Moved from d901c to XBOX360 for my gaming sessions :)

Cheers everyone just a small report to everyone that as been with me in the d901c journey since the begining.

I have my d901c for an 1.5 years. It is a very special workhorse indeed. I can only prise it for that.

As for games, I find it too limited for the price. Yes it is the fastest laptop for gaming, and I would love to keep it up to date, but the price tag of video card upgrades is just plain robbery IMHO. In other words the price far surpasses the benefit of such cards.

For the price people were asking me for a single video card upgrade in Europe (9800M GTX), I could buy 3 XBOX360 Elite (In the US I think its about 2 or the same). So ....

So I moved over to XBOX360, and guess what, I get better graphics, no driver hassled, no overclock hassles, no lag in LIVE, find no people using aimbots in multiplayer gamed (COD4, COD5 etc etc), I can take it to lan parties, holidays etc etc.

I'll keep the d901c for work, and probably upgrade the CPU as gladly is no manufactured by Clevo in anyway whatsoever, but that is all.

By the way, benchmarks are for noobs

Have fun,

Trance
PS: XBOX360 as its drawbacks, but not as many and costs far less then a single Clevo Video Card (absurd!!!!) It kind of reminds me the Sub Prime blunder. So wish I did the swap sooner. Would have avoided a lot of posts on this forum from me

 

How can you carry a console around ?_? what about the monitor/tv? I've also did this when I first went to study and I bought another monitor dedicated for my PS3 in the place I study and carry my PS3 back on forth -_-.

Your problem is quite similar to mine... but I love PC hardware in the bottom of my heart... it just feel special. So when I got the money, I'll study around and get what I think is best at the time.

 

I concur. Gaming on PCs is like..

But its actually fun to upgrade, tweak, overclock desktop systems, but not laptops, with locked down BIOSs and features, expensive and scarce parts, warranty issues.

TBH, I don't know why people even buy gaming laptops, considering that for the cost of a D901C, you could easily build a better desktop system in 2 grand, and buy an ultra-portable.

Anyone likes it or not, manufacturing and buying gaming laptops is totally absurd imo.


360 FTW !!

 

I see a lot of students buying Clevo's, especially when gooing to UNI. One of the advantages of having a gaming laptop that people point out all the time is that they can take it back and forth from home to the dorm and keep on gaming

Well what I have to say, is that think very well over this. For the price of a Clevo D901c or even the M570* you can buy one equivalent laptop but much lighter and 3 XBOX360 (one for home and another one for the dorm, and another one ... well don't buy this one, but buy games).

The XBOX360 simply offer a better gaming experience then any laptop you may buy.

So you would need just to take your games back and forth and a light laptop to keep on studying.

Trance
PS: Or simply buy one and take it with you back and forth. Is more or less the weight of a d901c

 

This point has been gone over so frequently, that it's three times the headache - for those who have the luxury of space in which to house a gaming desktop, that's great, in fact it's >* neato-keen*<; however, not all of us are so blessed, and for us a system such as the D901C definitely fills a legitimate need that cannot be satisfied by means of a desktop, no matter how well tricked-out.

 

Good for you dude.
Make sure you buy a huge expensive TV for it now

 

But once I finish my study... it will be a pain to move everything back to my house again... I'm just not the type (I guess no one) that like to carry lots of lots of stuff with them when taking a flight (I've seen people hand carry their desktop system with them, which, amazed me).

I guess I'm paying 2~3 times the price of similar specification desktop for that very reason.

 

I've not been here lately so didn't had the pleasure. People buy laptops becouse of its mobility and size. So that is not an advantage particular to the d901c.

As for gaming, I think my point is valid. An XBOX360 is smaller and more portable then any capable desktop for gaming, so in that regard considering the price of a gaming laptop it is neat compromise in betwen in terms of space. You can put the XBOX360 below the TV, in the closet whatever. Then have a very light laptop with the same CPU/RAM horsepower to work say for instance the M570TU etc etc. Something you can use on your lap

Well, at least it is a good compromise for me. Never considered a console for gaming in the past. But things have changed a lot last time I played PS2 and Game Cube, so much that a Console is a PC contender even if you are a hard core gamer (if that exists nowardays).

