NP8954 GTX 1070 MAX-Q --> GTX 1070 UNLOCK

System power limits? Do you mean the limit due to the power adapter or is it something else? I'm using a 200w brick.
Is HWinfo reliable for monitoring power consumption? Right after flashing the full 1070 bios and before undervolting I saw a peak power of 140w. Firestrike score was 15.6k then. After the undervolt it peaks at 105w.

Yes, it's the graphics score. Oh and I did no overclocking/undervolting when I got 13.9

 

Motherboards tend to have their own total limit too.

 

Looking at afterburner, the card keeps a consistent 1632 clock and 99% usage during graphics tests so I'm not sure if it's power throttling. Temps is a bit lower than compared to gaming ( <73 celsius versus around 80 while gaming ), but I guess that's because it's only running in short bursts in the benchmark?

 

Do you have game overlays? GeForce Experience + ShadowPlay enabled? Try the benchmark after closing all programs and disabling any GPU related stuff.

 

Tried it but no change. I'm noticing something weird though: The graphics test 1 seems to be capped at 69-70fps. I got an avg of 69fps in test 1 and 64 fps in test 2. They shouldn't be that close right? Looked through a few benchmarks online with 64-65fps average in test 2 and they all get around 75fps in test 1.

Edit: also rechecked and the gpu isn't fully utilized during the test.

 

Do you mean it never goes back to idle clocks?
I had this problem with another card, I dont remember how I fixed it. But I think it was because on the voltage curves, there was a spike in one of the dots, for example: [email protected] , [email protected], [email protected]
1200mhz having higher voltage than 1300mhz

 

What do you mean by "raise my clocks in a flat line from .750 volts onward at 1625" ?

To flash a 1070 (laptop) bios over a Max-Q version, do I need normal nvflash or with Board Id Mismatch Disabled?
If I dump my own vbios, and modify it with the tools to the same values from a normal (laptop) 1070, would it have the same effect as flashing the normal 1070 bios?

 

I meant during the tests, it does go down while loading. My graphics test 1 seems to be capped at a weird 69-70fps, and the gpu is not fully utilized during it.

Afaik the only way you can flash a modified bios on a pascal gpu is by using a hardware programmer. Flashing by software is not supported yet, so you will have to find a stock manufacturer bios.

 

Its probaly power throttle, also check this comment:

 

Unless its integrated into the system bios then I think that works round it if you unpack and repack with the new vbios.

 

Definitely something wrong with the firestrike bench, specifically in the first graphics test. Got around to reinstall 3dmark but firestrike graphics score is still in the 15k range. Timespy score is good however

 

Is the fps hitting any strange walls at points?

 

Yes the graphics test 1 never exceeds 70 fps. Seems only 3dmark has this problem, games I play are hitting 100+ just fine

 

Many systems have a total system power draw limit in the EC.
So if we just raise the GPU power limit without customizing the EC the combined load throttle limit will hit sooner than before.
As a result some systems throttle CPU others GPU or both.

TS is a pure GPU bench, while FS is a combined load test. Hence the reduced results with the higher power vBIOS.

Undervolt the CPU / GPU as much as possible or use a vBIOS with a lower power limit.

 

But the FS combined test is fine, in line with other laptops that has the i7-8750H and full GTX 1070. It's specifically only the graphics test 1 I'm having problems with, the graphics test 2 on the other hand has good results. Unless I'm wrong, don't the 2 graphics test in firestrike also only stress the GPU? And I have monitored the power consumption with HWinfo, the GPU rarely ever exceeds 90w which is the original bios' limit. FPS during the test is bumping 69-70 almost the whole time with no sudden drop. So I don't think power limit is the problem here, the benchmark is just somehow capped at 70fps.

 

I see you don't have a Clevo but an HP Omen...well certain firmware is also programmed to detect specific benchmarks and act accordingly...

You did disable g-sync, right?

 

FWIW, when I measured total system power draw at the wall using a Kill A Watt meter, Graphics Test 1 in 3DMark 11 and Fire Strike had the highest draw, even higher than the Combined Test.

 

3dmark vantage extreme is always a nice power test.

