More on 9800 GTX support

Well i asked Nvidia about this subject and this is what they had to say:

"
As I have informed you earlier, NVIDIA manufactures only basic GPU for the laptop graphics card and sell them to the laptop manufacturer. They design and manufacture the entire graphics card compatible to their laptop models. Hence, I am sorry to inform you, we would not have proper information, if a laptop, which is designed for two GeForce 9800m GT graphics cards in SLI, supports two GeForce 9800m GTX graphics cards in SLI, which are purchased separately. The best and the only person, able to answer this question is that specific laptop manufacturer. I am surprised to hear that the laptop manufacturer suggested you to contact NVIDIA to check if their laptop supports the latest graphics cards in SLI.

I am extremely sorry to inform you, we do not have the information about the laptop manufacturer, who is offering laptops with GeForce 9800m GTX graphics cards in SLI. I suggest you to contact some of the major laptop manufacturer have to get the first hand information.
"


I asked Sager and this is what they said
:"We will have 9800GTX Video Card in by August, also the SLI will be available later too; but we have no idea how soon we will have this function update from the nVIDIA;

Thanks,



this is what i emailed:
" I was planning to buy the 9262 with 2x 8800 GTX in sli , when the 9800 GTX was announc ed .
Now i dont see it offer ed in SLI. Is it possible that i get the laptop with one 9800 GTX and then upgrade with anther card(user upgrade) by myself, or will i ne ed a new motherboard???
When will be the 9262 be offering 9800 GTX in SLI???

I dont want to buy to find out i cant have my 9262 with 2x 9800 GTX in sli...
"

Talk about being confused hahahahahahahhaha

 

You must be a bit patient to get accurate information when the 9800M GTX's are available for testing.

 

i thought they passed testing stage , and will be shipping mid August

 

Only preliminary tests with engineering samples were done with single videocard configurations... which turned out fine.

SLI configurations have yet to be done, as well as drivers written to enable the SLI 9800M GTX cards.

 

i am also waiting for this too...and hope i can get GTX now and upgrade to Sli later if i can with np9262

 

Uh, I know it's always a dangerous deed - reading between the lines - but I think, given Sager's traditional reticence to say anything at all until they think they've got it worked out, that this phrase, which you got from Sager:

is pretty substantial evidence that 9800M GTX in SLi will be available, probably in September or early October, and that it will not require any changes to the motherboard - if such changes were necessary, Sager would not have told you that Sli would be available later on, but would either have said nothing, or would have said that they did not know when, or if, it would be available.

Given that the OP is going to be travelling for 2 months as of Sept. 1, I still don't think that he should buy a D901C yet because he'd end up being rushed into making his purchase; however, I think that the risks of needing a motherboard change are very close to being insignificant at this point.

 

How about this question though. OK, we all know the 8800GTX was re-branded by Clevo to the 9800 GT. The 9800 GTX is supposedly just a 9800 GT with 1 GB of RAM. Ok, same ole story, but bear with me.

If you are building an SLi system like my Odachi or whatever; think of this:

• The second card does not lend it's memory, only its processing power in an SLi system.
• SLi can function with nearly identical cards in desktops.
• The GTX option is $350 or more to upgrade to per card in notebooks.

See where I'm going? This is something I have thought about for a while. I wonder if the system would work with an GTX in the primary slot and a GT in the daughter slot saving yourself $350 (or more)? The performance should be identical to a dual GTX system, if the only difference in the cards is the additional RAM like I have been told.

 

A very interesting thought - any idea when you might be able to get your hands on the necessary ... "testing" equipment?

 

Well, I have a dual 8800 GTX Odachi here, but the 9800 GTX's aren't out yet. Otherwise I would just flash the bios's in the cards and try it right now (there is a 1'st and 2'nd card bios for the SLi config). I actually came up with th is idea a couple years back when the 20.1" Assassin used 7900 or 7950 cards (I can't remember which) and they went from 256 MB to 512 MB.

Honestly I am leaning toward a new 17" dual M88XT GPU 17" notebook that is far less expensive than the Odachi (and much thinner / sexier too). The claim to fame of the Odachi is the quad core and the multiple hard drives with various RAID support. I don't think with the new larger capacity hard drives (like the 320 GB 7,200) the multiple drives are that big of a draw anymore. Now that the mobile Penryn's are right there, that system may just slip into obscurity. On a side note maybe now we can bring back the second hard drive in the optical bay in the 570's so we can compete Clevo!

I probably won't be getting too many more of the Odachi's to just have lying around to test or send out for review. Well... now that I said that, I may get one for review and just blow it out the door at my cost after the review is done. I could do it to that one. Let's say end of August (for the release of the cards and get the system) to be safe .

 

I am not too familiar with how Sager renames the Clevo chassis once they get them. I have to go to Sagers page all the time to look up which one it is because they're always just numbers. If you guys could throw the Clevo designation or put it in parenthesis it would be a major time saver.

Aside from what you read in that other thread, the only new info I have is that the 9800 GT will be standard; the GTS was maybe a typo (???).

PNB posted that Sager pulled the 44 watt (quad core) and the GTX processors. That just made these systems that much more expensive as they started quoted with ATi cards with GTS upgrades then an additional upgrade to a GT.