People that lack space in the house to have a XBOX360 and buy a d901c, they should have they should check their priorities IMHO.

Just wanted to share this. Bash it and trash it as you want, I know thinking outside the box is hard ... been there, done that.

Trance
PS: The only drawback of a console is that some games on the PC do not exist, but that works bothways.

 

Oh, I'm trying my best to keep
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XBOX 360 > Gaming notebooks

 

I have a 8 year old Panasonic Tau CRT (32"). Works perfectly. I also have a small 15" LCD that use with the d901c (not often) that can be used to the XBOX360 ... but I doupt I will. I tried using it just for testing, works perfectly. It's just that I like to watch movies too and for that matter the telly is much better (ergonomics)

Trance
PS: Any TV or LCD works with the XBOX360. My Panasonic is just enough ... for now. The new telly will come next year, not becouse of the XBOX360 but becouse of movies in HD for the family. Now time to play GRID Mutiplayer with no LAG maxed out, or will it be GTAIV hummm decisions decisions. Looks just the same as in my d901c (if not better) for a fraction of the price even against desktops, using less space then my d901c (just compare sizes).

As for consoles being better the High End Desktops to play games, I won't go over that as I can see that a desktop such as that have its advantages. Nevertheless more and more PC gamers are turning to consoles not only due to price but especially due to cheating and exclusive games. When WOW goes console that will be interesting to see.

 

Obtusity was ever your most endearing quality DFTrance, so we'll just leave it at that; suffice it so say that an Xbox might be neat-o, but it ain't gonna do my word docs as well, and justifying an entirely separate gaming console to my better half is not a fight I wish to have.

 

Glad that I was missed

Strangely my behalf was easy to persuade when I said I would sit in the coutch more often with her Furthermore when I said she could store her music and watch the video of our wedding more often lolol. Far easier to persuade her on spending the money over this then $4000 on my laptop.

Indeed she is playing some kind of Tetris right now, better join her for a duel of fun. I know, not the most graphically pleasing game (poor XBOX360 not even sweeting) but is enough for her ... and for me oh well, can always play GTAIV later when she goes to sleep.

I never meant to be obtuse, but indeed I'm a bit tired of the same old arguments over how valid a $800 video card is and so on, just becouse is inside of a laptop.

I still strongly advise the d901c break horse power for work. I certainly take the most of it in mine. But for gaming, right now there are far better options IMHO that indeed take less space. Being a notebook, requires a kind of video cards that in real life performance hardly surpasses the latest console generation (XBOX360 and PS3), furthermore they are three times more expensive (the top end I mean).

Just don't get carried away over benchmarks. In the end of the day for most of us, buying a gaming notebook is about playing games. So in this respect looking at consoles as alternatives is not something to overlook but to think about.

I did.

Bye all I'm off this forum as I've learned what I needed to learn about these notebooks. Emazing notebooks, best in class, excellent to work with if you really need the power.

For games, whatever is the situation there are far cheaper options, delivering the same if not more with less hassle.

I will miss the exchange of ideas, the entusiasm over next generation tech around Clevos, forum friends, etc etc. Whatever you do have fun.

Trance
PS: It seams that people are labelled negatively on this forum if someone goes against the flow of thought. Oh well what can we do. Anyway I avoided myself spending $1600 in video card upgrades, this for me are results. That is what makes me happy.

 

@DFTrance:

See ya later; have fun in whatever you undertake and remember, you're always welcome back, anytime!

 

Glad you could get rid of whats bugging you. I guess I never really learn my lesson until I finally can play games on decent detail.

Hope I'll let go like today you do one day!

