NEW UPGRADE with GTX 1070 for old Clevo/Alienware/MSI

https://www.3dmark.com/3dm/23024672

Let me know what you guys think ?
is this good, or great ? (or too long in the waiting...)

Now this is a stock clocks and stock driver with with Optimus (switchable) even though it's a Extreme CPU.

I always like to give standard results for the baseline so you know what to expect.

I leave it up to you to figure out how crazy this can go, but the temps were good, as this card is only 115W instead of like what we had with the other MSI 1070 Card that so many of us were chop-shopping our laptops to run hahaha (which was 150W, and only in Alienware's did they run perfectly, because Alienwares have so much power for the MXM slot its nuts)

 

Great job as usual, this old machine with 1070 will be alive again, hope that you try with th P570W as well.

 

Here's a list of whats been tested for reference :


@Dr. AMK P570WM3 in there

 

Fantastic list... you are giving hope for all those models owners, I'll try to help marketing those upgrades. Keep going...

 

How were the temps on the haswell extreme?

 

Same as you would expect, the 115W 1070 put outs less heat then a 980M would.
As for the 4940X it's as expected.

 

As expected? Thats mean? Above 100*C?

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Your not attempting to troll me are you ?

Maybe my expectations from the laptops I configure are different then yours, but I have always been able to manage the temps better than that without going EXTREME.

When I do, well, there's a plethora of people who have reviewed my services, hope they speak for themselves, as for what I expect temps to be, should be about 90C actually on the i7-49xxXM when at 4.0Ghz At stock 3.8Ghz/3.9Ghz depending which one, should stay at 75-80C in the AW17/AW18.
Undervolting to barely achieve those clocks (not to be confused with undervolting Skylake or Kabylake, for different reasons), you can remain at 65C, with incredible pasting and low ambience maybe 55C or 40C at Idle. It's all relative really.
However, the AW17 with an Extreme Haswell can got as high as 91C I think before it trips/throttles. (If I am recalling correctly) It actually was one of the first CPU's I found throttled very well.

 

interesting... because when I take msi 1070 vbios and open it with TDP tweaker... it shows 115w TDP by default!

 

Argh, too bad my HM machine won't be able to get this

 

I have a Clevo P170EM with a GTX680M mounted on it now.

If I want to upgrade to a GTX 1070 what I need? Just the GPU? Or also a new Heat sink? Will I need a modded BIOS or vBIOS? Could I install the official NVidia driver or I'll need a modded one?

Please Woodzstack could you contact me privately? I would ask you some questions about the upgrade and the possibility to buy the Card from you.

 

AFAIK with the right card you need a modified heatsink.

 

Hi nice to hear about the upgrading of the good old P170EM, thanks to all of you for all the work you put in.

I am really think about to put a 1060 inside my old ,stable and never made problem baby.
Have some questions. I am on win10 ,no uefi bios (original bios)

Do i have to replace sreen cause of eDP?
Is optimus still working?
Do i need a modbios and where i get?
Where to get 1060? I could get 1 from china ,have some friends over there. Msi or GeCube?
Do i have to install mod nvidia driver all the time?

have a nice day
Marko

 

The EM uses the IGP to drive the displays so the eDP requirement is not a concern, it can be LVDS too.

 

Thanks for information.
If i would get GPU myself, where ill get the BIOS for P170EM ??? I would pay for it !!!

Have a nice Day
Marko

 

oh does it ? Then perhaps they're the same power draw wise, but I was relatively sure they drew more power. how accurate is TDP tweaker ? Does it just read the vbios or does it calculate the draw ?

 

So we had to tweak the vbios again, we found issues. Now it will be 100W. This might limit performance a bit, but then again it's a MXM 3.0B 1070 that fits all these older systems.

 

Sounds Good. But how long is warranty for gpu?

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Brother Woodz does this work on a clevo P375SM-A if I have the edp 120Hz screen? I found the cable and the screen ... Actually the cable is sold by @clevo-extreme

 

We haven't decided on any extra warranty options just standard 90 days. If it doesn't pass our quality standard we wouldn't be selling them at all.
either way right now - anyone buying is going to be an early adopter, we do not have thousands of hours of testing on these yet, that takes time.

Already we've found more and more things to iron out as we continued testing, which is why just this week we had to lower TDP to resolve an issue.

It's not like we're getting help from NVidia like back in the day, so OEMs are truly much more on thier own with these then before.

As for the 120hz panel working in laptops - that needs to be tested next, and figured out how to work.

We have it working with optimus ATM in a ton of laptops. Its a process to go through all these and cerate the various vbioses for them. like we should have dozens of different vbioses in the end, just like we had dozens for the 980M.

This is why it's important to buy from the people who flash these for you to match your laptop, unless you can get the tools to do it yourself, or get help from great people like Prema to do it for you as well.

I am not sure if Prema has done any 1070 vbioses though yet, like we only have a few ourselves and sell 4 physically different 1070 models, takes time and necessity is the mother of all invention.

 

So the EURO 1070 is now down to 90W in the AW17 as an example, the vbios seems to prefer working like this, and the scores on the latest Firestrike gave almost 15,500 for the Graphics. It's faster then a 1060 by far, but maybe 5-10% less performing then a full desktop 1070.

here : https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12487762

For the reduce pricing and considerably less heat generated now, it should not only prove to be a better upgrade but also last longer because of the reduced heat off put as well. This is putting it close to 970M range of heat, meaning even a double heatsink could probably work (but I would recommend triple pipe still, as I always do)

The card MIGHT still draw more then 90W though, but it's been flashed and tested to run 90W essentially.

This should help people who only have 180W PSU's still be able to run the latest badass' GPU in thier older AW systems or older Clevo systems, like P150EM or P170 etc..

