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    NP9262 low benchmarks, need help.

    Discussion in 'Sager and Clevo' started by Relowe, Jun 11, 2008.

  1. Relowe

    Relowe Notebook Consultant

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    Hey everyone. So far everything seems to be in working order but I'm not a computer settings expert like many of you are.

    Off a fresh vista install, I had about 9967 on 3DMark06.

    After switching to 175.70 drivers like Chaz suggested in another thread, I dropped down to 9609.

    I'm using Windows Vista x64.

    PC specs are in sig.

    I was told that I should be getting around 15000 3d marks or so.

    If anyone has any comments or suggestions I'm more than willing to try anything out at this point.
     
  2. dazzyd

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    nah for our rigs mate we will not get even close to 15000 3dmarks due to the fact that there is a bus latency problem. unless you overclock the cpu via the pin mod. that has only been done on the q6600 quad chip.

    but with your rig, you should be getting at least 13000 3dmarks. without a gfx overclock. 14000 Plus with a gfx overclock.

    those scores looks like your sli config is not enabled. download gpu-z and see what your clocks are running at.
     
  3. Relowe

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    [​IMG]

    EDIT:
    Other is exactly the same.
     
  4. dazzyd

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    hmm ok that looks good. its reporting the stock clocks. have you installed sp1.??

    and also all the dx9 updates.?
     
  5. Relowe

    Relowe Notebook Consultant

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    Yes, I have Windows Vista Ultimate x64 SP1.

    I use DX10 though.
     
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    What is the score's details... no just the total score itself?
    - SM2.0
    - SM3.0/HDR
    - CPU Score
     
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    I'll update to that right now and run the 3DMark06 again and get right back to you Gophn. Thanks.
     
  9. dazzyd

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    yeh 3dmark 06 makes use of your dx9 api not your dx10 api.

    only 3d mark vantage will make use of the dx10 api.

    i suggest you go to the microsoft website and download the latest dx9 updates
     
  10. Relowe

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    [​IMG]

    Ok dazzyd, I'll go do that now and rerun it.
     
  11. Gophn

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    Um.... is your Power Settings/Options set to max performance.

    Also check your PowerMizer settings (in Nvidia Control Panel)
     
  12. ARGH

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    it appears you have not enabled sli with that score.
     
  13. dazzyd

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    before you run 3dmark again.. close off all unnecessary program such as sidebar, any antivirus programs and windows defender. disable UAC too.
     
  14. Relowe

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    High Performance is selected, and I could not find PowerMizer. I saw you telling someon else to disable it so I tried looking for it. :)
     
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    PowerMizer should be in the Nvidia Control Panel.

    something like this:
    [​IMG]
     
  16. Relowe

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    ARGH, I think it should still be sligtly higher even if it were only running one GPU. My setup in comparison to the one sent to Chaz as a review unit is superior and yet I'm getting lower scores. So I figure that it means that my settings and such are incorrect.
     
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    I really think your Nvidia drivers is not putting your GPU to full speed... seems that the Powermizer is defaulting it at single card and balance mode.... which would reflect the benchmarks you are getting.
     
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    [​IMG]
    :cry:
     
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    the sager nvidia drivers for the d900c do not have power mizer options.
     
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    go under set sli configuration and enable sli. then turn on the visual indicators for sli and run 3dmark then.

    tell us what your sli score is, not single card.
     
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    yes on one GPU it should be around 9700..
     
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    only use sager's drivers, not modified. i do not see the point of buggy modified drivers.
     
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    With DX9.
    [​IMG]
     
  26. Relowe

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    SLI was enabled throughout all of these tests (or so it says). And so were the SLI Visual Indicators.
     
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    was the sli bar working (green bars) when running 3d mark?
     
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    Yes it was. It was not during the first couple of tests that I did yesterday though. ALthough the end score seems to be worse since then :-/
     
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    if so, the only other thing i can mention is to re-install the nvidia drivers and only enable sli, then restart the computer. do no attempt to enter the manage 3d settings or profiles as changing those around (even global attributes) can result in sli nor working right, even though the sli bar is showing it to be.

    as a last resort, open up the service bay and check to make sure the sli cable is there for the gpu's.
     
  30. Relowe

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    Ok, I'll try going to the 175.75 drivers and resetting everything to default then I'll run another. If not I'll check the cables inside.
     