 

Anyone tried this with a 1070 Max Q in a Razer Blade 15?

EDIT: Getting certificate error even with modded nvflash.

 

There is a razor section on here or a razor forum may be a better place to ask.

 

Got no answers over there - still can't get this thing to flash to a different BIOS and recognise the card ... any ideas?

 

Keep the original vbios knowing razor design....

 

Sorry for the late response, you must make a flat line from 1625 all the way across the voltage curve to .75 volts, then leave the curve stock down from there to whatever minimum voltage is.

Just an update, laptop is still kicking although newer games are definitely starting to get to it lol. That, and it keeps eating wireless cards and keyboards. On it's 2nd keyboard and 2nd wireless card, about to need third each as I have lost both alt keys on the keyboard again and the wireless card keeps randomly crashing here and there. Borderlands 3 is a challenge to play a bit.

 

Make sure you are using the same size vbios as the original. There are two different sizes.

 

I did this to my aero 15x. So far so good and its nice to see yours is still alive

 

What wireless cards have you used? Have you investigated the router?

 

The command "nvflash64.exe -6 biosname.rom" is what bypassed the cert for me

 

Hi and share how you was able to flash it in aero 15 I have same specs aero 15xv8 4k, but when I try to use it I get error no video display adapter found?
Thanks in advance

 

I do not recommend the 125w bios. It performs nicley and got me #18 in firestrike compared to same hardware without overclocking but after less than 2 hours of sporadic testing one inductor is visably bubbled. This can be limited with msi afterburner voltage curve editor but if for some reason it dosent set your curve and you dont notice it will eat the vrm's. 100w is about all I would trust them to handle reliably. I flashed back to stock and am waiting to get bored enough to flash a custom bios with my eeprom programer.

If you would like to try it out tho here is an instructable. But I am not responsible for any damages and so on lol

Follow exactly and it should work if not sorry I couldent help

1. Download the Nvflash and desired bios from OP
2. extract both and put in The main Directory of your OS. C:\ in my case
3.rename nvflash executable to nvflash.exe rename bios file to bios.rom
4. Push Windows key and Type "cmd" Right Click cmd and run as admin
5. In command prompt type "cd.." then press enter type "cd.." and press enter again now type "nvflash.exe -6 bios.rom" or copy paste minus the parenthesis and push enter it will ask if you are sure push Y it will ask you to confirm by typing YES do so and it will flash. Restart pc

 

Thanks alot for your fast response i actually figured out it also that must rename the patched nvflash to nvflash64 and i get it to work also.
i have flashed 115 W version that has 166kB, bcz the 125W has 164kB.

i am quite noobie about curve in MSI i will test it little bit and will see ,i get GPU over #17 in firestike now .
Will test it soon in Witcher.

thanks again your answer are very clear now , i also use unlocked F0A Bios.
Best regards

 

It's the VRM you have to watch to be sure. Might be a candidate for the Fuji poly extreme pads and fitment adjustment. But thermal runaway is very hard to compensate for on VRMs as the power goes very exponential.

 

Hi is there a way to flash Desktop version of 1070 for my mobile 1070?(Not for TDP rise because of cant even custom curve on msi afterburner but i can oc with dragon center). Or even can i go for 1080 mobile?

 

No, the bios files are very different.

 

Any news on GPU life/performance? I have an MSI GS65 Stealth Thin 8RF, just repasted with Kyronaut and replaced the thermal pads with Minus 8 pads. I have successfully flashed the 90W vbios even before the repaste procedure, but now I would like to push the performance a little bit more. Is it safe to flash the 125W and undervolt?

 

The undervolt won't help if you raise the power limit, it will clock up and use the power budget.

 

I see. Well, the issue I want to resolve is the fact that my 1070 MQ constantly downclocks itself due to hitting the 90W power limit. Currently I run the GPU at a +200/+750 OC and there is no problem, apart from the fact that with +200 on the core the maximum clock should be 1721MHz but the GPU only maintains that if the utilisation is low (80-70% or below). If the GPU utilisation is 99-100% then my clock starts at around 1630ish and fluctuates anywhere between 1450-1590 after that, depending on the longevity of the test, therefore the temperatures.

