NP 9262 vs NP5796

I'm going to college next month, and I need a laptop to replace my failing desktop. Of course, I'll be carrying my laptop to class everyday, so I'm looking for something convenient. However, I also want something that would last me 3-4 years. As a result, I'm torn between the NP 9262 and the 5796 (refered to the 62 and 96 respectively henceforth). The 96 is much lighter and much easier to carry around to classes. However, I can put only a laptop dual core processor on it, which might be completely outdated within 2 years. With the 62, I get a quad core desktop processor for a much heavier weight. I get a longer lifespan, though with possibly a greater chance of causing damage due to the weight.

The price of the two will be about a $100 difference with the 62 costing more. I'm going with a standard 9800 GT and one 320 GB harddrive in both. Which would be the better choice for me?


Btw, I heard that the 62 can't be overclocked. Is that true?

 

It depends on your preference.

And no, you cannot OC the CPU in the 9262 (Clevo D901C) there is no BIOS option for it, as well as no software out there that can do it.
... only the Q6600 pin-mod OC has been shown to work... which is not recommended by Clevo or their vendors.

I would go for a quad-core CPU to future proof yourself since games in development and new apps are multi-threaded to fully utilize all cores. And its great for video/audio converting.

 

9262 can't be oced.....yet that might change I'm not sure. I am determining between the two also. I'm leaning towards the 5796 myself. It has too many pros over it compared to the 9262.

Weight, Chipset, Memory, CPU draws much less power and OC, 9800GT/GTX compatible, 17in with 1920x1200 option, eSata, HDMI, Fingerprint reader

What's odd about these particular computer forums is how everyone is so obsessed on here about Quad Core. If you don't have the proper applications to utilize Quad (Almost entirely production/editing software), why are you buying it? Dual Core works great for everything out period and it's just now being put to use in applications/games/etc.

If you are serious about production work and editing, you're going to have a desktop regardless made for it. If you plan on lugging your laptop to class or bringing it all over, the 5796 still makes more sense.

 

Why a quad-core 9262? (1) a degree of additional longevity, as apps that use quad cores will grow more numerous - stick with a dual core and you'll need to either upgrade CPU or, more likely, computer, in a shorter length of time, and (2) unless you're a professional doing production/editing, in which case you will almost certainly have a desktop, you may not be able to get a desktop due to personal living constraints/desires; further, even if you're a professional, you may need a moveable desktop that comes in one handy-dandy package, to date, no desktop fits that description, the 9262 on the other hand, does.

 

8 lbs. vs. 12 lbs., a strappling young stud (or lady) like you should be able to take that extra 4 lbs. without problem, I'd suspect.

Mobile Quad Cores are coming out for the Clevo M570TU (Sager NP5796) in the very near future. Some folks are already working on slapping one on.

3 HD's vs. one. But with eSATA and a 320GB HD, those 2 extra HD's are just extra weights.

SLI, now there's the big difference between the 2 system. Dual 8800GTX vs. a single 9800GTX. Will the D901C have dual 9800GTX in the future? Let's hope so!

HDMI & eSATA ports, only the M570TU has these.

 

It was confirmed that it will be possible

 

Ok.. instead of making another post about a similar topic, I figured you guys would appreciate if I post this in this post considering it is in step with the topic.

I am wondering the same question. I have spoken to friends of mine whom I consider to be PC Guru's and I am still not content... I would like to ask the question here aswell.
Two systems, the 9262 and the 5796. Specs as follows.
9262:
1920*1200
Quad core Q9450 2.6 1333fsb
4Gig 800 ram
Waiting untill august and getting a single 9800GTX card. (Hoping to upgrade that to SLI as I need to in the future).
320 5400 SATAII 300 harddrive.

5795:
1920*1200
Dual core T9600 2.8 1066fsb
4Gig 1066 ram
Waiting untill august and getting a 9800GTX card.
320 5400 SATAII 300 harddrive.

Both these systems come in, from xoticPC, at right under 3k and that is my budget.

