NP5792 / NP5793 Update

Date: 1/10/2008

Sager New Model NP5793

Starting Monday 1/14/2008:

Sager NP5792 / NP5793

All nVIDIA GeForce 8700M GT w/512MB orders will be shipped with Sager current model NP5792 (Clevo M570RU)

All nVIDIA GeForce 8800M GTX w/512MB orders will be shipped with Sager new model NP5793 (Clevo M570RU-U)

Main differences of NP5793 (Clevo M570RU-U) is that the bottom case and CPU heat-sink has been revised to support the Intel mobile Extreme edition processors, giving user control to additional 1x or 2x over the default CPU bus multiplier in the system BIOS.
IE:

X7900/X9000 standard clock 2.8GHz (800FSB / 4 = 200 x 14 = 2800)
Over 1x would = to 3.0GHz (800FSB / 4 = 200 x 15 = 3000)
Over 2x would = to 3.2GHz (800FSB / 4 = 200 x 16 = 3200)

Since the pricing of Intel Mobile Extreme X7900 and X9000 are at the same pricing point, we will not be offering the X7900 processor; we will start accepting X9000 pre-orders once we are provided a firm ETA when the processor will be available by the Intel distributors.

Additional news:

Intel T8100 / T8300 / T9300 / T9500 are now in stock and will begin shipment to customers on Monday 1/14/2008 as well.

 

For the penryn we absolutly need this need mobo ? right?

 

I don't suppose its possible to just buy a CPu through xotic pc is it?

 

Well, is the new BIOS compatible to old MB? I'd love to see a Pic of the new bottom case and CPU heat-sink.

 

The Extreme X9000 is what this is necessary for. Here are some pics of the new bottom casing and the new professionally designed heatsink from Clevo

 

If you did not buy a Sager, but from another reseller, how can you tell if you have or have not received the newest version (M570RU-U)? Because I received mine today (see sig).

Just see your pics Justin, I get the point

Seems I did not get the newest one... However, is this another NEW motherboard revision also? Or is it just the casing and the heatsink? And will you be able to change it yourself later on if you decide to get a more powerfull CPU?

 

Can we just buy the new bottom case and CPU heat-sink alone?

 

Are the 5791 users required to get the new casing and sink for the X CPUs? and how much would that cost?

 

Which version has the new Motherboard?

 

Humm Clevo made a bad choice... more fans are not de solution...

An dual heat pipe like the GPU cooler would be much much better than the single heatpipe adopted on the CPU cooler...

I know an Clevo knows that ad one more fan is cheaper but an dual heat pipe with a little bigger fan with more air flow was the solution, less noise I think...

 

^^More fans, where do you see this at? No fans were added. Only hardware that was changed was the bottom casing and heatsink.

 

For some of the other questions,

The BIOS will be shared between the NP5792 / NP5793 , however Sager is still deciding if it will auto block the Over clocking functions when flashed into the older revision motherboards.

Sager NP5793 (Clevo M570RU-U) has a newer revision motherboard V5.x, improvements were made to support extreme with over clocking.

Sager will only recognize support of the extreme edition processors on NP5793 (Clevo M570RU-U) with motherboard V5.0 and above.

Installing the X series CPU in any older motherboards will not be supported by Sager, regardless of the CPU heat-sink and bottom cover.

Sager NP5792 (Clevo M570RU) with motherboard revision of V4.x, these motherboards are approved to support T8100 / T8300 / T9300 / T9500. Sager & Clevo have not approved the X7900 / X9000 extreme processors on the V4.x revision of motherboards regardless of the thermal solution.

 

I'm just hoping this whole new motherboard thing (AGAIN!!) will not lead to other disadvantages of revision V4.x owners for future upgradeability.. Which leads to the logical question:

Are the changes made to the Mb ONLY for the Xtreme CPU support? Or are there other things we should know of?

 

The only change was for the Xtreme.

 

Another new motherboard. just incredible. 5792 was only released in December and now we have yet another new model.

 

Indeed and it looks as if Clevo is always being suprised by new developments and has to produce a new motherboard. I suppose the explanation is that Intel suddenly changed the specs on new processors, just like nVidia did with 8800.

 

It is unfortunate that there is a motherboard change. There is always going to be changes to keep up with technology. It is fast paced and always changing.