 

'tis ashame to lose a good one... but i have to say its a matter of opinion.
I've played xbox360, im in a college dorm, I play more rockband and wii mariokart than PC games anymore. But thats only cuz with school work i have no time for more than one game. On PC, the games are just more real. Your mouse is YOUR hand moving the cursor. You're not pushing a joystick and letting go when its about to land on your target. The graphics are POTENTIALLY better (yes that does cost more, which is your issue). I also feel PC has the better games, or at least games i like. (CoD4, CS, TF2, Starcraft 2 soon to be, Bioshock) they all seem meant for the pc, where you can customize multiple keys... i dunno man. Money is a big issue, but, i just cant pull away from my baby :\ GL to you on ur travels

 

1. MS office and other work stuff means you'll need both console and PC (doubt if that is cheaper or more convenient).
2. If you go just console, the million things a PC can do, like rip CD's, edit photos etc. Not to mention need to carry TV.
3. You don't pay for the video card, but you do pay over the odds for the game - ie hidden console price.
4. You don't need to carry two electronic items (ie console and netbook) on holiday/business/friends' place/beach etc.
5. The quality of games on consoles - great for thumb exercise, but what if you want brain exercise (eg NWN2)?
6. Can you upgrade any components of a console if you don't have the readies to buy the latest and greatest?

 

I highly doubt you need to upgrade the component of your console (HDD excluded).

You just buy the newer generation machine which I still think is relatively cheap compare to upgrading the video card and processor or worse, the whole notebook.

Nevertheless, I don't think there's a right choices or wrong choices in this kind of situation, there's only your choices.

 

okay. now i have to agree with some things and disagree with others. i agree personally if i could always game on a xbox or a ps3 i for sure would. but i am at the office most of the day number one. number 2 at home trying to get to use tv big screen between the wife and daughter (daughter is 3 and cartoons are always on) is like pulling teeth. but she's my baby girl so she always gets to watch what she wants (well what we let her watch you know what i mean some thing of course are restricted) so if im watching a show or gaming on the wii or xbox and she wants to watch mickey on the big screen well then we watch mickey lol. does she have a tv in her room. yes but do we want here spending the whole day in there no.

at night the wife has stuff she likes to watch or we watch together so i dont get much tv time to myself. now i have 5 tv's in the house. and i usually get stuck in the bedroom (still a 32" lcd but not like being in the living room). i have 2 home theater setups one with a 60" plasma and the other a 52" toshiba. the toshiba is what the daughter uses most in the family room. the wife uses the other anyway you get my point. for me having the computer is my time. now i have a killer desktop but again im stuck sitting at my desk which i sit at my office desk during the day so i dont usually want to come home to that.

so having a powerful notebook allows me to sit in the family room with my daughter or with my wife at night and she can watch a show while i game and we are both happy.

also as stated can a ps3 or xbox convert video? can it do word, excel, or other pc tasks? no. i actually USE my pc's for things other than gaming so when i buy a system or build one i know im not buying it to sit there till i want to play a game.

anyway you get my points and feelings.. do i own console's yes. i hardly ever buy games for anything but the wii to be honest because the wii we can all use as a family. my xbox is dusty and my ps3 is getting there.

 

Just wait till he get's RROD then he will be smashing his XBOX 360 with a baseball bat, but at least he will have a nice paperweight for his desk..lol
PS.
360's also make great space heaters with all the heat they put out!

 

there is no DYI consumer market for notebook parts its not remotly money viable option regardless what some 'enthousiasts' will say around here.

360 is techinicaly vastly infiror to PC gaming in 3 areas

Resolution
Moddability
Diversity

As long as people use PCs there will be PC games.

on this note thou the next xbox is said to be able to funtion in exact windows enviroment.. so you could literaly just put it on your desk and use it as a normal windows PC.. it however has activation keys and hardware alowing it to run games..

I have a strong suspition that Games for Windows Live and Xbox will merg into a Antipiracy Hardware sistem... for ALL gaming (regardless of what monitor you have your "box" plugged into or if you have a mouse or countroler plugged in)... requiring people who prefer the PC setup to get a device to run games <_<

I smell a dark and subversive future for PC gaming under the tiranical grip of Microsoft.

