Missing my Clevo....

I had to replace my stolen Clevo with an Alienware. I now realized just how good Clevo's are in comparison to other manufacturers. I am going to save up my $ to get a Clevo as soon as I can. At least I bought a system that has a good resale value!

Will Clevo be doing anything with the Ryzen processor? When will the 2000-series GPUs come out on Clevos? Any guesses?

 

98% no Ryzen, unless CES changes everything and Ryzen destroys Intel offerings at competitive price points.

 

actually now that you mention it...

 

Gotta be an insanely garbage AW notebook you found yourself.

 

Alienware 17 R5. i7-8750H, 32GB RAM, 512GB Samsung 970 Pro, 2TB Firecuda and a nVidia 1070 video card.

A total of 3 USB ports - 1 of which is type C.

I upgraded the RAM and the HDs from when I purchased it.

 

Out of interest, whats wrong with the AW?

 

Bang for the buck is a lot less than with Clevo - I paid about $300 more for my new laptop than I would have paid for a Clevo with the same specs.

USB ports - very few USB ports in comparison to Clevo.

No SD card reader

much heavier system

Hinge forward design makes it so it is a lot larger than it needs to be.

Just a few things that I have found so far.

 

What clevo are you comparing it to when you say "same specs?"

 

If I had gone with the AW 17 R5 with the 1070 video card, it would have been about $300 more for a similarly spec'd Clevo P955ER.

 

It would throttle hard due to not even having a real 1070.
Also no thunderbolt.
Extremely loud
Terrible speakers

Maybe you should go for the clevo just to see how poop it actually is. Would like to see how you would react to it.

 

@flyboynm you've triggered the biggest Clevo hater on NBR, might want to cut your losses and duck out before this thread spirals out of control.

 

Alienware used to be made by Clevo prior to Dell taking them over. I had Alienwares back then and moved to Clevo's for a reason. Hate all you want on Clevos but it will not change my opinion that the Alienware is an inferior system.

Tell you what - buy a 17 inch Clevo with the same specs as my Alienware and I will trade you my AW for it. If you are not willing to do that, maybe you should just quiet down.

By the way, this Alienware will be put up for sale in March as soon as my new Clevo system comes in. I had a very small window of time while I was in the US and didn't have enough to get the system I really wanted. This one was in stock and could be delivered the day before I left the country. That is the ONLY reason I bought it.

 

Nahh, I am good. If Alienware is so much better than a Clevo, I offered him a deal. They buy a Clevo with the exact same specs as my AW and I will trade it to them for the Clevo - saving them $300 on the AW. If they don't want to do that, they need to shut up with their comments about Clevo's being so terrible.

 

Back on topic though.

Ryzen: Nope

RTX 20 Series: Wait until 29th of this month

 

There is no such thing as an opinion for the stuff I just listed. Those are nothing but facts. If you want to argue, then start showcasing how a GTX 1070 MaxQ turd castrated at 80W beats a full 1070 at 125W. That attempt itself would make me laugh.

Saying that the Alienware is inferior is showcasing strong bias and ignorance.
While you are more than welcome to miss your clevo notebook and like clevo more than alienware for whatever reason you like, spreading nonsense like an objectively better notebook is inferior because you want it to be reality is stupid.

Some people don't like the design of AW notebooks, others don't like the software, others don't like keyboard layout etc., these are all valid reasons to dislike a product.

Also your "offer" is also showcasing absolute lack of thought and rational thinking: I do not need another notebook, so why would I purchase a clevo turdbook just to trade it for a somewhat decent notebook that I don't need? Exacly, doesn't make a lick of sense.

If you miss your clevo that much, please make a thread in the marketplace where you actually trade your AW for a P955er turd or P770DM turd. I'm pretty sure tons of people would love to jump at that deal considering the superior product they would be getting.

 

@Danishblunt You are not a trustworthy source of factual data. Forum troll is more like it.

 

Don't hold back Danish, say what you really think.

 

@Meaker@Sager Bad Meaker! Bad!

 

Go ahead then, provide factual data how a maxQ 1070 80W beats a non maxq 1070 125W.
How the speakers of the Clevo are better
How the clevo is quiter etc.

Try me.

