NP5797 comes with 280m GTX??!?!?

is this true i just checked their site and the 5797 comes standard with the 280m GTX

 

Yes it is true. Please see this thread for more info. They should ship towards the end of this month. I will be ordering mine today most likely.

 

yes it will come with the 280m gtx but i'll wait for the mobility 4860

 

I think I am going to swap from the np8660 to the 5797. I can only afford to get the 2.4 processor but I will probably upgrade that in a couple months or so.

 

the M860TU (NP8660) will have GTX 260... and maybe GTX 280 if the thermal design can handle it.

 

So I placed my order spec'd as follows:

Sager NP5797
17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera and Mic
Custom Fitted Laptop Back LCD Skin
Intel® P9600 45nm Core 2 Duo 2.66GHz w/6MB L2 On-die cache - 1066MHz FSB 25 watt
Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
nVidia GeForce GTX 280M 1,024MB PCI-Express DDR3 DX10
4,096MB DDR3 1066MHz Dual Channel Memory
320GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
2X Blue-Ray Read/8X DVDRW Super Multi Combo Drive
Internal Bluetooth + EDR
Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 5300 802.11 a/g/n Wi-Fi Link
Integrated Fingerprint Reader
Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader
Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
Smart Li-ion Battery (8-Cell)
Basic Black Business Case
Windows Vista Home Premium 64-Bit Installed
Microsoft Office 2007 SBE
3 Year Parts/Labor Warranty 24/7 Tech Support w/ LCD Accidental Damage Protection
$2,887.69

I have never really done any benchmarking before, but I will be happy to run a couple once I get it if no one beats me too it. I can't wait till the end of this month!

 

Any word on a date for the NP8660 having the 260 or 280? I ordered the 5797 today. I cant afford the best processor so I may replace it later along with getting a blu-ray player. I wish I had the money to spec it out like 2887 but we have a 10 month old and it was tough enough to get the 1900 approved lol

 

thats a lot of money

you basically paid 1200 bucks more for negligible performance gains over the GT725

 

My thoughts exactly, paying anymore that a GT725 for dual core+ single GPU is overpriced...

 

you know... without
Microsoft Office 2007 SBE
3 Year Parts/Labor Warranty 24/7 Tech Support w/ LCD Accidental Damage Protection

which I don't think is needed

the PC is
$2196.08-$2264.00

 

Prob just the 260M as it is just a die shrunk 9800M GTX Oc'd and as we remember the TDP of the 9800 GTX was too much for the 8660 to handle.
So the 280M GTX prob has the same TDP of the current 9800M GTX even though it has a smaller die as is clocked higher and has more Shaders.

The 260 should still be at LEAST a 30% improvement over a 9800M GTS with stock clocks. This doesnt include Ocing we do outselves :3

I get 30% as I believe that the 9800M GTX is 20% faster than the 9800M GTS and the extra 10% from the higher clocks resulting from the die shrink.

 

The 280M will be more than negligible over the 4850, seeing as how the 4850 can't even outpace the 9800M GTX in every game, and the 280M is obviously > the GTX.

 

you do realize that with that with 2200 you can get the 18.5" asus with twin 4870s that will flat out stomp the 280m (not to mention better specs for every single component)

how much faster is the 280 than a 9800gts? its essentially the same card just rebranded/reclocked more/less? lets say 20% difference?

and the 5793 with almost the same specs and the 9800gts is 1300 bucks

so +$900 for +20% performence on the GPU? (or -600 for the MSI and +~10%? )

p-lease

 

So will the GTX 260 replace the 9800M GTS, or just be a more expensive option on the NP8660?

 

I have to agree with you on this, the price to performance ratio isn't justifiable IMO. I hope my notebook will be able to support the new 4800 series ATI cards coming out soon. If it can I might think about getting one. But then again the 8800M is still an amazing card.

 

So do you need a new motherboard to fit the new 280M GTX into the M570RU (NP5793)?

Since the NP5796 comes with 9800M GTX
And the NP5797 which is new comes with 280M GTX??

 

New motherboard is not needed, but a new bios is a must. Tried 98GTX already but not recognized.

 

the GTX 280M will be MXM 2.1, therefore will physically fit in an M570RU, however it will only work if the bios supports it.

 

4870 x2 isn't as fast as ATi would like you to believe.

 

The notebook starts at $1692. Other than RAM and OS, why argue the $2800 when he's obviously added so much extra?

Oh and,

20% over the 9800M GTS? You don't seem to know enough about these subjects mate, so please don't throw percentages around. Twice the shader plus higher clocks is a big gap in performance. Try at least 30%. That's definitely worth $300 over the 5793. This is an underclocked 9600 GT vs an underclocked 9800 GTX+.

On the dual card front, with these cheaper Nvidia cards, the M980NU is likely to come out within $200 of the W90p.

 

yea, the GTX 280m is above or equal to the Mobility HD 4870 GDDR3 which is an OC'd 4850. Additionally the ram is DDR3 (though it won't make much of a difference) and the CPU is slightly better than the GT725's.

