Need Help w/ Parents 2090V

Well... my parents are against me buying this... here's their arguments
-It's from the U.S.
-I've never heard of it
-Nobody I know has ever heard of it
-It's a minor company
-It'll probably disappear after a few months and you'll lose your warranty money (I'll be getting 3 year)

Could anyone help me out with this?

 

Who are you buying from? I ordered from powernotebooks.com for the reasons listed in this thread.

I got a call from Ron at Powernotebooks today to confirm the system specs I wanted, helped me decide on two or one stick of memory (for 2GB), and answered any questions I had. Overall very impressive customer service thusfar.

 

Lets talk about never hearing about it.

ODMs(original design manufacturer) like Compal, Clevo, Qunata, Asus, MSI,(your parents probably havent heard about any of these companies) ACTUALLY build/design the chassis(guts/bare bone) of the "laptops" and then OEMs(original equipment manufacturer) like Dell/HP/Sager/other big boys purchases these "laptops/barebones" and add the components(ram/CPU/hdd etc) and re-brand under their name.


More info on the relationship between ODMs and OEMS

Just dont buy directly from Sager(sagernotebooks.com) and you should be okay. Powernotebooks.com and XoticPC.com are reputable resellers of Sager and are active members of the forum and they offer better tech/customer service.

And if they disappear do the American thing and sue someone.

Also if you can buy the Compal IFL90(same thing as the Sager NP2090) which is called called Powerpro on PNB and Force on XoticPC. It offer a much better warranty just its more expensive.

 

ok number 1 I am just going to ignore because just because it's from the US it doesn't mean thatit's bad.

2.A lot of people haven't heard of it because they don't advertise such as big-brand companies like Dell,HP,etc. and they don't have the deep pockets to do so.

3.Well refer to number 2.

4.Get your facts straight, Compal/Sager is the 2nd biggest laptop company in the world and has built laptops for all the major brands in the world.(got that from the Sager/Compal NP2090/IFL90 faq.

5.it's been out for 22 years, I doubt it's going to dissapear.

It would help if you read the faq.

http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=138143

 

Here's some additional arguments that can help sway your parents, if they're reasonable enough:

Check out this article first for a quick background.

Long story short, the "big name brand" companies don't actually make their own laptops, they've since contracted companies out of country to make it for them for cheaper. Companies like Quanta, Clevo, and Compal are companies known as "Original Design Manufacturers", essentially, they make the barebones laptops and deliver them to the big brand name companies like Dell, Alienware, or HP. They then rebrand it themselves and add accessories, and a new "laptop model" is born.


Here's an nice link telling what laptops are rebrands of.

From Wikipedia:
* Compal sells to Toshiba, HP/Compaq, Acer, and Dell
* Quanta sells to HP/Compaq, Dell, Toshiba, Sony, Fujitsu, Acer, NEC, and IBM
* Winstron sells to HP/Compaq, Dell, IBM, NEC, and Acer
* Arima sells to HP/Compaq, NEC, and Dell
* Uniwill/ECS sells to IBM, Fujitsu, and Dell
* Asus sells to Apple (iBook), Sony, and Samsung
* Inventec sells to HP/Compaq, Toshiba, and BenQ

The Sager NP2090 is a rebrand of the Compal IFL-90, Compal is the second most prolific laptop manufacturer in the world, so if there was any concession about their quality or reliability, consider this: companies like Compal don't become 2nd most prolific by making faulty laptops.

Good luck convincing them! I didn't have this sort of grief, my parents trust what I chose to buy. I hope yours do the same, too.

 

And point out powernotebooks and xoticpc's reseller ratings as well

 

Yes, and while you are at www.ResellerRatings.com ...have your parents look up all those companies they have heard of and show them what their customers say about doing business with them.

Now there is a winning argument!

 

Luckily I didn't have this sort of problem, because my dad knew what Compal and Sager were, even before I did. Lol.

Just follow the advice that the above posters have given you and your parents should understand.

 

Compal is so not from the US -.-

 

What's wrong with U.S. products? This seems weird because I would imagine your parents would have more of an issue if it's from somewhere else. And what does it matter where it's being produced? I mean do your parents really want everything made from China or something? I thought "Made in U.S.A." was a good thing.

Of course, this is all assuming that you reside in the U.S.

 

That is funny...made in the US...almost ALL laptop barebones are made in China, with one lousy exception that is made in Korea.

 

Yep, that first issue VJain lists made me wonder where he is from...

... besides the fact that the laptop is actually made in China.

Edit: searching his other message... it looks like he's from Canada. The only thing I can think of that may be an issue is that the warranties I've seen on the Sager are domestic. This means that if you buy US, your warranty is US-based. This means that if shipping is needed for service then shipping back and forth from Canada is not covered. Because of this, it would be better to buy from a Canadian reseller but then again that does not eliminate the machine per se. It just means find a Canadian reseller and buy there.

 

I see what I forgot to mention. I'm from Canada -_-. We'd have to pay duties and more in shipping. We'd have to pay for shipping since Xotic/Powernotebook aren't willing to pay international shipping both ways.