  31. ARGH

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    the only driver's that sager has on their website are teh 174.90 so you should only use those. do not use modified drivers. there is no point in doing so. i tried modified drivers, they are all buggy. some did not even enable sli (the 175.70 drivers) and others reacted the same as sager's but with their bugs.
     
  32. dazzyd

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    hmm indeed those scores seem to be very low. do what argh suggest and reinstall the drivers. also note that to use drivesweeper in safe mode to clear up any pointers to the driver in registry.
     
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    hmm argh im using the 175.75 drivers with no problems at all.

    i did my benchmark using that driver.
     
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    and speaking on drivers, i obtained leaked drivers from clevo, 175.95 and they are the best so far as they appear to have resolved the resume from standby issue under sli mode. basically, with the 174.90 drivers, if you resumed form standby under battery power in windows xp, the computer would crash into either a garbled screen, bsod, or messege indicating you lost resolution and defaulted to vga mode. you are forced to reboot the computer.

    resuming from stanby when system in splugged in had no issues or if sli was disabled there are no issues with 174.90.
     
  35. Relowe

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    Yea it's fine. If this does not work I'll restore the drivers back to 174.90 and open up the comp and check if everything is connected.
     
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    why would you use modified drivers over sagers?
     
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    sager's driver cd is tricky when it comes to nvidia drivers. there should be a small piece of paper directing you to which drivers you should use depending on what OS you have. the cd has drivers for various OS's.
     
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    because my 3d mark score increase by about 300 points. :D
     
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    that is not worth the hassle of buggy drivers and the increased chances of profile corruption when changing settings, IMO.

    besides this, those 300 points i bet do not result in real world performance.

    modified drivers give you powermizer options when sager's drivers do not. these systems have hardware-based downclocking features (like the first generation d900t and d900k models) so i am guessing that is why clevo does not allow powermizer to be available.
     
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    Mine did come with one. (XoticPC) :p

    Anyways, the test with 175.75 came out as follows:

    3DMarks: 8827
    SM2.0: 3615
    HDR/SM3.0: 3279
    CPU: 4098

    I'm going to try opening it up and checking the connections. Be back soon.
     
  41. dazzyd

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    well each to their own i guess. been playing crysis with these drivers and so far all is good. i dont change my profile at all. temps are good on my system as i have a zalman cooler too.
     
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    Ok, the bay is open and I'm now back on my older PC. It looks like there is NO connection between the two cards. The only wires I see going out of each is what looks like the fan power. I will post a pic in a little while as soon as my brother comes home with my digital camera (maybe 30mins-an hour). If anyone has a pic of what it should look similar to I would be able to give a more definitive answer.

    Thanks for the help so far guys. I think we might have found the culprit. :)
     
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    the ribbon is a little dificult to spot as it runs underneath the cards. look in between the cards.
     
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    Is it black? There was something running between the cards but it looked solid/plastic and not like a typical connection.
     
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    i forgot the color of it but it's a plastic ribbon and very very thin. the edges of it may be black. i posted a pic of it in the forums but cannot remember which thread it was.
     
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    here we go, i found the pic. it is not a black ribbon. more like an orangy color. i took out the heatsink on one of the gpu's to spot it but i think it should still be visible if you look there.

    edit; nvm about the question mark asking if it's the ribbon (as it is) becaue it's an older pic before i knew where the ribbon was.
     

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    Well, regardless. I think I should be getting a little higher of a score even with a single card. Or am I wrong?
     
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    I'm almost positive that it did NOT have that. I was thinking it was that black plastic thing near the APR 08.

    I'll reopen it now and just use the other PC until we figure this out for sure.

    Assuming that it is not there, how would I go about obtaining a cable for it?
     
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    yes i think your score should be higher. you really should try sager's drivers as trying to troubleshoot modified buggy drivers is kind of a crap-shoot. if you have the ribbon, and you used sager's drivers, and still have these low scores i am affraid you will need to send in the unit to sager so they can run the 3dmark and see for themselves on what it might be wrong. maybe the sli cable is not properly connected? if you are skilled enough you can check this for yourself.

    as i said before, try sager's drivers and ensure sli is enabled (you will require a reboot to enable it) and do not change any of the profile settings or global settings. then run 3dmark and let us know.
     
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