 

It will clock higher if you lower the voltage until you reach the stability point.

 

Update: I was able to flash the 125W vBios. If someone reads this and refuses to check out earlier comments on the subject, here are my findings:

The 90W vBios is safe to flash without any consequences but the HDMI port won’t work and therefore you won’t be able to use external monitors/TVs.

If you have a thin laptop with a 1070 max-q edition, don’t flash unless you know what you’re doing. The card will use 125W constantly if you don’t restrict it in MSI Afterburner. It’s awesome to see the core clock speed at 1721 and above, but that will kill the laptop for sure.

The maximum performance I was able to achieve with restricting the card, is 1645MHz core and 4752MHz (9504MHz) memory at 0.800V. This results in an average power consumption of around 94-95W with max peaks of around 105W. This is the very maximum I am comfortable with and gives a huge boost to performance.

I will do proper tests, but yesterday I tried Superposition 1080p Extreme and my previous tweaks were able to achieve a score of 3200, whereas now my score is just shy of 3600.

Edit: For reference, I measured the 80W stock vbios’s power consumption and the maximum peak was 92W (very rare but still happened once in a while) with +200/+750 OC, with an average of 78-79W roughly.

 

I also have to add, that I have no idea how OP was able to UV down to 0.750V and OC to 1625MHz. Even with stock memory frequency, I’m crashing at 1544MHz @ 0.750V. 1625MHz is also a nonexistent frequency on the core as the core changes in 12-13MHz intervals, so it’s either 1632MHz or 1620Mhz, there is no such frequency as 1625MHz. 1550 is another frequency that doesn’t exist, it’s either 1544 or 1557. Maybe it’s just the silicon lottery, but I’m not stable at low voltages at all, but I doubt that mine is a lower binned 1070 max-q, as I am able to do a maximum of +209 on the core on any voltage point with an additional +750 on the memory. But 1620MHz at 0.750V would be +311 OC on the core which seems crazy to me.

 

Chips can do differently at higher voltages and lower voltages. They don't all have the same shape curve. Though you are right about clock steps.

 

I'm also running at UV of 0.750V, max clock for core is 1620 MHz. Been stable for over a year now. This is my curve:

 

That looks 0.762V to me, not 0.750V. Apart from that, nice OC/UV well done! What I’ve realised based on your comment is that I should leave the general OC approach behind, as I was OCing every single voltage point to the max, and it seems like if I just raise one specific voltage point and leave everything else untouched below that (higher voltage points go flat above that) then I can achieve a faster clock speed. So far my approach was to raise every voltage point’s clock speed to the max and set the max desired voltage point and go flat from there.

Edit: So that approach gives me worse performance than before. Even if I set a fixed voltage/clock speed, the lower points are still influencing the scores. It seems like I am only able to do 1620MHz at 0.775V for now, which gives me 5749 in Time Spy Graphics Score. The weird stuff is that this combo crashes in Superposition and from what I've heard Unigine is less prone to crashing than 3DMark. I'll go back to testing and see what is what.

 

Last update:

It seems that flashing a different vBios than the Alienware one stabilised some voltage points in addition to doing the PEG 0 disable tweak in the BIOS. I’m running an actual MSI vBios now. Now I’m stable at 0.775V @ 1620MHz and drawing a maximum of 104-105W (peaks were 140ish before, without the undervolt). Memory is at 4752MHz (9504MHz).

I have set up a safer profile with 0.750V @ 1557MHz that seems to run a bit cooler and consumes even less power. Seems good to me, with the stock BIOS I’ve had max peaks at 91-92W with the OC so this is a 10-15W upgrade only which should be safe. Clocks are stable and the performance is good.

 

Sorry you're right, I remember when I first did the curve I had given myself a mental limit of 0.750V but I guess I got greedy in the end. However it's been stable on every stress test I've tried as well as 8+ hour gaming sessions, so it might just be down to the individual silicon. This configuration gets me around 5745 on Time Spy graphics.

 

When voltage tweaking each chip difference will have an impact, especially that low.