Now for the question...
Considering that I want to keep this machine for the next 3+ years, which one would hold up better in the long run.
I use the machine 100% for gaming. I do no video editing, I do no sound editing/mixing or whatever, and I dont create 3D images. The most multitasking I may do is alt-tab between game and browser to look up things while I have music running on either WinAmp or WMP minimized. I like playing a variety of games, but preffer MMO's and RPG games. While I dabble a bit in FPS games from time to time, I would mainly like to be able to run most RPG games in the near future at max settings. I also dont really like overclocking things as I am not that familiar in doing so, and I would rather not run the risk of melting something as hard to replace parts in as a laptop.

I am aware that this is a somewhat speculative question, but yeah.

Things that annoy me about the 9262...
No HDMI port, while I am most likely not going to use it a LOT, its a nice addition.
Missmatching speed on the CPU and the RAM, now... I dont know how much of a problem this is, but I was always told to keep things in harmony.

Things I like about the 9262. The possibility to upgrade the GFX card to Dual 9800GTX cards which would give me a lot more longevity and allow me to space out the cost of the system. However... as fast as the trends move... I was told by friends that my upgrade to SLI may have to come rather quickly, considering that THAT specific GFX card produced by Sager/Clevo would get discontinued and then I would be SOL.
The size... I have heard that the size diff between the 5796 and the 9262 are quite extreme. 4lbs... I dont care about 4lbs diff, I am talking about physical size in regards to mobility. I will be carying and setting this laptop up at work. I will already be carying 5.1 surround headphones, laptop cooler and the damn cinderblock power supply, but yeah.
Battery life. I have read reviews of the 9262 where they reffer to the powersupply as a UPS. Is it really that bad... even when not stressing the CPU/GPU?

Nothing really annoys me about the 5796, except the thought that I may not be getting the most I can for my money. The Montevina is a new processor and as such is rather expensive for what I can get. The increased mobility is also something you pay for, battery life and everything. The 9262 became considerably more interesting when the price on the Desktop quad core processors they have been using dropped a lot.

So... after reading through all that... help me out here please lol. Considering that the two systems are so close in price now, I am sure more people have this question and I know that I, for one, would be thrilled to see you Guru's shed some light on this issue.

Thanks in advance!
Erlend

 

Both would do fine as long as you take care of the system.

The Sager 9262 (Clevo D901C) will probably have a little more longevity (time value of money) since its using a desktop platform.

Example: When I choose my D900K (predecessor of the D901C) back in March 2006, I had a choice of a Pentium M (mobile platform) with 7800M GTX or go for a slightly heavier/thicker system with a desktop platform. I have gotten my notebook at the same time as another friend that chose the Pentium M route. My system is still strong and powerful (with the dual core), he has since sold his notebook over a year ago to get a Core 2 Duo system.

Those are not really issues.

1) You can get yourself an inexpensive DVI-HDMI adapter... done... now you can connect by HDMI up to a 1920x1200 external display or TV.
.... and this notebook has an extremely rare Dual Link DVI to even output WQXGA (2560×1600)... nice.

2) The mismatch is speed is a misconception. You must realize that a CPU's FSB matching the RAM's speed has not happened since the days of the single core x86 CPUs. There are a number of post here that have explained this well... the main gist is "Remember that the FSB will be transferring data on the PCI bus as well as to/from memory, so a speed mismatch between FSB and memory isn't necessarily a bad thing."

Its not that bad. You still get about 1.5-2.0 hours of batterylife when doing basic stuff (web browsing, research, listening to music, etc..) on battery.

I would go for the notebook that would give you the most for the money, as well as fits your wants and needs (future proofing, weight is not a burden, etc..)

Since you can get it, go for the world's fastest notebook, Clevo D901C (Sager 9262) then.

And get yourself a Targus XL backpack and you are good to go.

 

I just got off the phone with Frank at Sager Technical department. I asked him about the posibility to simply input another 9800GTX card and have them run in SLI mode and he was unsure if that would work. It is 100% that the 9262 will come with the 9800GTX card, but it is not possible to say whether or not it will be possibly to simply get another card and install it, OR, if the machine will need anotther MB revision. If thats the case... the idea of future upgradability in the GPU department are kinda out the window.