 

That's not a Clevo model number but a Sager one. Please list the Clevo model as many people including me have no clue what those Sager models mean

 

Wrong mate

Clevo model is: P955ER
Sager model is: Sager NP 8955

The P955ER is basicially the worst thin and light gaming notebook out there. It gets beaten up by MSI's GS 65, Asus's Strix 2 504 and Gigabytes Aero 15x, that's why you likely never heard anything of it.

It has the lowest TDP on the Maxq, the cheapest Keyboard, worst fan profile etc.

 

Thanks for pwning me m8. This is me right now....

 

1) First off, the TDP of a 1070 is 115W. 2nd, I never said MaxQ beat regular 1070. When I bought a system, I made sure it was a full 1070, as I do not like MaxQ at all.

2) No audio solution on any laptop by any maker sound good to me, whether it be Apple, Alienware, MSI, Asus, Clevo, or any other maker. Simply put, the drivers are small, with no throw potential, and are in limited air enclosures, and often underpowered. And you were called on your BS about "modding realtek drivers" to make the laptop sound better. You may have done some speaker swappage and made some enclosures to try and improve things, like using speakers with higher sensitivity, but even then, it still doesn't compare to external solutions or headphones. Laptop audio is there simply as a convenience when you are traveling.

3) I never made a comment about fan noise, and it's simple physics to say that thin and light systems will have high fan noise due to the cooling requirements and the lower air capacity, so the fans must work harder. Improving airflow into the casing can help by making the airflow more effective, and maybe allow the fans to run slower. Otherwise, rip out the including heatsinks and throw some watercooling into that baby, with some very thin tubing.

Still doesn't change the fact that your behavior here is very belligerent and hyper Alpha-dominant, and you like to talk down to others. Plus anyone with an opinion other than your own is automatically considered to be wrong unless they are decisively proven right, or too many people back their opinion. The very definition of a forum troll.

 

I have been using Clevo products since they were the OEM for Alienware. When Dell bought AW, I stayed with Clevo. Their systems are far better than the current generation of AW.

By the way, I just bought a new Clevo with the same specs; my insurance claim was paid. When it comes in, I will compare them side by side. Guess what? The Clevo will win easily because there are so many other features to Clevos than just the GAMING-THEMED AW systems. That is all you are buying with AW - a gaming theme. A Clevo is a desktop replacement system and that includes a lot more.

 

Dis gun be gud.

I provide facts as to why AW is objectively better (at least the comparison to the P955), you on the other hand have nothing but "it's better, cry cry".
So what Clevo did you get? If you got a P95x then I'll literally be crying of laughter.

I can already tell you why it's probably worse.

Oh yeah, heavily throttled 8750H + max Q 1070, very good desktop replacement right there :'D

 

I ordered the following:

P775TM-G
17.3" 4k with G-Sync
nVidia GTX 1080 with 8GB RAM
i9-9900k CPU (silicon lottery delidded and binned)
64GB DDR4 @ 3000Mhz
512GB Samsung 970 Pro M.2 NVMe SSD
2x 2TB FireCuda HD

Do you REALLY want to know why the Clevo's are so much better than the AW? It is quite simple.

• How many USB ports are available on the AW? 2 USB 3.0 and 1 type C. How many on the Clevo? 4 USB 3.0 and 1 USB 3.1. Both have Thunderbolt 3 ports.
  
• Desktop CPU on the Clevo. AW cannot use a desktop CPU. The i9 from AW is an i9-8950HK which is inferior to the i9-9900k that can be installed into the Clevo-based system.
  
• Maximum RAM on the AW is 32GB. Max RAM on the Clevo system is 64GB. For people like me that run 4 virtual machines at once (or more), the amount of RAM available is crucial.
• How many hard drives are available with the Alienware? 1 2.5", 2x 2280 M.2 and a 2242 M.2. Clevo - 2x 2.5" bays, 2x 2280 M.2. Can you name a single mainstream m.2 drive that uses the 2242 form factor? I need a lot of storage so the extra 2.5" bay is crucial.
• Weight - the 17 R5 weighs 9.7 lbs. The Clevo weighs 8.6 lbs. It might now seem like a lot but that .9 lbs DOES have impact in the long run.
• Form factor - when closed, the AW is 16.69" x 13.07" x 1.18". The Clevo is 16.46" x 11.63" x 1.61". While the Clevo may be thicker, the depth is a big issue. The difference of ~1.4 depth makes it much harder to find a backpack in which to carry the system. I was only able to find 1 backpack I could put the AW into at Best Buy that was in stock. The Clevo has the same form factor as my previous system and I found numerous backpacks that would fit it.
• AW doesn't have a card reader; Clevo does. Many people, including me, use card readers now. I transfer videos and photos from my DSLR cameras to my systems for various reasons.

