NP9870-S (P870DM-G) - Nvidia GTX 980 - Overheating

I do not mean that they are fake (maybe my translation was a little dramatic ). You must test different paste itself or talk with others who have the same hardware... Not rely on test sites. You can't use rewievs of thermal paste done on desktop hardware/test bench for decide what work best for your laptop hardware.

 

Pretty sure it's not "nonsense", it's just how different pastes are in different test types. The tests aren't "nonsense", they are just for different use cases.

With that said, I suppose your last point is a fair one.

However, in the past people said that NT-H1 is better than MX-4, especially when used directly on the die - like in the case of a laptop. However, in my personal testing, the results of NT-H1 were 1-3C worse than MX-4, I repasted both multiple times to test and the results stayed consistent.

 

Yeah. Noctua Nt-H1 is really junk. I have tested the paste with fiasco. Useful for desktop hardware but not for laptops. AS5 as you can see in the image you posted have high ranking in that review, but that paste is really old and shouldn't be on top. I have tested that one also with bad results. If people only look in reviews and say this is the best (thermal paste) for everyone, you can see where I go.

 

I kept seeing the recommended paste for laptop GPU on these forums is MX-4 or PK-1. I have IC Diamond 7 that came with the laptop (upgrade from XoticPC) and there's still plenty left. I really don't care what the cost of paste is. It's inexpensive regardless of brand. Simply using MX-4 based off recommendations I've read here. Figure if it doesn't work out well I'll replace it with the ICD7.

 

I've ALWAYS liked MX-4. To me, I can do quite a bit of overclocking with it (5960x @ 4.3 GHz, temps stay under 80c in prime95), and I use it on literally everything. I use it on my laptop CPUs and GPUs, desktop CPUs and GPUs, etc. I haven't had longevity issues, and it's pretty cheap too and easy enough to apply as well. I like it because it's good, simple, cheap paste.

I don't think thermal paste really matters all that much. If people are THAT concerned with temperatures, they could always make sure their heatsink is perfectly flat and if not lap it, install some custom copper cooling, install some thermal pads, etc.

 

It can in the right circumstances, though if you get something reasonable you should be good.

 

New GPU showed up. The only difference between this one and the previous is the previous BIOS in NvidiaInspector said MODIFIED. This one does not say it was modified. Maybe the BIOS was messed up on the previous one? At any rate RMA was the solution. Played a couple of hours maxed out it The Division with no problems.

Downside is no information was included to send the broken GPU back, lol. Awaiting reply from support via email regarding this, but glad everything is working fine now.

 

Modified would usually point to a prema modified vbios, I suppose it could be corrupt..

 

Likewise.

If you haven't already, the modified BIOS you saw is worth mentioning to support.

 

@Krileon... I know you were aggravated at first, but after the lines of communication were established, it looks like Xotic or Sager took care of it. Is that a fair assessment?

 

Yes, but the issue is it took an entire month to get those lines of communication established. With that said XoticPC stepped up in the end. Specifically Pat and Tanner really got things pushed through to Sager as quickly as possible for me. Tanner was always incredibly quick to reply to my emails as well.

In short read through this topic and my one on XoticPCs forums to decide how you feel you should move forward if you should choose to purchase from XoticPC. At this time I still see my self doing business with XoticPC for the foreseeable future.

 

Thanks for the feedback! I think it will help others out down the road.

 

no overheating issues whatsoever with stock bios

 

Did you get the info from Tanner to send it back? Sorry had to go through so much on it, glad they got it fixed up for you!

 

Yup, in fact Sager sent me a return slip to print out and ship it back.

 

Well, i think im in a similar situation..
Was playing Dark souls 3 for about 2 hours and then a black screen with audio in the background. Force shutdown the system, and have had a blank display since then.
Tried each RAM stick individually, and cleared CMOS, but the display has been blank.
When i turn the system on, both power and battery LED's are green, the HDD's are spinning up and doing their thing.
As a last resort and to make sure it was not a dead LcD i put in a GTX 980M from my friends Sager NP9870 (Gsync) , and the system booted perfectly fine.
I have not seen a GPU die like this before. Day before yesterday, when playing Division, the temps were around low 80's after 3 hours of playing. Which is pretty good for the game maxed out on a 4k display.
One thing to note is that i was running Prema vBIOS, but without any OC on the GPU.
I have had black screens before, but they would always recover after i restarted the system.

Glad sager could cross ship you a working GPU, lets if HIDevolution will be willing to send me just a GPU instead of asking me to send the whole system over.

 

Dang. Which driver version did you use and clockspeed on gpu?

 

I was on 362.00.
I keep my clockspeeds at stock when playing on the 4k Panel.
This had happened a bunch of times earlier, but every single time a fore restart would get thins back to to normal. Originally on the stock FHD LCD i figured it was the +150 Mhz overclock was causing this, but it happened a few times without the OC as well. But not that often, here and there every few days so i didn't bother since i dont play demanding games too much, just DOTA and CSGO.
But this time it just went blank for good. I really dont want to send my whole system over, since it gonna be expensive and the system is slightly over a month. Instead for the same price i can just overnight the GPU over to get things done faster.

