M860TU EDGE Bench results

Moved from original thread, I think it got lost there so hopefully more Edge owners will post their results and experiences here..


Ok the Edge arrived! These bench results taken mostly at defaults with small exceptions, like some windows tweaking... Sorry it took so long, just could not stop gaming !!

3Dmark06 : 9990



PCmark05 : 7790


3Dmark Vantage : 4108 (Performance)


wPrime : 32m / 25.6sec


SuperPI : 1M / 15.7sec


HDD Tach


UT2004 : 95FPS


UT3 : 53.82 FPS @ 1920x1200

UT3 Screenie with temps!


DDR3 667 x2 = 1333Mhz
Actual Memory BUS frequency taken from 3Dmark Vantage info and also included SPD data from CPU-Z..

So far none of our tools that would normally indicate the memory operating speed supports this chipset CPU-z, Everest, etc. etc.
For Example..

Meanwhile the jury is still not entirely convinced, so more later....

Note I have HWmoitor but RealTemp used in these shots are more accurate for the latest batch of Intel Dual Cores

 

Nice benchmark results... although the CPU is a bit hotter than I would like to see in a 15.4" notebook.

make sure to use a notebook cooler to help out on the temps.

 

Sager has confirmed with Clevo that the M860TU will not support 44W+ processors or the 9800M GTX because of the thermal budget!

 

That's not considered an unsafe max temp on the CPU, is it?

 

Then this guy is obviously lying, has photoshopped these images, and thus must be working for PCMW in an attempt to make Sager look lame.

We can't have such insubordination on this Sager pro-forum. Ban the cod! Ban the cod I say! Jolly good.

 

it is very near danger zone for CPU temps... in that the CPU's lifespan will be shortened if it remains in such high temp environments.

If anything, I would recommend to undervolt the CPU to cool it down and not lose any performance.

 

Too bad killernotebooks isn't here- he's awesome at these thermal modifications and such. Tsk tsk.

NICE benches by the way. We PCMW customers have the "Edge" over our competition

 

LOL At first I thought you were joking but you guys must be looking at something else because 30 to 50 are great temps by any standards!!! For the most part The edge and it's x9100 is cooler than all but one of my desktops!! I've also seen the temps as low as 19c after sitting for a few hours (not in standby mode either) In reality I notice that you may be mislead by a couple of early benches there, in fact those couple of screen shots indicating max temps reaching above 50 were actually a result of some prime testing testing while experimenting to find what it would take to force both cores to run at their normal speed which had nothing at all to do with the benches! The time stamps of an hour prior should have given a clue! The temps indicated in the SuperPI bench justifies the the cool temps of this machine... I guess if I have time soon I'll re-run the those couple of benches just for the hell of it!


And there appears to be a lot of miss identity here too The Edge only ships with a 9800 GT

 

I guess if you look on the 2nd image from the top, the HWmonitor is showing temps of close to 90ºC on the CPU and ACPI. I guess that's what he is talking about...
The question is... which software is right? Because your other software you use is giving a much lower temps. I would vouch for HWmonitor though... and if that's the case, then yes... Your CPU is running a bit too hot.

 

ROFL ROFL

 

I see that now Thank You and have explained above why that may be misleading, it was an honest mistake... BTW HWmonitor is believed my many (whom are far more knowledgeable than I on the subject) to be inaccurate in new Intel core temps as in the E8400 for example (due in part I believe by the method of determining the Tjmax) and was the reason for the development of Real Temp Hang on I'll find the link on the issue and post it here (but it might take me a few days to find it) Even Intel keeps the temps a secret, the only temp they are concerned about is TjMax! Therefore the only temps we can be reasonably sure, are those close to the TjMax before throttling occurs.. BTW I believe TjMax is higher on these new mobile chips than on previous versions from Intel..

ADDED links here... http://forum.notebookreview.com/showpost.php?p=3897170&postcount=30

I used HWmonitor against my better judgment as a comparison only because a member had asked! additionally it does indicate GPU and HDD temps DOH I won't make that mistake twice lol

Anyway, while this is an interesting topic... why so negative? What about the BENCHES!!

 

YAY!! ty ty

 

Yes, benchies are definately AMAZING! That CPU really makes a difference...
Congrats!

BUT... good benchmark scores without stability and futureproof... it's good as nothing. So I guess that temps are really a big concearn here.

And I know that different programs read temperatures differently, but it's hard to believe that your CPU stays at 50ºC when under stress. It's just really... not possible!!!

Would you be kind enough and run Prime95 or Orthos with a CPU Stress test (Small FTTs) and show us side by side, RMclock, HWmonitor and your program?

That would be helpful...

 

Sure I'll look into that for you soon (just plz don't expect it in the next few days) PS. Stability is one thing.... Futureproof? it's a notebook!!