The 9262 is gaining strength though. And yeah.. backpack is a must!
Thanks Gophn your the man!

 

ABSOLUTELY TRUE

+ REP

 

FYI, they said the same thing about other videocards to be put into SLI.

Its usually the drivers/software that needs to be programmed and stable for Sager to fully confirm that they can support SLI.

So after the 9800M GTX's are out, I would give it a short period of time before drivers are written that would support them in SLI configurations.

 

So can the quads in the 9262 be upgrade? That would probably make my mind up for me if I could upgrade the cpu if needed.

 

Yes, you can pretty much upgrade the CPU in any current mainstream notebook yourself.

the Clevo D901C (Sager 9262) is using a desktop LGA775 CPU.

 

What would you think would be the ram upgrade possibilities in the 9262? I still have to do more reading to fully understand why the slower speed of the ram, coupled with it being DDR2, is not a deficit for longevity. Is it because it can be upgraded to a massive 8gig?
If I remember correctly though, there is no way one could get the 9262 to run any other type ram then DDR2 because the pin layout is different.

Thanks again!

Oh yeah... last thoughts... After seeing that the dimensions of the two machines are virtually identical, except for the 9262 being about half an inch thicker, the 9262 is picking up steam. With the possibility to upgrade the processor in the future aswell... especially seeing as how it is running desktop CPU's it looks like the winner simply thanks to its massive computing power.

 

The Clevo D901C (Sager 9262) can be upgraded easily.

CPU: is standard LGA775 desktop Intel CPUs

RAM: can top out 8GB DDR2-800 SODIMM (only 8GB DDR2-667 available at the moment)
.... but most people would never even use 4GBs for gaming or professional work.

 

Although $365 is a lot, I look at the video card as an investment. Either I'll pay around $600 for the GT or $900 for the GTX (something like that). They are both expensive, so I might as well invest in the right one. Upgrading HDD's is fine since the notebook can take 3. Also, upgrading CPU's is not a huge deal as there are many of them to choose from, over time (it seems).

Thanks again

 

+1 to 9262.Gophn has said it well.

 

If you want the baddest, fastest, most versatile and upgradable notebook in the world...but don't mind lugging around the hefty weight, extra adapters and wires due to lack of HDMI & eSATA ports....then get the NP9262. If you're into performance, the NP9262 is KING!

If portability is more important to you, get the lighter 5796 with single HD & single GPU. Still plenty of punch, though, to get the job done.

If fancy schmancy flashing lights and back lit keyboards appeal to you and you got money to burn, look at the alienware m17x or dell xps m1730.

 

Well, if you have no interest in a SLI graphics solution, but still want more hard disk space, you could get the 5796 (or the 860) and then use the esata connection for an equaly fast external hard drive. You can get 1TB seagate pro external drives for 99 GBPs and my guess, cheaper in the USA.

 

yep if you want brutal performance but dont care much bout the portability(although having said that i still take my 9262 around for work purposes) then the sager NP 9262 if not go for 5796

 

If you've been:

training in martial arts since childhood
have cat like ninja reflexes
ultra efficient body metabolism
with zero percent body fat
demand nothing but the very best in performance
don't mind lugging around a ~20 lbs. back pack

.....like Gophn

then by all means get the NP9262! You'd be king of the hill for certain!

 

If you've been:

training in the arts of eating fast food
have statue like reflexes
ultra efficient body metabolism converting food to fat in no time
at least 50% body fat
demand nothing but the very best in performance
don't mind lugging around a ~20lbs back pack since you never will.

then by all means get the 9262! You'd be king of the KFC for certain!

Having said that, in this case, get any laptop you want, it won't make a difference.

 

^Rep up for that one! LOL

 

Well I've marched for miles with a full pack and an M1 at port arms so I think I'll be fine

 

Zoiks!!! With that M1, you can buy whatever notebook that pleases you. Not a peep more from me!