 

That's an understatement to say the least. I think of the last 5 years I've been watching Sager machines, the 579x series has changed the most.

 

i dont need or want a Xtreme series CPU so my 5792 will work just fine.

come to think of it i have a 5793 that just isnt X series CPU ready. im happy with that...

 

not to be a downer, but that J-lo looking backend where the "Extreme Edition" inscription is looks like the backend will be really.... fat.

When you get one in, can you take, say a stack of CD's and compare a 5790/1/2 backend with a 5793' backend?

I'd guessti-mate that the 5790/1/2 sits at about 13-15 CD's tall at its' highest point; that 4th attachment picture looks like it'll sit higher then 20 CD's; I'd start to be concerned about what carrying cases it would be able to fit in.

 

hey justin so with the new design and new heat sink will the sager fan going to be louder or quiter. Just curious

 

the real question that I have been persisting to CLEVO (since the first release) is:

"When are you going to make a fan toggle for the M570RU/M571RU ?"

If they actually spend a day or so to add the feature and update the Keyboard firmware, then the fan noise issue (that is making the system look bad) would pretty much go away if the fan speed is constant.

Hint, Hint to CLEVO.... (this will help you sell more notebooks)

P.S. If other Clevo vendors/resellers can pass this along, it should also help your cause. Thanks.

 

agree with yah there

 

I'm sure the fan cant be that loud. My old HP zd8000 and this dv9700t has loud fans that are running all the time and really kick up when gaming.

 

The heights are actually the same. If you sat them side by side they would be the same height. Look at the battery on the right side. You will see it has a large "lip" on the foot peg that sticks out. On the left side it barely sticks out. The battery would have to had been modified also if it sat higher.

I will post a pic side by side with the 5792 later showing this.

I have also added a image of the CPU heatsinks side by side (5792 vs. 5793) on post #5 on Page 1. You will see the new 5793 has a larger heat pipe. The newly added vent above the CPU presently does not have a fan but the fan is on reserve should it be needed in the future to dissipate additional heat. (There is also a added fan power header on the motherboard in case it is needed in the future)

Gophn I will pass along your suggestion

 

Thank you, Justin.

I think it's worth getting the newer revision simply for the upgraded heatsink on the proc.. Look at the difference!

 

Come on...too much upgradeability sucks. You're loosing money every time they come up with almost the same laptop if you want to upgrade.

 

How are you losing money? Wouldn't you be losing more money if you caved in and bought that useless 10% more power upgrade?

The ability to upgrade is convenient, but it doesn't mean you have to utilize it.

 

Thanks for the both heatsink pics Justin, now we can have an idea of how larger it is...


About the extra fan that I´ve mentioned before, because the extra vent above the CPU had the same shape as the vent of the main CPU fan, I thought that below that vent had some kind of fan...

What Clevo should have done, was increase the heat flow between the base of the cooler and the heatsink it self. That could be done by adding another heat pipe or put a larger one. They have done that, but I think that the extra size of the 57RU-U pipe is not enough...

On my point of view, because of the limited space between the CPU fan and the GPU fan,



using an dual heatpipe side-by-side like the one on the GPU cooler could not be possible, so I think that an dual heatpipe one above the other is the best solution.

Something like this sry not very good designer )




With that extra heatipe, I think that the extra future fan and that slightly higher heatsink that requires that new "extreme edition" chassis base would not be needed, maintaining the actual chassis base "hood" of the RU.

 

Justin, is it possible to upgrade an "old" M570RU/NP5790 to a NP5793?
If it is possible, how much would it cost?

A good point of reference would be the upgrade packet for the 8800.
Packets are:
1) Full swap (MB + 8800M + labor) @899 for Sager brand - @1099 for non-Sager brand
2) Rework (8800m + LABOR) @745 for Sager brand - @845 for non-Sager brand
3) DIY (8800M) @745

How much extra would it cost to prepare/rebuild the NP5790 for the X9000, but without providing the CPU? And how much would it cost to actually include the X9000? (If this rework is possible at all, of course )

 

Thanks for suggestion Audigy. The picture you mocked up really helps (and a good job by the way, +1 rep). I will forward this information on.

Edit: Kwakkel, I will check further into this and report back when I get a confirmed answer on this.