As long as Blizzard and Valve say no to Games for Windows however.. their is no need to panic

and yer... BLizzard + valve basicaly kill consoles as seriouse gaming sistems.. but we will c!!

PC gaming piracy is so high is the massive diversity of product.. PC gaming has both the worst and best gaming has to offer.. in masterpieces like World of Warcraft.. or horible trashware sold at 100bucks like Low quality ports..

mabye some regulation by microsoft is what pc gaming needs.... i just hope it brings the prices down... PC gaming is mostly a rich boys sport.

AnyWho cya on Xbox live i use the same name <<... with the anouncment that Gears of War3 is out in 2010 you can at least know your xbox has a good 18 months or so in it before the Xbox 730 comes out... dont u just hate hardware!!!!!

 

i just priced a xbox... comes to about 600 bucks with everything it's suppose to have
cheapest upgrade for you...pin mod. 2.4 ghz up to 3.0 ghz

and the 9800m gtx pretty much out perform every card out because they still surpass all without over clocking.

and that's the price you pay to have top of the line....

ps, i still do my cod4/5 and socom runs on a ps3... . i didn't know enough people on xbox..

 

Guess, that wasn't my last post, nevertheless this is my last thread as I consider it interesting in the sense a different alternative then a desktop is on the table.

Please bare with me as I provide a detailed review of my decision process in case you are interested. Maybe I can spare you some money and still fit all your needs iff they are similar to mine (it just needs to be similar).

Like most of you, I'm technology geek. One of my passions is technology and software solutions. Both professionally and in leisure. I spend a lot of time "away" from my family in this laptop, even when I'm at home.

Like most of you guys I do have the money to feed this beast. Not money to waste though but with little personal discipline on the spending side yes.

Nevertheless this is not the case of most that come to this forum. Some go to great deeds to get one. We talk about benchmarks, overclocking, servicing, new tech coming out, shopt etc etc etc. All very exciting and interesting, lots of fun. I've never spent so much time on a forum

So I was contemplating $2000 budget to spend on tech, having spent already around $3000 (HTC Diamond, Router, Software, Games, etc etc etc) this year. Little money for some, a lot for the great majority of people.

My first thought was on upgrading the lap. Asked for a budget of 2x9800M GTX + a new motherboard (mine was one of the first d901c with Quad support), and was given a value between $1300 and $1600 (probably I could get a new CPU in the mix).

A case of Features

1. "but i am at the office most of the day number one."

2. "so having a powerful notebook allows me to sit in the family room with my daughter or with my wife at night and she can watch a show while i game and we are both happy."

This is precisely why I bought this notebook but also my profession does take use of a d901c power. I add

3. The ability to take to my holiday home, or even on a trip or holiday to be used on those evening were we have little to do.

I could pay for this and I was almost ready to bite the bullet (this was always my plan). I looked back over the my experience and all the fun I had tweeking it (drivers, overclocking, cooling etc etc etc etc) and remembered my initial reasons and realised that this wasn't part of it.

I'm a PC kind of person, so going for a console is almost sacrilege since we all know how flexible a PC is. Nevertheless I looked at the XBOX360 and decided to crosscheck.

1. That was is easy, I don't play at the office so powerfull video cards such as this ones is of little use, much less 2.

2. The XBOX360 fits the bill. I can connect it to my LCD easily (I have one in the living room) and hided somewhere. With my budget I can actually buy two, one that sits near by the LCD and another one nearby my Home Theater system for the family. So we can all enjoy the fun together from time to time.

3. I can buy something like this http://www.amazon.co.uk/MTD-Carry-travel-games-cables/dp/B000KT6Q22 to carry where I go. Usually the places I visit always have a TV in the room or living room so taking something like this it is not an issue.

The XBOX360 Elite System costs around $399, the bag cost something between $60 and $100. So a total topped at $500. Let's say throw 3 games for start (5 in total with the 2 that come in the bundle), $150. Now a Gold Subscription $50 for 12 months give or take. We have a total of $700.

So I asked a friend to lend me his XBOX360 to test drive for a week. With great difficulty I managed to convice him . Since I'm a PC guy I was very skeptic about it all.

I was surprised! The games looked awesome, well just as good as my d901c. Everything was extremely easy to setup. No more drivers, overclocking etc etc (needs). Connection to XBOX Live was painless (never downloaded so many demos in my life as it was so easy). One thing I use a lot on the PC to play multiplayer games while talking to other players is TeamSpeak, man on this box I just connected the supplied headset to the controller and I was rolling. I was suprised that it used the network much more efficiently, as I met no lag, no frameskips etc etc, this while I was downloading suff from the net (I have a 12Mbit connection so is not the best neither is the worst).

As I play FPS and Strategy games this indeed a concern (I just love my game keypad and G9 mouse). For the first I do need to get some practice on the controller to get proficient. I have 20 years experience gaming on the PC so that will be hard. But I've seen my friend playing with the Controller really well (hope someday a new controller comes by, a gun or something that actually works, it would be fun). As for strategy games such as Civ4, StarCarft and others that do not exist in the XBOX360, a laptop with a modest video card (8600M GT) is more then enough for a quick fix of habit. As from mainstream strategy games the XBOX360 the X has it too. For RPGs such as WOW and Warhammer, well again they don't require super dupe video cards. So a laptop a 9600M is enough.

I've also re-discovered the pleasure of playing racing games such as Dirt (played at uninteresting setiings on my d901c) and GRID. Sports and Fighting games of any kind are really fit for the controller ofering lots of fun. One can buy one and connect it to the PC but is one more thing to clutter the table that is avoidable.

But the XBOX360 is not only to play games. The Media Center Extender was easy to setup, streaming HD content such as movies from the lappy to the XBOX360 and display it on the TV was 5 mins to setup with no breaks.

A case of money

With $700 including a Carry Bag and 5 games I did the party, less then the cost of a single Video Card upgrade to my lappy (around $700-$800) saving $100, and $800 if two video cards upgrades were on the table. Above all, in my case the first parties party went even better then mine with the d901c, 0 hassle.

Maybe we have more or less the same interests

From my experience, and for people looking for a gaming laptop you can buy something like the HP HDX16t with a 9400 CPU for $1500 (17") , or even the Sager Sager NP8660 (15") using this chrismas promotions. The bottom line is that with $1000 to $1500 this christmas one can buy an excellent lappy for work, more then enough to play the strategy games that you may miss. Furthermore, to stream that HD content to the XBOX360. Making a total of $1700 to $2200, and still have a complete entertainment system that is equivalent and in some cases surpasses it with my d901c in that regard!!! This is about $600 to $1100 less then a decent d901c with a single 9800M GTX, and a great lot less then one in SLI ($1300-$1800)

Most of all, you can forget the need for upgrades, saving you big bucks in the future, as no upgrades are needed for a console until the next one is released that according to MS will happen three years from now. Most probabably in less then that time the d901c will be replaced by some other Clevo model.

Concluding

My reasoning is not about saving money, is getting about value for money strictly speaking. Which makes even more sense in Europe concidering the price of some Clevo's around here.

Let's not forget that the XBOX360 was released on November 22, 2005 (used to cost $500). So around 2 years ago. No one feels the need to upgrade to upgrade it (Console Gamers), so for $399 you are still on the top of the game today!!!!! (or $299 for the Pro Version). Unlike my d901c that cost $4000 1.5 years ago and today I can't play almost any game maxed out at full res (in other words I need to downscale to as little as 720p to get no frame skips). The same will happen by the end of next year to the precious 9800M GTX.