However two things we must note:

#1: The Sager has slightly better build quality than the MSI GT725
#2: If he cut out some of the software and warranty from his config, the price would be $2100-$2300.

Additionally, though the Asus W90vp has better specs compared to the NP9757, the Asus W90vp is a good amount larger and heavier (which was the main reason I chose not to buy it).

 

so...the gtx280m looks like this card or not?

 

Yes, the gtx260/280M will be the same form factor as that, but don't expect it to work just because it fits.

 

the 9800gts is pulling circa 9500 in 3dmark06 and the 280 circa 11500, but it was only tested with a 3.1Ghz CPU. faster cpus are known to bump up the numbers aswell. (notebookcheck.com)

even with a faster cpu, the 280M is barely 20% faster than the 9800mGTS in the 5793

now, with the EXACT same configuration (all from xotic) for the 5793 and 5797 and GT725 (minus the gfx card), we have:

5793: $1589
5797: $2077
GT725 $1600

you're paying $500 for 2k 3dmarks more, or 20% more than the 9800. i'm still waiting for benchmarks with a a down to earth 2.4-2.66 Ghz CPU, which will def drop it in the ~15% difference and even less with the 4850 in the MSI

 

Whell, unless it needs a new mobo, than it will with the new BIOS

 

Yes, barely 20% in 3DMark06...and in games ? 2x more shaders can pump up the performance in games

 

It is highly unlikely that it will need a new mobo, but it WILL need a new bios. The GTX260M is likely to be supported, but don't get your hopes up about the 280

Edit:

Talking of new BIOSes, here is the new M860TU BIOS that supports the GTX260M (and NOT the 280M):

BIOS 1.02.14 or here

You will need to flash the newest KBC/EC firmware before this BIOS if you don't already have it:

KBC/EC 1.00.10 or here

The clevo servers can get extremely busy, so if it doesn't work first time, try again later.

I take no responsibility for you bricking your laptop with this information.

 

I had my mind pretty set on the Sager NP8660 and now this news... I am at wits end again... I would rather get this new GPU and maybe stay the purchase of a new laptop for another 6 months or whatever it might be.
Im just praying the NP8660 gets the GTX 260 before USPS pays XoticPC for my lost package...
I was pretty sure that I wanted the 15" with the weight and battery life and everything but still... I want a machine that will really last for as long as possible...
Any tips lads?? Cause there is no "official" word about the NP8660 getting the 260...

 

yea, im not that gullable
im just looking for verification that the gtx280m will have the same shape as the 9800m gtx. this part is a major start, considering the first gtx280m i seen had the notch in the center.

 

Ohhh, I love how you back up your claims with concrete evidence.

 

Did you not read my post above yours?

 

@ Plasma

http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-ATI-Mobility-Radeon-HD-4870-X2-Crossfire.14406.0.html

Hardly worth getting excited over, I've seen a stock M1730 pull better numbers... and lets not forget ATi does better in 3Dmark than nVidia.

 

a stock m1730 what? it aint beating no stock np9262's that's for sure.(since the m1730 is sli and the 5797 a single card) now maybe they might get back into the game with the new 9800mgtx's, but with only a dual core...they wont get that far back in.. and ati mobile aint getting better numbers. it's only when you start running AA that ati gets better numbers.(mobile cards only!)
and ati is the king of 3dmark06@1280x1024 but start running other resolutions and it paints a different picture.(still..drivers have a big part in this)

maybe after some better drivers..ati (mobile) might start moving away from nvidia, but right now. that's a big ten 4 negative. and all that high tech stuff really aint amounting to as much as everyone expected.

 

I read it and that is lovely and all, but is that an "official" promise then?
Just curious...

 

If it doesn't need a new mobo, than the np5797 (and hopefully 5796 too) WILL support GTX280M. You can already pre-order np5797 with this card at some retailers. (and it is cheaper than 9800M GTX)
ETA is end of march at the moment.

 

You need to take a step back and realize you're talking rubbish. You see, I have been involved with real benchmarks, with which I base my opinion.

Let's take Crysis benches: 1680x1050, all High, DX10, stock clocks

9800M GT beats the 9800M GTS by 10%-15%
9800M GTX and 4850 beat the 9800M GT in two seperate bench programs. 13 fps vs. 19-20 fps; 19 fps vs 32-34 fps.

So, what does your research say the 280M will do to the 9800M GTS?

 

true, I've learned not to care too much about synthetic benchmarks, just bencmarks of games I want to play. ATI generally would win the synthetic benches but Nvidia's drivers help in real gaming more.

 

at the moment...ati is wining ONE synthetic benchmark. lets not go jumping the gun.
and it is for sure winning the AA in just about all games except cod4/cod5
the rest of the games ran with out AA enabled, ati is losing.
crysis warhead is up for grabs crysis could be up for grabs
far cry 2 ati lost, but add AA and it will kill a 9800m gtx (4850) single card
dmc4 ati killed a 9800m gtx with AA enabled. turn it off and nvidia killed ati. (4850) single card
ati wins in a stock benchmark of vantagemark when ran at stock clocks
bump the 9800 up to the same clocks and that margin drops to a 200 point difference (single card)
dual over clocked 4870's scored a 10,523 in gpu and dual over clocked 9800m gtx's scored a 10,907. both with physx turned off. (cpu is of no importance here, but go pumping the fsb and cpu speed can surely up these scores)
again, everything is based on drivers and the owner running the test.

these are from the test we all ran here at nbr. and these are the facts as of today.

