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    M860tu project

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by mmoerbe, Oct 26, 2009.

  1. mmoerbe

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    Ran as admin and turned uac off :p.
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    Ok, with SPDtool:

    Be carefull because SPDtool is not safe.

    Open SPDtool > file > read > module ***

    Then file > save
    This will be your backup just in case something goes wrong.

    Then scroll down until you see "cas latencies supported".
    Change that value to a higher value.

    Then click edit> fix checksum.
    Then file > write >module ***

    Do this to only one of the sticks. Then reboot.
    Both sticks should be running with the new SPD even though you only flashed one of them. The ram chooses to run at the max speed that both sticks are capable of, so when you flash one of them, the other slows down too.


    Instead of changing the Cas latency, you can change the frequency.
    That will make it even more stable.
    But you have to know what frequency your chipset can support.
     
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    hmm says undefined on cas latencies supported
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    What ram do you have?

    maybe you should change the frequency?
     
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    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    I dont think SPDtool can support DDR3 ram.

    If I were you I would install xp, flash the ram, then delete XP.

    You could use an external HDD.

    Or troubleshoot your current OS.

    I would not risk using SPDtool. You need to use thaiphoon burner.

    EDIT: thaiphoon burner works on my 64-bit vista.
     
    moral hazard, Nov 24, 2009
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    Don't have xp. I did find my old ddr3 memory that i could test on maybe.
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    SDTool is good but only for DDR2, thaiphoon is the only tool to edit DDR3.
     
    kaltmond, Nov 24, 2009
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    Should have xp in a bit. bought this ram so long ago and never thought i would overclock my laptop.
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    Since you have xp installed (read the PM ;)),
    First backup your SPD.

    Then select the editor. In the editor, if you want it to be really stable then drop the frequency down. So if you have 1066mhz ram, lower it to 800mhz.

    Otherwise, change the CAS latency up.
    Then you will probably have to also use memset to change the rest of the timmings (safe way to do it).

    Also you can use the browser function in thaiphoon burner to find SPD dumps for other ram. You can find simmilar ram to yours, just slower. Flash that SPD onto your ram. But make sure the brand and size are the same.
     
    moral hazard, Nov 24, 2009
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    well i deffinitly messed up that ram stick. i tried to lower speed guess i didnt do it right
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    So what happens when you boot?

    Here is one way to save it:
    put the bad ram and a good stick of ram into the notebook.
    The notebook may use the SPD of the good ram, so it will boot.
    Then you can flash the backup that you made.

    Also, if it doesn't boot with your similar ram, try some slower ram.
    That should difinalty make it boot.
    Put slow ram and the bad stick both into the notebook.
    The notebook should boot up. flash the bad ram to fix it (use your backup).

    Last thing to try is hard to do, I will tell you how if the first way doesn't work.

    Let me know how it goes.

    Sad to hear your ram is not working ATM :(
    good luck :)
     
    moral hazard, Nov 24, 2009
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    uhh for some reason nothing is working atm :p. xp starts loading then bsod. not quite sure.
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    If the flash was bad, the notebook would not start.
    Since you get past POST, I dont think it was a bad flash.

    Maybe remove the overclock. Flash the ram. Then overclock again.
     
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    ya the ram stick thats bad wont let it start. but when i put both in or just the single good stick i get a bsod after like 1 sec of win xp loading :p. i think its because i tried to do some dual boot thing. win7 wouldnt show up on boot list.
     
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    Personally I would remove the overclock.

    Then boot with both sticks into XP (if you cant get into xp, repair the OS).

    Then flash the bad stick with the backup SPD.
    Then test the bad stick.

    If it works, I will try to give you better instructions for thaiphoon burner.

    After you get your ram setup the way you want. Overclock and test for stability.
     
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    ya doing a repair right now. taking forever
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    somthing is fricked up. confused gonna try to reinstall xp
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    Check the HDD settings if you have raid.
     
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    im booted up in xp with both sticks. Do i just select rewrite selectively using orig spd. it asks for a low hex and high hex though
     
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    full rewrite.

    Make sure you only rewrite the bad stick though.
     
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    Thanks tons for the help! hope this works out this time.
     
    mmoerbe, Nov 24, 2009
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    CPU temp is really good @3G. :)
     
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    Ran ati tool and orthos for together about an hour and CPU temps were 65 and gpu was 71. Ihavnt used my note book cooler on any of the tests. I need more mods.
     
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    Run intelburntest to get your CPU really hot.
    I am expecting an extra 5C on the CPU with intelburntest.

    Intelburntest only needs to be run for 10mins.
     
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    60c cpu , 52 gpu, 54 hd
     
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    My dogs knocked my laptop off a coffee table yesterday and now the battery wont lock in place. Broke two pieces of plastic that allow it to lock so I ordered a new one. But, it was a good test to see if anything was loose. Laptops running fine."close call"
     
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    **Seems like alot of people are having trouble with memory stability. Instead of just changing cas in taiphoon burner, use the automatic flash settings set to 800-E. Of course this depends on you ram. My ram = Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 204-Pin DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500).