 

This means that your GPU most likely have been sick all the time? Also the first time you used your machine in gaming?

 

Probably as you say. Because some of those black screens would be while working in 3D apps like 3DS MAX and Maya. With about 30-40% load on the GPU. I downgraded to 362.00 a while back thinking it was a driver issue.
It was working fine for most part of it. But i would get a black screen, like once or twice a week. But i figured it was because of my tinkering around with the clocks. I didn't even push it hard enough to kill it to be honest.
I didnt play heavy games too much, last time i played division that was for like 30-40 mins, otherwise mostly it was DOTA2 or CSGO, which barely push the card compared to Division or DS3.

 

**** happens i guess. Im running a borrowed 980M right now and Ted @ HIDEvolution is willing to check if they can just get me a replacement card.

 

http://forum.notebookreview.com/threads/clevo-overclockers-lounge.788975/page-168#post-10241905 Can you do this with BGA junk?

 

Ya but also seeing some reporting of overheating, failures, screen quality issues.
I guess im spoiled by my desktops that always work as they should.

 

Switch to a better thermal grease - do the job properly and tweak your system, then you're soon up ahead. All hardware can fail from any brand, but you can fix everything else.
You can replace hardware on the motherboard itself, after the warranty has expired without having to purchase a new expensive motherboard with all hardware soldered

 

THIS
I stayed up all night, and re-padded the GPU maintaining a constant height so that the GPU core makes even contact with the heatsink, and my load temps have dropped by about 8-10C.
This might not be needed for everyone, just in cases where the heatsink is slightly bent or warped by a few mm.
In the long run it will help your MOSFET's stay cooler and give you better overclocks.

 

That's still a pretty decent drop in temperatures, and hopefully pays off in the long run.

 

@bloodhawk, So @tazmeister is definitely on to something?


[ see http://forum.notebookreview.com/thr...enix-has-arisen.781814/page-552#post-10235130 ]

 

Yeap for sure. It was actually his thread that prompted me to check the padding and obvioudly Prema pointing out that the MOSFETs might be running hot.

 

With a full power drain of the system then yes.

 

What thermal paste were you using before? Last July I swapped my thermal paste out for some IC Diamond and upgraded to Windows 10. My CPU temps were through the roof and I thought it was Windows 10 Issue, I couldn't even play games with the fans maxed. I re-pasted twice in a 4 month period and decided to try some new TG-7 paste. I saw a 26C load temp drop. I contacted IC Diamond and they informed me that they recently shipped out a bad batch that was actually insulating chips rather than transferring heat. Crazy, they gave me a refund though and sent me a new tube.

 

I only stick to Kryonaut or GCE. ICD is pretty good as well.

And CLU

 

Kryonaut is ridiculously expensive.. ICD or GC Extreme are my choices personally..

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True, but i had a friend get me like 90 Grams of is from zermany, was super cheap.

 

How did you get 90gs of it? Is it from some EU shop? Mind sharing the info?

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He got it locally from a store, ill have to ask which one. But they were OEM 30g tubes.

 

Wow how much was each tube? I would just need 1..

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Yes shops don't want to be ordering hundreds of tubes lol.

 

If i remember correctly around $20. He never gave an exact figure, since he got a lot of stuff for me ordered from CEG and maxfps.
I even saw some one ebay selling tubes like these in 15 g quantities. He basically takes out half of it. Cant find it anymore for some reason, it was up for about $25 shipped.

 

Thermal paste... thermal paste everywhere. Maybe a computer shop would want to have some on hand for repairs or sales, but moderation is a good idea.

90g should last you a long time, and not too bad of a price either.

 

Hmm. Picked up stuff in the Midwest (US) for about $11 /oz per gram thru Amazon, Ebay or NewEgg (cannot remember which). Shipping was free, as it came with a large order of CPU, GPU, etc. for a desktop.

 

Holy **** nice! I couldn't find Kryonaut for a good price anywhere in the US.
Most of the website have the 1g tubes for $7-$12. And the 11.1g for about $25-$30 , Depending on where you buy them from.

 

Doh!! Typo.. $11 per gram!! Sorry. It was early when I posted that. That didn't seem too bad to me, but doesn't beat the $20 / 30 grams you picked it up for - assuming I understand your earlier post.

I never considered the price per volume. Now that I look at it, Kryonaut is rather expensive! ICD is currently about $4.25 per gram. I asked about TIM in another thread a while back, and just seemed to get a lot of responses to use Kryonaut. Since I bought 2 tubes, I didn't really look at the volume of each tube.

 

This is the only place which was the cheapest, compared to other US sellers : https://www.memoryc.com/search.html?q=thermal+grizzly+kryonaut&Submit=Submit