Now you can see how SUPERIOR Clevo is to the AW in these NON-SUBJECTIVE areas. The things you have claimed AW has over Clevo's are based upon your SUBJECTIVE reasons and not based upon scientific fact. Subjective reasoning is up to the individual preference and can be prejudiced. In your case, it is VERY subjective.

If you wish to discuss more about actual non-subjective areas, feel free to respond. If you are just going to go on and on about your SUBJECTIVE areas of preference, you are wasting our time.

 

1.) Now you compare a vastly more expensive Clevo system to an AW system. So let's instead compare to same priced AW 51M.
2.) Your system will overheat. 90s temps all the way. Awaiting your new threads crying for help. Both your and AW have Desktop 9990K CPU.
3.) Your 1080 will get stomped by Alienwares RTX 2080, the carnage left is nothing but pieces of your shattered ego
4.) AW has AMP that doesnt get routed through the PCH, causing it to have vastly superior performance for eGPU. an RTX 2080 TI can run at full speed, while on your castrated TB3 can barely run at half speed at best.
5.) Tobii eye tracking for tons of different uses such as Improvement on competitive gaming and for social studies to work on websites etc.
6.) Max Ram is oficially 64GB on AW, but with 32GB modules it can be upped to 128GB.
7.) 1x 2.5" drive, 2x M.2 SSD
8.) Vastly superior Keyboard
9.) Vastly superior Speakers
10.) 240hz Screen option (in a couple of months)
11.) 2.5 Gbit/s Ethernet Port
12.) The clevo weight is 9.6lbs.

You and your clevo got smoked. You don't even know if you can upgrade your 1080. But hey, I'll give you a real chance here.
Download Firestrike and run it, post results here.
Then Download Aida64 (stress CPU, FPU and cache for CPU stresstest) + Heaven Benchmark (run maxed in windowed mode) and then make a screenshot of your extremely high temperatures in HWInfo64 after 15minutes of usage. Maybe you'll then realize that Clevo isn't as great as you thought it was.

When Phoenix gets his AW 51M, lets compare scores and features then

 

Comparison to system that yet no one have and theoretically does not exist expected nothing more from you @Danishblunt

@ flyboynm dont bother to replay. Guy and his 12 points list is joke

 

Could you do me the favor and run the benchmarks for temps?

 

And than what? Even if anything would not reach 90C - you would still repress facts(or make up some lame excuse) and kept doing what you do. No point to it.

But theoretically - lets say i would do another test (there are many of em here) - just for you. What if nothing would hit 90C? Will you - let's say delete your account?

I guess you would take risk against some garbage clevo throttle book, don't you?

 

It can't, but close enough I guess.
I believe the 51m will be a better system overall, but the price is also quite different.
Also, the GPU upgrade will be even more difficult then finding an MXM card.

 

You underestimate the power of AGA

Not having to route through the PCH makes a huge difference as you can see.

 

And you seem to underestimate the facts.
That techpowerup test uses pci-e lanes connected directly to the CPU, so no PCH bootleneck as you tried to imply.
A 2080Ti will take a 6-9% performance penalty running in PCI 3.0 4x, the performance penalty will increase once you connect it trough AGA. But as I said, for an eGPU solution it will be quite good. Not the same as an internal card, but quite close.

 

I found a good use for my Alienware.....

 

Jesus those hackintosh people are fast. Good to know, needed MacOS for application development anyways.

 

No you. You always ask for a million screenshots, conveniently ignore the ones that don’t suit your agenda, and never supply any evidence of your own. Run your own damn tests.

