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    M860TU still worth it?

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Julian018, Sep 24, 2008.

  1. Julian018

    Julian018 Notebook Consultant

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    I decided I want a gaming laptop and I was thinking if the M860TU is still worth it.
    I can only get the M860TU with a GTS card instead of a GT card (I ordered one only to find out GT isn't available anymore. :p)
    I just don't like the feeling of paying the same money for less performance (Although it isn't that much of a difference)

    If I order now I have to wait till early October (receive 6 october, ship around 9-12) to get it. Maybe I should wait on new gaming-laptops, also when are new gaming-laptops available? (Doesn't have to be Clevo/Sager.)
     
  2. Deathwinger

    Deathwinger Notebook Virtuoso

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    Yes its still worth it.

    The GTS is only 1% slower than the GT and right now it performance at about 1-2 FPS slower.

    However, if you are unsure about purchasing it, you can wait on the competition to bring out their laptops, but I can almost guarantee you that you won't find another 15.4" laptop with a 9800m GTS. Highest you'll probably get is a 9700m GTS.
     
  3. icehell

    icehell Notebook Evangelist

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    M860TU it is just started shipping from 20 days ago!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
     
  4. ioaniro

    ioaniro Notebook Evangelist

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    GTS from what I saw on a recent topic performs quite well and pretty much comparable in terms of fps in games with the GT. Plus you save some money. I should be getting mine with a GTS in a couple of days hopefully so if you want I can do some tests.
    On another note, I'm pretty sure if you insist and ask around you can still find resellers that offer the GT, I don't think they already took it out from all the resellers.
    Anyway, in my book the GT was not worth getting since it costs too much for too little so I guess it depends from what angle you want to look at the problem.
     
  5. 5777

    5777 Notebook Guru

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    julian

    I have the gts and it performs identically to the GT, I did the exact tests that chaz did when he benchmarked the GT and got identical results by using the same drivers.

    also last night played games for hours and without a cooler and max temp on gpu was 80.... and within 10 minutes they went down to 46 - idle temp
     
  6. Tarentum

    Tarentum Notebook Deity

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    Right, it's way outdated! ;P
     
  7. theriko

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    Perhaps the reason they have stopped selling the 9800M GT's is that they have run out of stock of old 8800M GTX's...Maybe they never made a 9800M GT...Were they all reflashed 8800's..?
     
  8. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    you cant reflash 8800M GTX to 9800M GT.

    I have gone over this many times....

    those that have tried it has bricked (ruined) their 8800M GTX's.

    the 9800M GT may have same specs as the 8800M GTX, but there are minor subtle differences... like the power specifications are higher in the 9800M GT.
     
  9. Deathwinger

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    Also, the 9800m GT has the benefits of the Geforce 9 series of video cards, including the second generation of the HD processing capability and greater CUDA and PhysiX performance.
     
  10. theriko

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    It IS possible to flash the 8800GTX to 9800GT, I have a vbios that does it...Provided by eurocom
     
  11. Julian018

    Julian018 Notebook Consultant

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    Well they actually ask €20,- more for a GTS. :confused:

    I know but technology goes really fast these days. :p If you don't buy something on time, something new is out and you keep on waiting forever.
     
  12. Deathwinger

    Deathwinger Notebook Virtuoso

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    So have you flashed your card to the 9800m GT?
     
  13. Gophn

    Gophn NBR Resident Assistant

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    Possible... but tell that to a number of people that have contacted me after they ruined their 8800M GTX's.
     
  14. Deathwinger

    Deathwinger Notebook Virtuoso

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    They ask for more cash for the GTS. That's bullcrap. See if you can find another reseller. I'd only go with them if their warranty is great. They should not be charging you more for the GTS.
     
  15. Deathwinger

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    I just want to know if he has actually done the upgrade himself. Its all fair and well to say that you have the flash that makes it possible to happen, that you are in a means of choosing to do the upgrade, or that you have INTENT of upgrading the card.

    But it doesn count for fact unless he has done the upgrade himself, had his card identified as a 9800m GT and has not bricked his GPU.
     
  16. Julian018

    Julian018 Notebook Consultant

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    Dutch people are scammers :p

    First they had: P9500, 320GB 7200RPM, GT for €1620,-
    Now: P9500, 320GB 7200RPM, GTS for €1640,-

    Other dutch site: P9500, 320GB 7200RPM, GT for €1650,-
    Now: P9500, 320GB, 7200RPM, GTS for €1670,-

    German site has: P9500, 320GB, 5400RPM, GTS for around €1474 include shipping. I hope they have an english keyboard but even if they do have it then it's still a 6 hour drive from my house. :p
     
  17. ARom

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    Who doesn't have the GT available? They are charging the same price?
     
  18. Julian018

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    They told me the GT is sold out or something. They will only ship with GTS now, and the GTS is priced higher because they are on demand. :(
     
  19. Xirurg

    Xirurg ORLY???

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    they stopped making GT
     
  20. icehell

    icehell Notebook Evangelist

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    Dell xps didn't update their systems by cenrino2!!
    hp till now don't have DDR3 in their systems!!!only sony and gateway have.
     
  21. theriko

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    I have flashed my card, it did get recognised as a 9800GT, but it seemed to break dualview, so I flashed back
     
  22. IKAS V

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    Try
    www.rjtech.com
    I believe they still have the 9800M GT for sale, but I am not sure if they ship overseas.
    You could always E-mail and ask.
    I do know the 9800 GTS is cheaper there.
     
  23. Julian018

    Julian018 Notebook Consultant

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    I'm not going to buy it from America, way too far for shipping etc. :p

    I don't mind getting the GTS but I just hate the fact that I have to pay more for a GTS card. :(
     
  24. IKAS V

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    Paying more for a less powerful card,I don't know man.....How much would shipping be? I don't think it would be cheap,but you never know.
     
  25. ARom

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    less powerful? They are almost identical.
     
  26. MrDJ

    MrDJ Notebook Nobel Laureate

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    why is it more. if you go for the gt when buying a laptop its £58 more than the gts. this varys quite a lot between companys.
     
  27. Zephkel

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    So is this switch to the 9800GTS going to occur across the sea in America eventually too?
     
  28. IKAS V

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    Yeah I think so.
     
  29. DevlReD

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    Sometimes i wonder for you guys(and im talking about the resellers) how can you lying in our faces,and to make it clear im not talking about you Gophn,there was a hole thread from someone that got 8800GTX instead 9800GT if you remember what im talking about that was going on for days and no one said (from the rest of the resellers that are active)that what Eurocom was saying(that 9800GTs are reflashed 8800GTX) to the customer was lie,now you saying that you cannot reflash a 8800GTX to 9800GT.
    I wonder who is saying the truth and if you are why you didnt said anyth when Eurocom was saying b/s to us?
     
  30. Gophn

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    Here is what I have been told by people that have bricked their 8800M GTX's.

    - they got the VBIOS dumped from a 9800M GT (first models out with them) that another person gave them.
    - then when they did the flash and restarted, the videocard was bricked.

    My speculation on the recent OEM's VBIOS flash (to go from 8800M GTX to 9800M GT) may actually be a re-brand flash with no difference in the hardware... only software.
    .... meaning that the OEM flash maybe nothing more than a software mod to rename the card.

    I would like to confirm this by:
    - having those with the first 9800M GT owners dump their VBIOS and compare it with the OEM flashes (like from Eurocom).
    - having physical high-detailed pics of the 8800M GTX and 9800M GT cards.
     
  31. Julian018

    Julian018 Notebook Consultant

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    Maybe I'm worrying too much. :eek: