NOW I am stoked! (95% gamut screen just calibrated)

OMG. I have a pretty good eye for color and had immediately noticed the crazy amount of red in my new Sager's screen, so one of the first things I did was to use the nvidia controls to tame the red and try to achieve a neutral gray. I got it looking "better", but I knew I didn't have the capability to fine tune it enough to be accurate enough for working with photos. Being an avid amateur photog, I really need super accurate color rendition in a monitor and I can say that once you calibrate it (using something like the Spyder 3 Elite) the colors are incredibly lifelike. In other words when it's calibrated, you can hold up a color reference such as the xrite passport, to the screen, and the color patches are nearly all IDENTICAL to what you see on screen, including the super-subtle off-white & gray patches used for warming/cooling a photo during post processing. Of course, one must have an accurate camera and white balance for taking the image of the xrite target in order to see the colors match when the real target is held up to the screen which is displaying an image of the target with accurate white balance in the photo app. Finally, I can see that the extra money for this 95% gamut screen was worth the investment. Anyone doing color critical work should be fairly happy with this screen, and the only thing I'll say that's a bit of a negative is that eye placement, relative to the screen is critical. viewing from slightly below head-on gives a green image, above or to the side gives a reddish image. Viewed straight on, it's a wonder to see how lifelike the colors are.

Wide gamut screens, as others before me have stated, really need calibration in order to be accurate. They (at least this screen) didn't come out of the factory even remotely accurate in color.

 

Which system did you get? is it the matte or glossy screen?

 

That right there is why we always have calibrated the screen on EVERY laptop for FREE. Otherwise you just aren't doing it justice :smile:

 

Matte. No more glossy screens for me, now that I've got a laptop and a 32" monitor in matte.

 

Post the ICC profile.

 

Here is a update from Sager, we have the ICC profile. Here is a link for one Sager made for the 15.6" 95% Matte ICC Profile.

 

Can someone share the mythlogic profile to compare.

 

Profile or ban!

 

Hey, man, give us your profile file...

 

Here are a few more profiles courtesy of Sager for some of the other screens. Is nobody else going to share??

Link 1 (728x HS)
Link 2 (NP8130 AUO17ED Glare)
Link 3 (NP 8130 Matte 95)

 

Thanks Justin.

 

you if really want accurate colors just get a spyder and let it calibrate for you.

i have calibrated my lcd once with it but after having to reinstall windows i never bothered to do it again, now this 200dollars calibrator just sits in a corner in my basement. unless you edit photos or graphics design a non calibrated lcd is fine.

 

Mine was just $159. spyder 3 Elite. and I do lots of photo work.

 

LOL! That ICC file is already on my 8130. For grins I just enabled it. HEHE! If you LOVE the color RED and don't care about any other color, go ahead and use that file. It's HIDEOUSLY out of balance. wow. I should take a picture and upload it. stand by, folks.....

guess which one is the ICC from Sager....




EDIT: those two photos were color balanced ( in LR, using an xrite gray card included in one of the photos) so that they accurately depict the color of my screen with two different profiles. if YOUR monitor isn't reasonably accurate, you may not see what I see, in these two images.

 

Try the one for the 8130 I just posted up, I personally have not tried them yet. Sager just sent them out.

 

dave1812, post your profile for unlimited flow of reputation points.

 

I just tried the new one. it is identical in color to the older one.

 

what's the diff between ICM and ICC files? my profile from spyder is an ICM whereas the sager ones are ICC.

 

There is no difference between the two, just different extensions. .ICC was the original mac extension and .ICM was the Windows version, they both contain the exact same information and can be used interchangeably.

 

awesome. was hoping they are functionally identical so as not to be concerned which ones to use. thx.

 

Can you please share your system spec? GPU and Panel HW ID from the Device Manager?

It should not turn it red as you have posted.

 

gtx 560m
LEN40B2


is that what u meant? and don't forget if your monitor isn't accurate, it may look even more red than what I see here (to evaluate the color, of course I switched back to my spyder profile )

 

^ Wanna share that profile dave?

 

I have forwarded this to a Sager Engineer when I saw your first post and he advised the below. First pic is before 2nd is after.

 

I am aware that the angle makes a difference. I noticed that the minute I received the laptop. however, the discrepancy in color accuracy (the red tint) is instantly noticeable. Heck, when the computer first boots up, the black screen is dark red! Not until color management takes over, does it tame it. No other monitor I've used or seen (not talking about sagers) has done this at boot up. which makes me wonder if anyone that worked on assembling my computer noticed the massive color problem.

I could ready my camera during boot up and take a shot while the screen is dark, but backlit before it hits the desktop. the black LCD bezel would give a good reference to the reddish tint of the monitor.

 

The light hitting the lid looks differnt too

 

After speaking with Sager Engineering on it they have said the below:

 

take a look at this! this is at boot up. have u ever seen a screen so freakin' red? there is NO color management going on--it's not into windows yet.

geez, do I have to knock u guys over the head to tell you this thing is R-E-D??? it's more red on the left. even the word "Sager" is pinkish.

Maybe I should get reimbursed the $160 i spent on the spyder.

 

The problem is Sager Engineers are doing the same thing with the Driver I listed above several times and not a bit of reddish tone. Are you using the same driver posted above?

The pictures above are the same consistent results Sager Engineering has received since testing this. They are using a tripod so the angles and exactly the same.

Sager will continue to investigate it.

 

nope. it's 8.17.12.6849 date is 5/5/2011

I can't imagine that the driver would change the boot up color!! this screen is fundamentally RED. drivers don't kick in until you've got windows running.