 

Bull I get 21-23 fps on my 9800M GT with stock clocks at those specs.
Unless I misread your post as it is extremely confusing.

 

i rest my case

i was only trying to help btw, im not the one blowing his money away on re-branded hype

 

That "stock" M1730 you probably saw...wasn't.

So, in a nutshell, when you max out your settings, the ATi cards are better than the nVidia cards, seeing that increasing AA is part of maxing out performance. I guess that's where the "high tech stuff" kicks in.

Also, there is no way a regular 9800M GTX SLi has a higher GPU score in Vantage over two MR 4870s in CF (or if you want to call it a 4870x2), let alone overclocked. Even a single GTX 280M has a lower GPU score than a single Mobility 4850 in Vantage.

 

<--- ummm that's up for grabs to, considering what drivers they used. don't be so quick to jump on something till everything has a better picture to see....

guess you need to go back and re read a little more closely as to what i said. and which cards at what speeds. and again these are from people here and not some where else around the net.

and since the highest score to date for vantage gpu is 10.5 so im not sure what your trying to get at. unless you have someone else's score..that's all the better. post it and ill change the 10.5 to what that score currently is. im not impartial. i just tell it like it is.

 

I wouldn't go so much as claim state of the art, but a significant improvement over its predecessor. But I have to ask, because it doesn't take a performance hit or because performace is increased when AA is enabled, it's not legit? lol, who wouldn't want a card that doesn't take a performance hit when you up the ante? heh, you must love those jaggies

Anyways, last time I checked, you increase settings to increase visuals and image quality (and in some cases gameplay), not to decrease performance. Performace decrease is usually an EFFECT of doing the former. If a card A generates higher fps then card B at 1920x1200, high settings and no AA, but card B generates higher fps than card A at 1920x1200, high settings at 4xAA, 8xAA and 16xAA, with the fps within a range that is deemed playable, then I'm going to have to say that card B performs better at higher settings than card A.

uh huh, you suggested a dual overclocked MR 4870 CF setup scored less than a regular 9800M GTX SLi setup in Vantage GPU, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If the 9800M GTX SLi were overclocked, maybe, but then again we haven't seen the GPU score of 4870 CF OC'd to 600mhz core 900mhz memory either.

srs? I mean, I would think that you would think that I knew that seeing that it's in quotations and yeah, I see people sometimes refer to 2 4870s in crossfire as 4870x2s. So yeah...

 

yeah yeah yeah...we have ati testers just like we have nvidia testers. and the stuff is posted.

uh huh, you suggested a dual overclocked MR 4870 CF setup scored less than a regular 9800M GTX SLi setup in Vantage GPU, when that couldn't be further from the truth. If the 9800M GTX SLi were overclocked, maybe, but then again we haven't seen the GPU score of 4870 CF OC'd to 600mhz core 900mhz memory either.<--- and for the last time.. N O! they we're both over clocked. do you read or just skim over and nit pick?

you better hit search and find that guy that ran his 4870 crossfire and got 10.5 on gpu, because right about now...your talking nonsense

and that aa stuff is high quality settings..i was agreeing with you in a sense, but your back to nit picking something. gtx fails! at AA end of story, quit trying to drag it to something else.

 

read below

no nit picking here.

read above (I mean, read the quote above this one again).

No need to get angry if we're trying to find the truth about things...

 

dude. no getting angry. it's pretty funny really
as i sit and watch you cut and paste...i see where it says over clocked 4870, but yu assume the 9800's are not. when all you had to do was look at my sig because it's right there and what does it say? it's over clocked. that's why i said nit picking. next time ask before jumping the gun thinking it's not over clocked when in fact it is over clocked

to find the truth, all you have to do is ask...not assume..

yeah right!!!!!!!!!!! i wish a 9800m gtx sli was getting getting that stock 10.9 on gpu!!!!!! .. but it's not.

better yet, i corrected it so it shows both are over clocked. sorry for the confusion.

 

Easy guys. We're all into the same stuff here, so let's love each other.

 

tis is true kevin jack...tis is true

side note...ill be glad when this driver issue gets settle on these ati cards. been over there trying to help get that figured out. i want to see what they really do all the way around... and it's getting close to buying time and i need to make a choice.
although i think ill wait till one of you guys get a 260 or a 280 and test it before i make my final call...

 

Bah i think you guys should keep at it . To think i would see the day of a bad Soap Opera about notebooks ,AA,AF and all they stand for ,that day has finally come and im in heaven .

 

yeah, it came alright and 9800m caught a beat down with AA..lmao!
although i got some numbers to post when i get home, but they still don't beat out a 4870 using AA. close, but not close enough in my book.
and that was me trying like 10 different drivers against some half as working drivers from ati...now if they really worked..the gap will widen.