 

@Kwakkel:

Sager is still evaluating how the upgrades will proceed (remember, the upgrade program doesn't start until Tuesday), so they asked us to wait just a bit for their final conclusion. As soon as they let the resellers know, we will let you know.

 

Justin, when will the new 5793 be up on your site?

 

The new Sager NP5793 will be available on all Sager reseller sites today, Friday the 11th, when you order a GeForce 8800M video card. It still says "NP5792" but when you order the 8800M you will get the new NP5793 body including the new bottom case and new thermal solution.

 

It will be up today!

Edit: Let me add order a 8800M GTX on NP5792 and receive a NP5793 starting Monday... So feel free to proceed with placing a order for the 5792 w/ 8800GTX and you will get the 5793.

 

Thanks I will check back later this afternoon and place an order. I am glad there is the option out there to hace a non glossy screen solution in a gaming notebook.

Love that I was told by AW that the screen I ordered was for sure a non glossy only to find out that they were wrong. I would have been thrilled to find out after I got the computer and then been forced to pay the %15 restoking fee.

Can't wait for my first Sager!

 

As previously promised here are the picture of the 5792 and the 5793 side by side showing it is not any taller

 

I ordered a 5792 a few days ago and it shipped Thursday... which will I be getting? I got it with the 8800MGTX from Sager.

 

I'm guessing that you'll get the 5792 because they start shipping the 5793 on Monday, but yours is already shipped.

 

Only those shipped after Monday the 14th will be the NP5793 if it is ordered with the 8800M video card.

 

Oh alright... so Im confused what are the major drawbacks? Just upgradeability? If thats so, thats ok I dont plan to upgrade the processor I think.

Also are the new 45nm vastly superior performance wise or just in power consump. and heat Im getting the Core 2 Duo 2.4ghz (not penryn) and that has 4MB cache.. how does that compare to the equivelen penryn version?

How much better power usage, heat does it have anyway.. I feel like Penryn is alot of hype, havent seen anything that shows its like much better... or even at all better.

 

For clarification:

1. When the GeForce 8800M is ordered on the NP5792 from today forward until the official release of the NP5793 it will come with the new NP5793 body.

2. Once the firm pricing and ETA for the X processors is received from Intel the NP5793 will be "officially" released as a separate model.

3. The GeForce 8800M with the new NP5793 body is now available on our website.

 

NP5793 will not be officially released until we get a firm ETA of the X9000 series CPU from Intel Disty.

Just upgradeability (X9000 CPU) and overclocking is what you lose with the 5792 (and also the new heatsink and bottom casing). The main benefits of Penryn are the Cache size and Power Optimizing. I am sorry I dont have the actual % of better power usage.

The 5792 with the details on the 5793 is now live on our site.

 

Alright, but I mean the 2.4Ghz is still good yeah? Also, the 5792 is still overclockable yes? just maybe not as much?

 

The Penryn is a significant improvement over the Santa Rosa for several reasons. A great review of the two can be found at http://www.anandtech.com/cpuchipsets/intel/showdoc.aspx?i=3195

 

The 2.4GHz is still good. I recommend looking at the excellent info Paladin posted above with more detailed info

 

The NP5792 does not offer the X processors and is not overclockable.

The Penryn is 2.5GHz with 6MB of L2 Cache for the same price as the Santa Rosa 2.4GHz with 4MB of L2 Cache.

Only the X processors on the NP5793, once released, will be overclockable.

 

Do you have any date for that Paladin?

 

That? Exactly which that are you referring to?

 

Thanks for the info Paladin and XopticPC. Seems like Penryn has 16-17% Battery Life imrpovment and marginal system improvment (2-5%). Video encoding and stuff (divx programs and mpegs) seems vastly better with penryn 30-40%, I dont do that stuff tho.
So I guess Penryn wouldnt make a big difference for me, since im always plugged in and dont do hardcore video encoding stuff. Just gaming for me.

Im not to worried about overclocking the 2.4ghz processor on the 5792 I guess, should be plenty good for what im gonna do dont even know how to overclock a proccessor anyway lol. As long as I can oc. my graphics card a tiny bit ill be happy.

1 last question, does Sager have anyone on these forums like you guys?
also in the future if i really wanted to could i upgrade my proc. to a penryn?