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    Maxwell GPUs 9xx Series in the X7200

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Bytales, Jul 24, 2015.

  1. Bytales

    Bytales Notebook Evangelist

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    RJ Tech is selling here
    http://rjtech.com/shop/index.php?dispatch=categories.view&category_id=167

    965m, 970m and 980m.
    The physical dimensions and screws are similar to my 460m that i got in SLI inside my laptop for now.

    965m is 370 USD
    970m is 450 USD
    980m is 720 USD

    For Europe
    http://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com
    Are Selling these GPUs as well, they also sell on ebay.de
    965m is 415 EUR
    970m is 570 EUR
    980m is 795 EUR

    The RJTech cards are not returnable, whereas the ones from Europe/Germany can be returned within 14 days without giving a reason what so ever.

    Even a 965m SLI would be a hellava upgrade coming from 460m SLI, has anyone installed one of these cards inside the x7200 ? I personaly cannot see a reason why it would not work ! In the worst case, i could send them back. I have inspected pictures of these gpus, and they look identical to the 460m SLI, i believe the heatsink would fit.

    I know what everyone would think, i could sell it and get a new one, but its got a special value for me this laptop, and i would like to keep it. Im looking to upgrade it now as the optical unit is broken, need to purchase either new optical unit or drive cady, and whant to upgrade to windows 10, and before i do that i would like to change the GPUs if its possible.
     
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    The 680m with an early vbios is the fastest card that works in that machine.
     
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    Why wouldn"t a 965m for instance work ?
    Has anyone tried and nothing happened ? Or is this a preassumption, that other cards simply dont work, when in fact they could work, but no one tried !?
     
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    Due to bios incompatibility. I heard a 980M was tried and it was a non starter.
     
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    You mean to say the GPU is practically not seen and the laptop behaves as if no GPU is inserted ?

    Regarding the 980m, thats a pretty big one, at 130W per piece. While it may work with a double PSU, i believe the 965m (70W) or the 970m (80W) would have had more chances !

    Besides, i really dont get this bios issue !

    In 5 years from now i could install a new GPU on my desktop PC, provided it still uses the PCI eXpress Connection, and i wouldnt need a new bios !
    Whats up with this bios issue ? So basically i was cheated into thinking that because the laptop has mxm 3.0b slot i could upgrade in the future with a new GPU !
     
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    The PSU capability is irrelevant at boot.

    I can start a 780M in an old Acer 5935G of mine just to get into dos and flash it even off a 90W brick, it's issues at load that would show up for power.

    A laptop has a custom EC designed to take the GPU data and run its own cooling system to match, of course this is different in each machine. In this case clevo went with their own control scheme whch is no longer compatible with the current standard.

    So it's a bit of a non starter.
     
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    What is EC ?
    What do you mean it needs data to know how to cool the GPU ? This seems to me all BS, as the monster X7200 could kewl any gpu with its monster fans and radiator !
    Man i cant believe this is, as its just a problem of software to run the latest cards, and they just wont do it to make this possible.
     
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    The EC is the controller that manages the fans, battery, keyboard etc.

    Yes it does need to be able to interface with the GPU, it needs to know how hot it is so it can vary the fan speed depending on load and stop the machine if there is an issue.
     
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    Oh man, so basically support in the X7200 for the 980m for instance, is basically only a software issue, nothing more, and nobody on this planet is looking to work the software issue out to get support for these cards in the x7200.

    What is it that needs to be modified then, to support these new gpus ? The firmware of the motherboard, or what ?
     
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    One could copy the data used for instance for 580m, and use the same data for the geforce 980m, and data for 460m (which is 75W part) and use it for 965m and 970m as these are 70W and 80W parts.

    Oh man, it couldnt be any simpler than that, but nobody will do it, if i knew how i would do it myself.

    A 970m SLI instead of my 460m SLI would be a performance difference two worlds apart.