There are no canadian resellers that I found for the Sager 2090V, thats the thing. Eurocom is a Canadian reseller for Compal, but their deals are way more expensive.

Thx for the info, I'll try to use the arguements against my parents, hopefully they don't say "Well, I don't believe..." or "No"

EDIT: Apparently since it's a made-in china product, I'll have 31% taxes... can't afford that. I don't want to illegally smuggle it into Canada. T_T

 

I thought Milestone pc and bizcom were listed as Canadian retailers, maybe once the machines are released they will become available?

 

31%!!! Holy Moses! That's INSANE! EVERYTHING is made in China! Wow... Canada... I have lost respect for you for your extortionate ways...

 

It sounds like a good idea to me, it keeps money within their own economy, and keeps Canada more self-sufficient. But yeah, in this case it isn't necessarily a good thing.

 

Its good to have relatives in the USA like a 2 hour drive from you

PS 100 post

 

MilestonePC is a reseller, but Bizcom in Canada is the Compal distributor...they do not sell to the public, they sell to MilestonePC.

Congratulations on your 100th Harry.

 

Thats funny, this is my 100th too

 

me 3 ...hah ha ha

 

Imagine tho with all the MADE in CHINA scare... pretty soon we will see China Free labels here in the US.. at least thats the tone the media is throwing around.. mainly our food tho.. but lots of labels have Made in China and then extra tagging "This product MAY contain lead, known in the state of cali to cause cancer." it's on a few GE products here where I work.. Like usb mouse/cables.

 

Well, your parents concerns about importing a computer are certainly valid; there are added hassles and fees that may come up, some of which can be rather substantial if unexpected. Personally, I don't expect you'll find anyone carrying the Sager NP2090 in Canada, but there are some places that might carry the Compal IFL90 under various different names once it becomes more available. Some places to check out include MilestonePC and NCIX. NCIX lists the barebone in their system (do a search for "Compal") and you can also get them to build the laptop for you. (They did this with the H/EL80 as well.)

As for duties...

http://www.cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/general/publications/tariff2007/t2007-3/ch84ne.pdf

I'd say expect the worst but hope for the best. If I'm not mistaken, laptops should be covered under heading 84.71 (pgs 84-116~84-118):

84.71 Automatic data processing machines and units thereof; magnetic or optical readers, machines for transcribing data onto data media in coded form and machines for processing such data, not elsewhere specified or included.
8471.30.00 00 -Portable automatic data processing machines, weighing not more than 10 kg, consisting of at least a central processing unit, a keyboard and a display
Unit of Measure: NMB
MFN* Tariff: Free
Applicable Preferential Tariffs: CCCT, LDCT, GPT, UST, MT, MUST, CIAT, CT, CRT: Free

*MFN--Most favoured nation

It's only three pages, I suggest you read the heading over with your parents and see what they think. If they're paying for the system, ultimately the decision will be theirs. If you're buying, you can still try to do as much homework as you can to alleviate their concerns and try to convince them.

Some things to be aware of is that you'll still have to pay GST and PST, or the combined HST, depending on where you live. You'll also have to pay brokerage fees.

(I swear, I sound like a broken record with this link...)

You can find UPS's brokerage rate schedule here. Again, read it over carefully with your parents; the cheapest method isn't necessarily cheapest overall. Always expect that there may be something unexpected that you haven't taken into consideration. This could be minor, it could be more. Since this is the Sager forum, you can bet that there are some folks around who've imported before, so it might be worth asking for their thoughts and experiences, too. I've never imported a computer before, so I don't really know. My homework only goes so far.

If, in the end, your parents aren't willing to risk importing, try looking for the Compal at domestic shops that build their own systems (especially laptops) for their customers. (This may need a bit more time as the unit's still very new.) Depending on what exactly you're looking for, it may also be possible to find an alternative system with a company they're more comfortable dealing with.

 

Seems much simpler to buy from a Canadian reseller.

 

but if i am not mistaken we dont get Sager up here...just Eurocom (which is just as good)...but we dont get the 2090V

Oh oh oh...you could always do what i do when i want to convince my parents....tie them to a chair and beat them into submission with a pointy stick....can you feel dah love eh

 

Simpler? Yeah, I'd say so. Cheaper? I'd expect it'd be that too. But until perhaps a week to a couple of days ago, I didn't see any real close equivalents to the IFL90 domestically. Now, however, the FL90 (possibly the low res screen) can be ordered from NCIX, and the Dell 1520 and the Dell Vostro line are also new possibilities depending on the OPs wants/needs. As for finding a reseller that builds the IFL90 and provides an extended warranty... that might take more time still.

 

Can't you just drive over and pick it up? Guess that depends on where you live. But just think of it as a vacation.

 

Assuming you want to remain legal, bringing back a new laptop from a leisure trip might not be in your best interest. Because for all the talk about free trade between the US and Canada, there are still restrictions as to what you can bring back from vacation without paying duties. I've never checked for a laptop but I assume the price would put it into the range of goods that require duty. I'd read the fine print of the law before engaging in such enterprise. The total cost may be more than if you have the manufacturer ship it over.