You may ask, is this the fault of d901c, Clevo or Hardware. No indeed it is not, it the fault of the PC gaming ecossistems. Making a hardware platform stable for long years, allow game developers to time to learn and build highly efficient software for that hardware. Just look at Crysis, a resource hog that in the end delivered little to most of us in comparison to other FPSs. How many of you guys went on a run to by a gaming lappy to play Crysis at 720p? Well, We doplay FarCry 2 (same engine in its core) on the XBOX360 at 720p!!!.

Gaming systems is all about gaming, music and movies, have fun,

Trance
PS: By the way, strategy games such as StarCraft, and RPGs such as WOW play very well on integrated graphics systems. Just make sure you have a good CPU on your lappy. As for the rest the XBOX360 is a good candidate.

 

should have just sold your d900c and got you an hp & and xbox and called it a day... that way you wouldn't have any regrets at all.

 

I dont' have any regrets at all mate Live is a learning process. I would done probably all the same.

I'm not selling mine d901c becouse as I've said, I need to horse power for work (Quad Core, Huge disk space, the security of RAID etc). As for the rest, I could do without if I had concidered the XBOX360 back then. So I would have bought just a single card and an XBOX360 back then.

But no regrets at all. Just sharing experiences.

Trance

 

works for me trance.

now go pin mod your chip and your d901 will have renewed strength. all at the cost of a piece of electrical tape.

 

yeah with me i would hardly have time to use the 360 between the wife and freinds and the daughter and her freinds lol.. as i said id have to setup something in the bedroom anyway to be able to use it whenever i wanted which is pointless to me to be stuck there..

 

I'm afraid that wouldn't be wise. Yesterday at work the lap started beeping in a sudden. As experienced Clevo owner imidiatly press FN-1 to put the fans at full blast, it stopped. Put the fans on normal, ran Speed Fan and Core one was at 65ºC (Q6600).

Guess I have to open it up and clean some dust out of the vents.

Furthermore, it needs some servicing. Lately from time to time the screen flicklers. So I guess it must be the LCD connector. A problem that lots of d901c experienced. Don't know if I'll fix it myself, go to a local PC Care shop or send it to my shop as it is under warranty. The later, it would take at least a weak, so dunno, I need it for work.

All this comes with the territory I learned as it can happen with any system irrespective of cost. I only wished that a $4000 would grant a technitian to come in and fix it on the spot.

I also understand that you bought your d901c about three months ago. If it didn't work for you I would be surprised. Just wait until the upgrade hitch kicks in. If you are like me, you will review and decide what you need in terms of upgrading.

Trance
PS: By the way it worked for me so spare me those remarks. I just moved hopefully for better.

 

if it were only that easy with a high end gaming laptop.

i work and live in the computer field. so upgrades come as no surprise to me...since in the 3 months of owning this...it's been upgraded 3 times already...so your late on that one...
9800m gt's to 9800m gtx's
q9550 to q6600@ 3.0 to qx9650

 

I guess that unlike me you don't have to descipline yourself in spending to get what you want in terms of technology. So our interests are not at all in sync, so it is quite natural $1000, $2000, $3000 is all the same to you. Or you payed very little for an upgrade since your system is brand new, so we talk in a year ok?

Trance

 

"works for me" is a catch phrase. meaning if you like it then it's good enough for me

sorry for the confusion

no need to get hostile. you do things your way and i do things mine.

 

Oh I like mine for work. Right now it is just not good enough for gaming concidering the demands of the new games coming out. So the upgrade to an XBOX360 while saving some dollars

Trance
PS: Sorry for the confusion, English is not my mother language.

 

completely understandable. i got a ps3 sitting a few feet away.

 

FYI i'll upgrade the CPU, probably a Q9500, just due to work. But that is "peanuts" in comparison to upgrading it to two 9800M GTX video cards (or even one for that matter).

As far as I'm concerned, gaming notebooks all together offer very little value for money. Mainly due to the price tag of video cards and upgrades. This in comparison to Desktops. Also for gaming mobility they offer very little in comparison to Consoles.

