'hacking' a 3.0 module to fit in an older MXM notebook. Simply will never work. Some more info...

Features:

- Only two mechanical formats
-> Type 'A' 82x70mm, 35W TDP
-> Type 'B' 82x105mm, 75W TDP
- Up to 4 dual mode Display Ports
- 16 lanes PCIe Generation 2
- Legacy VGA support

There is actually no pressing reason in this feature set to move to 3.0 It's obviously better 'future proof' so for new designs it will most likely be the choice of preference but perhaps evolutions of existing designs will stick to 2.x for some time..

Compatibility

As said: forget about backward compatibility. Type A will fit in both Type A and Type B notebooks, which seems logical. Type B modules will be restricted to Type B notebooks, again as expected. The good thing is that they clearly took a lesson from previous experiences, which means height restrictions on the card have been clearly defined, a 'generic' thermal interface was made, a generic bracket was defined,... Odd thing is that manufacturers are explicitly allowed to stray from the board outline as long as the notebook will accept 'generic' cards! While this makes sense from an OEM point of view, it is unfortunate for end users. If vendor A makes a 3.0 card and adds some height and board area there is a very decent chance it will not fit in vendor B's notebook. This is actually very reminiscent to what we've seen with Arima cards for the board size and a horde of height restriction differences.

On the electrical side, things are comparable. While most signals are very well defined, there are a few OEM reserved pins that can be used at the OEM's discretion. They can add additional power rails, features, or a control mechanism to prevent the insertion of non-native cards. There is no guarantee that such a OEM module will operate in another 3.0 notebook. Or blow up, for all we know. It is clearly stated that 'generic' 3.0 modules will not use these pins but even then it remains to be seen if OEM's will make these pins mandatory for correct operation or not. If they want to be MXM 3.0 compliant, a generic module must operate without the additional pins.

On the software side, things are once again the comparable. A normal graphics card would always 'carry' it's own vBios onboard in a small EEPROM. In this case, the spec mentions explicitly the option to integrate it in the system bios. To be MXM 3.0 compliant, the system should be able to accept 'generic' modules with an onboard vBios. Besides that, a MXM 3.0 software spec was defined. This software structure will tell the card what display interfaces the system requires and will tell a bit about thermal limitations of the system etc. Comparable efforts where done in the past but we suspect that non-implementation, free interpretation or just bug infested implementations have been at the base of some upgrade failures in the past. We seem to see a strong push to have a uniform implementation this time.

All in all, generic modules should always work in MXM v3.0 compliant platforms but manufacturers are at liberty to add some off their own flavor to their own cards, even if they make the system v3.0 compliant. So the big question is whether the 'MXM v3.0 compliant' sticker is a big enough carrot to lure OEM's to make life easier for end users (or service centers, system integrators, boutique stores,...). The second big issue is that all graphic card manufacturers that produced 'generic' MXM cards without a specific target have stopped doing so. All the cards we ever sold were designed for a specific notebook. So even if all future notebooks are 'MXM v3.0 compliant' that may remain nothing but a nice catchphrase if no MXM v3.0 compliant cards are offered on the open market...


To be continued for sure!

 

The 280M is on preorder for the Sager 5796/5797, so there's 100% confirmed to be an MXM 2.1 version of at least that card.

 

Oh Nvidia's site only lists it as Mxm 3.0 B (B=75 Watt)
Is the preorder just for the card? Will they ship it too you? or will you have to send your laptop into them?

 

I can't give you details, but it's being discussed in this topic. Justin from XoticPC says it will drop right in and work, so it can't be the MXM 3.0 version. More details will be coming out soon.

 

Does anyone know where the GTX 260M could be purchased as an upgrade when it's released?

 

Try any of the computer re-sellers online,XoticPc,powernotebooks,etc.etc.etc...