 

Sager and Clevo both list the weight at 8.6 lbs. Your link is incorrect.
https://www.sagernotebook.com/Notebook-NP9175.html

 

1 - I was comparing the top of the line Clevo with the top of the line AW 17 R5. WRONG AGAIN!
2 - No, there have not been reports of the system overheating according to so many review sites and owner's lounge posts that you are full of it again.
3 - Clevo has a 2080 that will come out too. Right now, Apples to Apples, the AW and Clevo video offerings are similar with similar performance.
4 - someone already posted about how that is a BS report.
5 - Tobii eye isn't something that is needed in the vast majority of uses or users.
6 - Per Dell's own specifications, the MAXIMUM RAM is 32GB https://www.dell.com/support/manual...d32a39-92c0-49ca-900d-2e51c535d7cb&lang=en-us
7 - Again, according to Dell, they have 1x 2.5" bay, 2x 2280 and 1 2242 drive spaces: https://www.dell.com/support/manual...b84b7b-af12-46fb-bb74-5669a64c7ecc&lang=en-us
8 - Keyboard is subjective. My personal feeling is that the Alienware keyboard is garbage in comparison to Clevo. Beings this is a SUBJECTIVE rating, it has NO place in the comparison.
9 - See #8.
10 - There is no 240hz screen right now. You don't know what Clevo has in store either. Therefore this point on your comparison is invalid.
11 - Not according to Dell's on Specifications: https://www.dell.com/support/manual...ebc8e9-b7c1-4137-b7cd-df6d74df36ae&lang=en-us
12 - I already proven your claim about the weight is wrong on a previous post.

Your "Oh, in the future" comments are just worthless. That is like a kid claiming his daddy's car will beat another person's car.

I actually found a job for the AW 17 that it is actually sort of good for - running Mac OSX Mojave. That is something my Grandmother uses at home - a Mac. Personally, I run 2 different versions of *nix on my system, Windows Server 2016R2 and a custom OS I am writing as part of a graduate degree research program I am in right now. All of those launch on boot of the Windows 10 Pro system. I use VMs for surfing the Internet, playing games, writing reports and such. My system's core OS (Windows 10 Pro) actually is not used other than to launch the VMs.

What in the hell are you even doing in a Clevo forum when you hate them so much? You are just like those Apple fanboys that can see no wrong with Apple no matter what - including being locked out of their computers because they elected to change out the RAM, or have overheating GPUs/CPUs or the screen craps out like Louis Rossman posts about all the time on YouTube.

 

No because literally every review site doesn't. Reviewers who actually measure that thing are more correct than resellers who write down some given value.

1.) The top of the line is the 51M. Also the top AW 17 is one with 8950HK and 1080 200W TDP, not your 1070 version. You're failing so hard it's hilarious. You see how superior Alienwares 51M is and now you try to link to a discontinued product.
2.) :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D :'D
3.) Because clevo totally does not cause tons compatibility issues due to card revisions right? :'D People are literally extremely careful which 1070 or 1080 version they buy because clevo made it so that newer revisions would not work on specific models, even in the same series. Imagine having a KM with a broken1070 and you purchase a 1070 which came from a TM only to see how your screen is black because the 1070 isn't supported. So yeah RTX 2080 support? :'D Looking at what Mr.Fox, Prema and Khenglish had to do to make a 1080 work in a DM also showcases that the fact that you think it's going to be plug and play is downright hilarious :'D
4.) Firestrike score running at 100% means it can run at 100%, wheter you like it or not.
5.) That's why I listed some examples where it's very useful
6.) As I already said, 64GB probably even 128GB, AW 51M. I don't care about discontinued product. I don't start commparing to a clevo P770ZM either.
7.) Don't need to repeat myself
8.) Keyboard is objectively better, wheter you like the layout is something different, but qualitywise it destroys the extremely poorly made keyboad the clevo has
9.) Speakers also also not subjective either. If a speaker is literally apple to play requencies your speakers can't then it's superior wheter your like it or not.
10.) Difference being, AW has announed 240HZ screen options, while Clevo hasnn't. So again, NoPe
11.) Learn to read the 51M specs
12.) As you did not, you simmply took a unreliable source. Here another reliable review source

You disegard the 51M despite it being the direct contender because you know yourself that your clevo looks like a dirty rag in comparison. You try to make objective matters subjetive such as keyboard and speakers and will very likely not post any screenshots of temperatures and such because you will prove my point that your clevo notebook will be steaminly hot.