     
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    so havnt messed around with my laptop much lately. I'm trying to push some more out of it. Has anyone figured out a way to overvolt the 9800m gts yet? Or is there any other bios's I could flash too instead?
    Wish I could find a cheap quad.
     
    mmoerbe, Mar 7, 2010
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    You could try to flash to a GTS 160m (if you want to take a big risk for no gains). Though you would be proving me right/wrong.

    You can use nibitor to change the voltage. There are a few threads on this forum if you search.
    I undervolted my 9800m GS, great GPU.
     
    moral hazard, Mar 7, 2010
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    The only other thing I would do is take out cd rom and mod a lenovo quickbay to fit. Add another HD and raid them! But damn your mods a sick, if only I did not develop on my m860tu I would mod mine like yours. Cheers!
     
    Mausimo, Mar 8, 2010
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    Nibitor won't let u overvolt the gts any further. I was actually thinking about flashing to a gs for more vid values.

    Thanks mausimo. I kinda gave up on the laptop after building my desktop. But I have to say, notebooks are more fun to mod : p
     
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    I have the stock 9800m GS vBIOS if you want it :)
     
    moral hazard, Mar 8, 2010
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    i would very much appreciate that :) gimme
     
    mmoerbe, Mar 9, 2010
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    I think you have to make sure you have the same vRAM before you flash.
    EDIT#2: I was wrong, vram doesn't have to be the same.

    I had samsung chips, model:
    K4J10324QD-HC12

    Here you go:


    EDIT: forgot to mention, I had the 1gb version.
     

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    alright thanks. appreciate the help
     
    mmoerbe, Mar 10, 2010
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    Wow, what a mod! I love the backplate, nicely done.

    I'm looking at that 2kOHM resistor mod, shouldn't be that hard for a nice increase.

    Wonder how my T9600 would handle the jump?
     
    mlee49, Mar 12, 2010
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    You'll need a bigger voltage bump then mine. And probably flash your ram. But 3.5ghz would be nice oc : p
     
    mmoerbe, Mar 12, 2010
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    A question occurs to me - if the PLL is hard-modded, does the BIOS notice this at boot-up time and set up RAM according to 1333MHz SPD (if it is 1333 RAM) instead of 1066MHz settings? Or is RAM SPD update still required?
     
    gordan, May 6, 2010
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    The BIOS does not detect it. The ram will run with the 1066mhz timings. You should use thaiphoon burner to change that.
     
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    OK, I get it. So the best way to do it would be to get 1333MHz modules, dump SPD, and re-burn with the module's own 1333 timings for 1066? Is there any reason to not just use MemSet? From what I can find here:
    http://www.tweakers.fr/memset.html, memset supports PM45 chipset.

    So - is there any reason to not go with a purely soft solution:
    1) MemSet to relax timings to 1333 levels
    2) RMClock to reduce FID/increase VID
    3) SetFSB to boost the FSB to 1333
    ?

    This would allow for both low power operation at stock settings and increase performance when gaming without anything that might void warranties.

    Am I missing something?
     
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    Memset can't change the Cas latency, also it can't change the ram frequency.

    While thaiphoon burner can change everything, even the ram voltage.
     
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    The RAM frequency is implicitly changed when changing the FSB, is it not? Otherwise, 1066 memory wouldn't be getting unstable.

    Are you saying that MemSet applied changes to CAS do not stick?
     
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    Memset cannot change the cas, yes.

    About the frequency, when you overclock, the ram frequency will go up, you can lower the frequency with thaiphoon burner to cancel out the effect.
     
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    Regarding the RAM frequency, are you saying that on 1066 RAM I'd have to delete the 1066 setting and only leave the 800 setting, so that at boot time, BIOS would lock on the RAM speed at 800, which would then get increased to 1000 when the FSB goes from 266 to 333?

    So, with 1333 RAM, I would just need to flash SPD so that 1066 settings are the same as the 1333 settings in the next SPD slot, assuming my RAM doesn't have enough headroom to handle the 1066 timings at 1333?

    I apologize for labouring the point, but I'm trying to understand what the actual underlying issues are.
     
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    With 1333 ram yes, just like you said.

    With 1066 ram, yes delete the 1066 settings and change the 800mhz timings to the 1066 timings.
     
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    So if you have 1333 ram then you can do the software mod that would be stable (in theory) as opposed to the hardware mod, and then RAM flash timings?
     
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    The problem with the software mod is that it overclocks your gpu also. So you may or may not have problems. I never tried changing the fsb with setfsb that high. mainly because it wasnt supported when i did this. Sorry for the late reply.

    Yes in your case flash the ram from 1333->1066 . Then hard mod or softmod the fsb from 266->333 . Your ram will then be running at 1333 because of the higher fsb. Remember to only flash 1 stick of ram!!. The other ram stick will be forced to run at the lower. If you mess up just reflash with orginal spd.
     
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