 

Well they are using the same hardware as you with that driver so I suspect it may be the driver. Why don't you try it as I will forward your Driver to Sager for testing?

It surely won't hurt to try, right?

 

sure. but like I said, the screen is red before it boots into windows, so the problem here is that we are starting with a problem child. the screen should be relatively neutral before it hits windows. all the drivers in the world aren't going to fix the hardware issue. they can MASK it, but they aren't fixing the fundamental issue. please send them my last image, showing "Sager" during boot up. u can't miss the red.

 

I've said it before and I'll say it again... This "universal stuff" isn't going to work. These 95% gamut screens are WAY TO PICKY! Some are much warmer than others and some have just downright cold colors by default. I also know this:

Clevo has been buying A grade screens and sorting out the ones with stuck / dead pixels (to a point) for use in their laptops (Standard Practice by everyone no big deal not their fault at all). The issue being is the color consistency of each screen isn't being sorted as its really not their concern, and AUO's own guidelines on A grade screens stipulate that it isn't either. We have our own supply of Z grade screens right from AUO which have better color consistency, but still it varies. (Z is the top of the line grade from AUO)

Also these screens were contract made for Lenovo, using their stock color temps that are / were corrected for automatically in Lenovo's firmware for their video cards. Also why you see an option on the W series to have a built in colorometer to work on these screens. Even lenovo realizes that each have to be calibrated to look proper, but they have built into their BIOS / EC / Video firmware some correction of the colors already so that the red hue you see doesn't happen.

We've looked at the color profile from Sager as posted, using the same drivers as posted. We looked at 5 different screens, 2 of them have the obvious red hue, 2 have a almost undetectable red hue and 1 almost has a blue hue to it using Sager's color profile as posted. Also the deltaE on this profile as recalibrate (AKA using their profile as a starting point) is way over 1 on R G B so I don't know what they calibrated with but its not right. So its not the fault of the nVIDIA drivers, or the AMD drivers, as we saw the same thing when we swapped in a 6990m for the 560m on the screens.

So overall, the universal is never going to be very universal, as these screens just by the way they are made will always be inconsistent.

 

@ dave1812 maybe we should set up a RMA for yours to be evaluated by a Technician @ Sager. It is really hard to judge without the machine in front of us. If it is a problem with the screen itself it maybe worth it so we can get it replaced.

 

Thank you!! Nice to see someone here not complaining about the "angle of the photos I took" as being the culprit. It's clear that my monitor is excessively red when it's not color managed, as witnessed by my last image during boot up. For Sager techs to muse about my photo technique or driver versions is really missing the point.

 

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After discussing more with Sager Engineering here is some more info from the Engineer:

 

This sounds like a good idea. I think it would be helpful to have warmer and colder color options, since it appears every 95% gamut screen is different.

I hope Sager will provide these additional profiles.

 

"warmer" and "colder" in the sense that televisions have color temp options, but my screen is way beyond "warm". it's more like HOT PINK.

However, by using the Spyder, the screen calibrates quite well, and as long as I move my exact eyepoint to be directly perpendicular to any screen area that I need to see accurate color, the screen is satisfactory. The color shift is apparent even by closing one eye and then the other, due to the spacing of one's eyes. I am dealing with the issue via viewing technique. it (the screen technology) isn't perfect, but it is useful for photo editing.

 

dave1812--in hindsight, do you think it was worth it to get the 95% gamut screen? If you could do it again, would you choose the stock matte screen?

I'm not sure I would invest in Spyder 3 Elite and this issue seems like a headache. I already know having a red screen will bother me a great deal. But I am curious as to what insight you could provide, in hindsight. Thanks.

 

I'm just going to throw in my opinion. I myself have a 95% gamut matte in my P150HM, and I love it. Why??? I purchased my system from Mythlogic. They did a great job calibrating my display and it is both vibrant and beautiful

 

For me, the color gamut is worth the hassle and believe you me, it HAS been a hassle! But now that it's calibrated and I have an xrite colorchecker passport, my photo post processing is vastly improved. without accurate color it's really not practical to do critical color work on a PC. No matter if I want to send prints to a lab or print them myself, I've got to have good color or what's the point in taking high quality photos. If all I wanted to do was surf, do email, play games, and watch blu-ray or DVD's, the regular matte screen would be fine, like the one I had on a DV6. it was a 1920x1080 matte screen and worked fine except it wasn't wide gamut for photo processing. I loved it. I'd still have that laptop if it wasn't for the switchable graphics problems. When I had the DV6 I was looking into getting a large wide gamut monitor.

 

I have implemented this official sager .icc... I have hp 8540p with Nvidia NVS 5100, panel AUO B156HW01 V4, of course...
Picture is now different- it is not too bad, but a little too much green (it was too much red by default)...

@Dave- why you do not want to upload your profile for us to test it?

 

Man, some people treat their own profiles like national treasures. Sharing ain't that serious.

And sometimes the specific screen is just too snobby about whose profile it want to run. Outside of my beautiful default profile, every other calibrated ICC I've tested has turned my screen an extreme shade of red.

 

I have a ProStar P150HM 460M 95% glossy sgreen. I loaded the Sager profile and it is different than the default. It did take a couple of minutes to get used to. Colors are definitely richer and sharper.

 

Thanks for the feedback for those that are testing the Sager ICC Profiles.

 

I know, right?.. Tightwads...

 

Thanks for the input.
The thing is, buying from Mythlogic would cost me more than buying from a Sager reseller + Spyder 3 Elite. I just wish the Sager resellers also provided quality calibration like Mythlogic does.

 

Sager is working on different profiles and will have several color profiles by next week. I will be updating a few more this evening that were just made today by Sager Engineering.

 

Lol

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