Maybe the distributors will absorb some of the price now for the better card (I hope). That would be great. They are supposed to arrive next week.

 

5796 (m570tu)
5793 (m570ru)
9262 (d900/1c)
8660 (m860tu)

 

thats good, the 9800 GTX should be out by next week for re-sellers as the ETA on most websites is early to mid august to ship....so ur going to configure 9800GTX in SLI before anyone does..
I look forward to that

 

Honestly Alfonz, they are charging $350 for the GTX upgrade. I may be stepping on toes here, but $350 for 512 MB of RAM??? If that is the only difference (which is what I was told), I doubt if I'll sell any because I'll tell everyone that it's a complete rip off! You are certainly not going to get $350 in performance out of 512 MB of RAM. I am waiting until it comes out to see if there is any other differences that they just might not have known about.

 

I am not expert or claim to actually know how much of an impact these nums have, but i thought that the 9800 GTX has more 16 shaders, and a different core.
Again how much of an impact, i really dont know, but expect better performace.


I have a question here how much more $s would u expect for a SLI config with 9800M GXT as opposed just to one . what's the price of this card any way ?

 

If the jump from the 9800M GT to the GTX is 350$, expect SLI to top it at over 1k.
Ridiculous.

 

Alfonz: I was told the only difference is the RAM, no different core, no shaders... anything like that.

 

^^9800m GTX got 112 SPs

 

That's what I know too...

 

I am saying, on this model. What I am told, not five minutes ago, straight form the horses mouth, is that the 9800 GTX is nothing more than an 8800GTX with 1 GB of RAM total. What do you guys have for the 9800 GT? We already took one of those apart and showed you the stickers saying 8800 GTX and the GPU core being 8.

 

I am far from being an expert to say something for certain here, but anyways this is where i got my info from...
http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GTX.9919.0.html
http://www.madshrimps.be/vbulletin/f22/nvidia-geforce-9700m-9800m-gtx-specs-revealed-45959/

man, i just want this 9800 GTX to be out in a week or so, and if it is any good
i am going get this laptop and finish the endless waiting cycle

 

My brother, it would be a wonderful thing if that were true.
Since there is a given spec for a 9800 class processor, I would think that if one deviated from that spec, selling you something lessor... there could (should) be issues.

I'm not going to go any farther than that.

 

I found a bench mark of 9800M GTX on notebookcheck: http://www.notebookcheck.net/NVIDIA-GeForce-9800M-GTX.9919.0.html

Notebook check says:The benchmarks values are coming from Nvidia. The specs of the 9800M GTX are as they were officially published (reviewers guide). Sadly no word on SLI performance was in the paper. Therefore, we have to wait till we get a review sample with this combination.

So there we go, should get a mark of 10138 with 3dmark 06

 

Good article. Been looking for one like that for a while.

What Killer Notebooks is saying is wrong. While it does has 512MB more memory, it also has the extra 16SPUs. The core is also different. 8800M GTX used a special G92m core. The 9800M GT is similar to the G94 desktop model, and the 9800M GTX is a brand new core, as verified by those under the NDA. Likely it will be the G92+ core, but only time can tell.

While the article states that the card is being developed in the 65nm fab, I'm hoping it is released in 55nm with the current GTX+ desktop models. Less power usage, less heat, and better overclocking.

Also of interesting note, the 9800M GT outperforms the 8800M GTX by over 600 points...
The 9800M GTX supports Hybrid Power, it would be great if it is supported in any clevo systems.

 

And yet actual tests performed by users and retailers on this site show ?

What do they show again?

OH YES! They show indiscernible differences in performance in games as well as benchmarks.

If you look at notebookcheck, you'll also find out that they rate the 9800M GTS above the 8800M GTX, which is highly unlikely, as the 9800M GT performs similarly to the 8800M GTX with 32 more SP's than the 9800M GTS.

I'm not saying KNB is right, I'm saying take notebookcheck with a pinch of salt.

 

That is correct emike09. At this time nVIDIA is stating the 9800M GTX is is not only going to be a extra 512MB but it is going to be a new card based on a new core.

 

Thanks Justin. And thats what excites me. A new card that very few know about...

I agree that the notebookcheck benches might not be fully accurate.

 

Notebookcheck can be downright confusing at times. Oh, and the 9800M GT/8800M GTX score discrepancy is partly explained by the fact that the 9800M score is taken with a Q6600, while the GTX score is taken from a variety of machines.

Take their FX3500 ranking and compare it to their SLI 8700M GT ranking. The scores for the 8700M GT SLI beat the FX3500 across the board, but the FX3500 is ranked above that of the 8700M GT SLI.

It's stuff like that which makes me very wary of benchmarks from notebookcheck.

 

it wouldnt make any sense for the 9800GTX to be the same card with extra vram, because (correct me if im wrong) that would make it draw a virtually identical amount of power and therefor not exceed the thermal budget of the M860TU as has already been confirmed...

 

That's actually pretty good reasoning. What you're saying sounds quite logical.

 

No your right vestibule. There would be slightly higher charges and a little bit more draw to hold the charge for each module, but not enough to justify holding it out the M860TU.