You downright refusal to compare it to the 51M showcases that you basicially admitted defeat. The fact that you think running MacOS means a system has to be weak also showcases mass amount of ignorance and bias towards multiple views, while there are extremely demanding applications only MacOS can run. Also the fact that you run games on VM's while the systems in question are extremely weak in relation to this type of applications makes me highly doubt you even ran a game in any type of VM yet. Also writing your own OS isn't complicated, anybody with a little freetime can do it, the question is however, how big is the OS and what features does it have.

All in All, looking at your refusal to compare it to the actual AW contender, conflicting statements, trying to make objective matters subjective, ignorance of performance and usage og multiple applications showcases that you're one of the clevo fanboys who will substitive reality for their own and tries to brag with a deadbeat system that nobody else but a very few people would want due to massice shortcomings.

The main difference between us 2 is very simple. We both had/have a clevo, you lived with it's shortcomings and had a half assed notebook. I on the other hand compared it to at least 30 other notebooks, saw it's shortcomings and am still trying to make it great, even tho right now am pretty close to it. I am still awaiting the temperature screenshots which I will likely never get, but that's something I'm used.

 

1 - the 51M just was released. Have you compared it to the newest Clevo? No, you didn't. When I wrote this originally, it was based upon a 17 R5, which is what I have. The newest Clevos are going to have 2080 GPUs too. The CPU will still be a i9 desktop CPU which Alienware does not have. Guess what? Alienware loses the CPU battle there.

2. I weighed my new Clevo. It weighs 8.6 lbs.

 

Note the 51m is not released yet, you are basing your opinion on perceived results from the spec sheet. We have yet to see it properly tested.

 

Since you got your clevo, I'm awaiting your thermals and performance

 

Just wanted to chime in and say, you just listed why the clevo system IS BETTER FOR YOU

The clevo is clearly marketed as a desktop replacement, to be used as a workstation, which has more uses for you, while the alienware is marketed solely for gaming. Also, the alienware line is being refreshed to be able to use DESKTOP PROCESSORS such as the i9, and they are allowing GPU upgrades again. So while this has been going back and forth, you started an opinion, and stated facts as to why this system is better for you, realise that there are others that have differing opinions that will be stated, and why other systems are better for them.

 

U just said everything that clevo had like forever.

Alienware is for gaming if shinny stuff and alien logo at backplate make u gamer XD

other than that - alien is just weaker and more expensive laptop in every aspect.

 

I will believe that when I see it. They are using a proprietary interface for their module gpus. Dell has done this in the past with the XPS M1730. They only supported one refresh cycle - 8800m GTX to 9800m GTX. After that nothing. Other companies have promised the same thing with their proprietary interfaces like MSI and ASUS; none supported more than one additional generation with some supporting none, shafting the customers.

A huge thing Clevos have going for them is the MXM standard. This makes it possible for anyone to use any gpu that conforms to that standard from any manufacturer with little to some effort. A proprietary interface means once the responsible company ceases support, you have zero options. And history shows us that is exactly what happens.

I used to own a M17xR2. I upgraded that computer's gpus through 4 generations. What made that possible? MXM. Once Alienware moved away from Mxm, I moved to Clevo.

A proprietary gpu interface is not beneficial to gamers.

 

alright. i am not going down this rabbit hole. i simply stated that op was making bias and dishing on alienware line for not "fitting his needs". you say that, but at one point, they were really good, in fact, the ranger is getting more use even with msi 1070s now than even the newer alienwares. and with that, i go no further, BEGONE THOT!!

Yeah, and ill agree with your first statement. it happens time and time again, and i would really liek this to be the new standard, but right now it is a wait and see, like you said. actually, i agree with everything you said. you get rep and like my friend. Keep that good head on your shoulders. But i will say that it wasnt dells choice

intel said no to having the pga standard anymore, and dell showed them by making so many different lines of alienware with pga. they tried, but we dont have alienware/dell to blame entirely here. we have intel. they forced the market to go sour, by forcing all chips to be bga. that is why we have crappy alienwares now.

thats not to say, that dell could have done this shtick sooner about having the upgradability of the gpus, and continue to manufacture the mxm cards like msi and even adopt a newer standerd, but at the time, anyone looking to buy a laptop wanted thin and light. so in a sense, we are partly to blame as well

 

I think what's good for gamers is for the same price as an alienware you can get:

RTX 2080 vs RTX 2070
512GB SSD vs 256GB SSD

Setting both to 144hz screens and fitting the 9700K.