 

Hi,

Just wondering, do you have a vBIOS for Quadro P5000m? I'm looking for version before 86.04.3A.00.00

 

Do you mind me asking why you wish the previous vbios ?
We can probably have it, but I would have to check of course.
I personally do not sell many of these cards, because they're the workstation cards and most my customers go straight to the gaming cards and laptops, of course.

 

Hi,
Yes I once had a Quadro P5000m vBIOS version 86.04.17.00.00, which runs happily on my Dell M6700. I returned it because it was an ES card, without backing up the vBIOS, it turned out that I have made a HUGE mistake as that card is so far the ONLY pascal card that runs on Dell M6700. *facepalm* I've found another vBIOS 86.04.3A.00.00, without any luck

I have wasted another ~$1000 ish on engineering sample cards without success :/

So yeah, if you could please help me with that, it'd be great!.

Personally I have no use for the quadro cards. I'd prefer the GTX cards, however due to the physical limitations on M6700 (heatsink) quadro pascals and Asrock Deskmini GTX1060 are the only possibilities theoretically. And the later are nowhere to be found.

Also, if you have early version of vBIOS for GTX 1060/GTX 1070/GTX 1080, please send those to me if possible.

 

Interesting. How complicated is performing this sort of hardware replacement (specifically, in a Clevo P750DM-G)?

 

Score is similar to my 1060.
https://www.3dmark.com/3dm11/12512696

 

oops I misspoke... so editted.

Realise now I actually showed the wrong benchmark result. LOL.

Now to find firestrike result...

So we have a few different vbioses now to use for this card, and testing continues, which is good.
Last one we had was a 90W vbios. It's been tested in ozen a dozen situations using Optimus and works great, not all of the dedicated laptops using eDP connected displays pick it up yet though.

 

I have a P170SM. Have sold the MXM card GTX980M-8GB today and want to put a 1070 of an MSI 16l3 notebook in it seen on eBay.
In your listing it was actually in test? Will it work? Using PremaMod.
The clevo shuts down after a minute without GPU, because of the missing temp feedbacks.
Alternatively would use it with the iGPU as an performant office pc. But need a workaround.

 

You sold the card before finishing testing?

 

yes, right. I offered the hole Notebook AND only the GTX980-8GB on eBay Marketplace. Cause who expects that the internal iGPU won't be enough ? It runs incl. Windows entering, but clevo using temp sensor in the eGPU thinks the temps are too high and shuts it down.Prema wrode he found a solution to run this notebook witout eGPU, but can't really pm him. Another option is to buy GTX1070 an pay a lot for a modified Headsink.

 

It will need modding as the card is wider than standard IIRC.

 

this the card i might buy, ab bit wider, but case has space around the card

 

Not enough space to be plug and play in the 170SM IIRC.

 

thank you, so i have to find a eGPU less solution (maybe BIOS flash) or look for a GTX1060

 

iirc you basically only need a defunct MXM board in the GPU slot for the notebook to function properly off the iGPU as long as the temp sensor is not broken it should work. so maybe just get a cheapass defective MXM GPU off ebay and try that?

 

There is a chance such a card could set itself on fire depending on the failure...

 

now thats a beautiful thought....not

 

Prema was suggesting desoldering the vbios on such a card to stop the card from booting up at all. The temp sensor should still report apparently.

 

there u go, thats the detail i was missing

 

https://www.ebay-kleinanzeigen.de/s-anzeige/nvidia-quadro-fx-2800m-1-gb-mxm-3-0b/758650500-278-247
that Quadro 2800m for 20€ may do the job?

 

Hi,

I have a P177SM (Sager NP8290) that I'm looking to upgrade the GPU on, which is currently a GTX 770M, with an i7 4900MQ. Is the 1070M compatible with this laptop? I currently have the most updated bios from Sager. Would I need a custom vbios in order to get the 1070M to run? I also see that there's 2 different models of the 1070M that people are using for the Clevo laptops; the MXM 3.0 and MXM 3.1. Should I be searching for an MXM 3.0 model?

All of that being said, is it worth it to look into the 1070M, or should I go for a 980M? And is ebay the best place to purchase these currently? Any help would be much appreciated!

Thanks!

 

Check the third post in this thread.

 

I saw that the P17xSM was never tested, but the P15xSM works. Those are pretty much the same computers, so should I assume it'll work fine?

Is there a thread out there that could help with installation? And who could I get the correct vbios from? Does woodzstack sell these GPUs, or should I purchase from ebay?

 

Yes, same motherboard basically so it's very likely to work. You would have to contact him @woodzstack

 

I ended up ordering a 1060N from @woodzstack. Do you know if I would need a modded BIOS/EC in order for the card to be compatible with my system, or is the newest official BIOS version from Sager sufficient, with a possible .inf file change?

Here are my BIOS and EC versions.
BIOS: 1.03.03RLS1
EC: 1.03.01

 

I believe it should work fine.

 

No modded BIOS needed. Only modded drivers.

 

Thanks, guys. I appreciate it! I assume I may need to modify my heatsinks slightly too, but I'm not sure yet. I'm fairly certain there's a slight height difference between the 770M and 1060N.

 

Hey, @Meaker@Sager, would you by any chance have a newer BIOS and EC update for the NP8290/P177SM than the versions I have? I currently have BIOS version: 1.03.03RLS1 and EC version: 1.03.01. I got the 1060N card installed properly, but I am unable to boot using either UEFI or Legacy Boot Mode. My BIOS is currently reading the VGA Card as Unknown. I have seen that there are at least 2 newer BIOS versions from Clevo for this system, but Sager Tech Support said the BIOS and EC versions I have are the newest ones they have.

 

The unknown part is normal.
What do you mean u're unable to boot?