 

Well, I'm assuming that you have the exact same computer as others, but with the extreme processor on it. From my understanding, there is no mod added to the M860TU by PCMW and the cooling system is exactly the same.
So I don't see how your extreme CPU could be running cooler than the P9500, for example. It's simple physics... it's impossible!
Or am I completely wrong here?

 

That's too funny! A 9800 GTX which would have been nice But I'm so happy with my 9800 GT (8800 GTX) all the same...

 

I need sleep lol

So why is it impossible exactly?

 

if you want to think of it simply, putting in more energy = more heat released.
25w vs 44w+. The current lost and heat produced is directly related to how much energy is put into the system, so it's actually impossible for the extreme cpu to be at a lower temperature than the p9500.

 

There you go... Its virtually impossible for your CPU to run cooler than the P9500 with the same cooling solution. There's no doubt about it.
That's why your 55ºC under stress are a bit strange.

But I know nothing about technology!

Go and grab some sleep.

 

quick question but do you live in an ice box or are you an eskimo and live in an igloo or use the new air conditioned fans in your computer?

even my crappy fujitsu idles at a steady 35c

hopefully here in the uk we shouldnt have any problems as its always cold.

 

Canadians live in igloos because its snowing all year long What I like about my dekstop is that it produce enough heat for winter.

 

Can someone translate all the technical gibberish and tell me if this laptop can play stalker? The new one?

Thank you!

 

um.... easily.

 

Cmon. Pretty please?

 

This notebook is using a high-end videocard that can rival desktop high-end cards.

So the new STALKER has the same requirements as the previous version.

So this notebook already overkilled the system requirements.

 

That's all I wanted to know!

I love you. In a non sexual, completely gender equivalent and racially nondiscriminatory way.

 

Thanks for the benchmarks. After hearing good things from another software developer about the x9100, I've been thinking about getting some for my firm to use in software development demo's when I don't want to haul my 9262 quad core.

Phil Schaadt

 

You will not be disappointed

 

Disbelievers... lol

I don't disagree with your reasoning, but we've been living with old technology for too long.. This x9100 requires folks to view power management with an open mind. I'm not trying to say that it doesn't get hot, because it can and I've been trying to find the limit (but so far haven't been able to force throttling yet!) I'm not frighted to take it to 95 degrees (also a 5 degree change for at least this processor), I do this all the time with other rigs.. in fact frequently take my game rig which normally runs at -58c all the way to thermal shutdown triggered at 90c, probably more accidentally than intentionally but that's another story... The point is, that other than the junction temperature there is no reliable source of temp. from any Core2 processors. Only Intel knows

When one is used to working with these two extremes then somewhere in the middle seems satisfactory to me for a notebook.. I'm not in competition to see who has the coolest running rig, just passing on the benchmark results exactly as depicted on my screen for those interested in finding results of different components to help choose their next rig. Just as I did when browsing this great site a year ago..

So really what will it take to open your mind??

 

Ok maybe not the link I was thinking of.. but these couple of linkys might help in understanding the errors of core temperature readings!

http://www.techpowerup.com/realtemp/docs.php

And.

http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=179044

 

>.> not sure why people posted the scores where a lie, he ran 3dmark06 in xp...everyone else on this forum thats posted scores so far has done it in vista. Vista always takes off 200-500 points. If people with a p9500 ran the benchmark in xp they would get very similar scores.

 

Intel lists the thermal spec at 105°; why are we concerned by EE's temps?

 

I have an open mind and I think your results are wonderful.

 

So EE, how is the x9100 working out in your notebook?

 

A'aaah! Been busy gaming for so long

The x9100 is awesome, finally the notebook is not my limiting factor when gaming.. Only Ping and ability lol! Ping is especially a hindrance at hotels where I spend 50% of my life.. I'm one of those die hard UT gamers, playing on a fast passed highly modded UT servers, where a powerful processor really shines with the UT AI engine.

How accurate Intel's thermal sensors are is anybodies guess (they don't even reproduce accurately the rate of change towards TjMax temps which the chip uses to shut down or throttle the processor). With that in mind I've been using Everest Ultimate to loosely monitor temps but mainly other core features, with an unbiased TjMax the x9100 normally runs mid to high 30's C during light duties. When running at full speed (3034MHz) then temps are usually in the low 50's. After a few hours of intense gaming I see temps in the mid 60's. The lowest recorded temps are currently unavailable with the Vista OS configured to run many behind the scenes utilities.. I've seen in the past Clock speed reduced in steps of 1/2, 1/4, and even 1/8 max speed (incidentally this is where I believe I've seen the lowest temps when configured for benchmarking and left unused for a while).

CPU temps (unless overclocking, which I have really no intention to attempt on this machine) are now of no concern to me. The CPU never throttles, never shows signs of too much stress. The Fan works, albeit not the quietest during web use, during gaming however when the fan is at it's highest there is no intrusion on the game! So I don't care, the fan works and you have to remember this is primarily a gaming notebook and expect there to be some noise!! For me it's the price you pay for power...