So now my mantra is, don't buy a laptop for games. By one for work. Even if you don't have a strict budget and want to buy a system that does both, by a laptop and a console. You won't miss a thing!

A Desktop for me was out of the question due to space and noise. That is my idiossincrasy, I just like tech around that we can barely notice but is yet multifunctional

Trance

 

DFTrance - I completely understand your point of view and didn't console games in DK cost around 100 $ or more a piece, I think ive would have done with a little "lighter" laptop setup and a Xbox or PS3 Consoles are great for what they are made for, entertainment and games, but I cannot live with paying around 100 $ a game Still PC's doing what they are supposed to for me But indeed, it would be wiser to keep gaming on consoles in the long term, as upgrades aren't as expensive as for laptops and they have a fairly long lastability

 

so very true!

not sure about the calling rate, but rjtech might sell you a single gpu for about 600 less shipping. (speculation of course) and also...your q6600 is probably still just as strong if not stronger than the q9550. i was kind of disappointed when i ran test on the two....the q6600 over clocked beat the q9550... so i put q9550 in my desktop where it can be over clocked.

and the q9550 is going for about 300 to 400 dollars..now

 

FYI just a sample of the price of game:

Grand Theft Auto IV PC: $49.99

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-A..._3?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1229435606&sr=1-3

Grand Theft Auto IV XBOX360: 51.79

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-A..._1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1229435606&sr=1-1

Grand Theft Auto IV PS3: 55.99

http://www.amazon.com/Grand-Theft-A..._2?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1229435606&sr=1-2

Not that I like the game, but it is considered by many the game of the year.

I don't know were you get the $100 value. There are some differences but I have yet to find diffs that exceed the 10 bucks.

Trance
PS: In Europe is the same. You can also get easily used games for half the price, or even get promos.

 

just ask brainer...he paid 100 bucks for his and he is over seas. i forget where. something to do with shipping im guessing....

 

Brainer should have asked me where to get it cheaper

http://www.game.co.uk/search.aspx?platform=11271&s=GTAIV&sort=itemOrderasc

39.99 Pounds = $61.35 (new) or ...

19.58 Pounds = $29.91 (used)

The cost of shipping from the US does takes away the benefit of paying less $10. Especially when you have to pay duties (that happens sometimes, it depends on the country). I'm sure that if he payed $100 then he payed duties and a lot for shipping.

But this is all to clear some missed conceptions that were rised on this topic. Seams a bit off, but indeed we need to concider all the spectrum in order apreciate an alternative.

Trance
PS: Or he may have bought a Collectors Edition. In that case it would cost probably that much. But is not at all necessary as I have demonstrated.

 

wonder what he was thinking.... maybe he isn't in europe then..maybe some where else.. but yet, you found it at a few places for cheap...

after looking again...i see why he paid more...he didn't want to wait 16 to 32 days... so he paid like 30 bucks for 3 to 5 days shipping. or something close to that effect.

 

People do crazy things when they are desperate I know, I did it once or twice, got over it

Trance

 

yeah...i did it too. matter of fact...i do that allot. when buying online or through a vender.

 

Or if you need an even more portable gaming system:



Source: http://www.engadget.com/2007/04/17/xbox-360-laptop-mk2/



Source: http://www.engadget.com/2008/04/11/video-the-ps3-laptop-in-action/

Now this is what I call mods. Just watch the videos

But you don't need to go that extreme. Just a Carrying bag like the one I posted is enough to do the job I need.

Trance

 

now that i would go for. just to say" look what i got" *LOL* sorry, but yes friends..i would be bragging about my portable ps3!

 

This thread is not likely to go anywhere constructive and is therefore closed.

Think about it - you're starting a crusade against gaming PCs on a gaming PC forum. Not exactly a wise idea, and not something our readers want. It brings up the same old arguments over and over. There are many, many PC vs. console arguments all over the Internet; Let Me Google That For You. Go elsewhere if you want to pollute your mind with that junk.