Need help dont know where to buy

Hello all
I want to get the SAGER NP9262, but unfortunately its not availabe in IRAN
i have seen that XOTICPC ships internationally but i have 3 quesitons :

1_You know in IRAN, it has many time happened to me that when i send something to someone (For example in UK) he doesnt receive it or when someone sends something to me from another country i SOMETIMES dont receive it, so what do u say? is it safe to order from XOTIC PC ? i have read the clevo FAQ and i have seen that its been an excellent reseller

2_This is the config i am considering:
SAGER NP9262 Ultimate Custom Laptop (Built on Clevo D900C / D901C)
- 17" WUXGA "Glare Type" Super Clear Ultra Bright Glossy Screen (1920x1200)
- Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
- Standard Dead Pixel Policy
- ~Intel Core 2 Duo E6850 3.0GHz w/ 4MB L2 Cache - 1333MHz FSB
- SLI ENABLED DUAL (2) 512MB PCI-Express nVidia GeForce 8800GTX (1024MB Total) w/GDDR3 DX10 Video Cards (User Upgradeable)- ETA March 24th
- None Standard
- ~ 4,096MB DDR2 800 (2 SODIMMS) Dual Channel Memory (Requires Vista 64-Bit to recognize Full 4GB)
- Standard Finish
- ~Combo 8x8x6x4x Dual Layer DVD +/-R/RW 5x DVD-RAM 24x CD-R/RW Drive w/Softwares
- ~ 200GB 7200RPM (Serial-ATA II 300 - 16MB Cache)
- Internal 7-in-1 Card Reader (MS/MS Pro/MS Duo/MS Pro Duo/SD/Mini-SD/MMC/RS)
- Internal Bluetooth 2.0+ EDR
- Built-in Intel® PRO/Wireless 4965 802.11 a/g/n
- None Standard
- Built in 2.0 Megapixel Camera
- None Standard
- Sound Blaster Compatible 3D Audio - Included
- Targus TSB312 Backpack (Fits up to 17")
- Smart Li-ion Battery (12 Cell)
- Full Range Auto Switching AC Adapter - Included

- 3 Year Labor* 1 Year Parts Warranty Lifetime 24/7 DOMESTIC Toll Free Tech Support
(Extra 2 Year Labor Warranty through Xotic PC)

It costs $3500, how much do u think it will cost when it ships to Iran ?

3_Which other resellers ship internationally except XOTIC PC ?

thanx all

 

Well about the shipping...really its not the reseller's fault if the post was lost...it should be the courier's fault, maybe you could ask them for a specific reliable courier, though that might be expensive.

 

I do not think you will be able to get it post it in Iran. US officials is presently trying to isolate Iran.

 

The best shipping company for international shipments made to outside the US seems to be UPS. XoticPC has UPS as an international option. Use it.

 

thanx alot but can u tell me a little more about UPS since i dont know exactly what it is

 

I believe that it is illegal to ship hi-tech equipment directly to Iran. Also, I believe it is illegal to be a party to helping get hi-tech equipment to Iran. Something about sending terrorists, explosives and EFP's into Iraq in an attempt to kill us soldiers and sailors over here.

Also there have been reports of computer attacks against DOD facilities that have originated from Iran.

So, I would suggest you first topple your government, quit stoning women in the street, install a western friendly government and then enjoy the fruits of a capitialist nation... i.e... the 9262.

 

1. This is not the political OT subforum
2. Just cus ur in a country does not mean that you whole heartedly vouch for its policies.

 

I take it you haven't had to remove the remains of soldiers from vehicles hit by IRANIAN made EFP's lately.

Anyways... I am done with this thread. I am a little too close to the fire to be objective or Politically Correct.

 

I'll freely acknowledge first off that I'm as guilty as anyone else of letting things get out of hand , so I know whereof I speak when I ask youse guys to calm down a little.

NavyDad6 is correct, and it has nothing to do with any individual Iranian's political views (there is therefore no ground for relegating his post to the political OT forum). Iran is listed as a country subject to comprehensive embargo and special export controls. See, e.g., 15 CFR chapter VII, subchapter C, Part 746.7 ("This embargo includes prohibitions on export and certain reexport transactions involving Iran, including transactions dealing with items subject to the EAR."). See also 31 CFR Part 560 (Iranian Transactions Regulations)(no technology may be shipped to Iran unless specifically licensed by OFAC - the Office of Foreign Assets Control).

Thus, the plain and simple fact of the matter is that, no matter how well-intentioned or politically simpatico Maziar may be (and I have no reason to believe that he is anything other than the same sort of wise sage that I am ), unless a U.S. reseller manages to get a license from OFAC and otherwise complies with all of the relevant Export Administration Regulations (parts of which make the Internal Revenue Code look lucid by comparison ), no U.S. reseller may ship a computer to Maziar, or even sell a computer to anyone else if that U.S. reseller has reason to believe that the buyer intends to transship the computer on to Maziar (my apologies Maziar, I'm not trying to pick on you).

If you're really, really bored (i.e., you've already tried all of the different combinatorial variations on sorting your sock drawer), then you could take a stab at reading through some of the materials on the Iranian transactions controls at this U.S. Treasury Dep't website.

I will, however, readily agree that the statement "I would suggest you first topple your government, quit stoning women in the street, install a western friendly government and then enjoy the fruits of a capitialist nation" was gratuitous and unfair because (a) even if we assume that Maziar is a closet-GOP member, he is not in any position to overthrow the current gov't of Iran or install any other type, western-friendly or not, and (b) none of us have any evidence that Maziar stones women, in the street or anywheres else. I would just say, NavyDad6, you're doing a good, honorable work; just make sure you take reasonable efforts to avoid unnecessary collateral damage.

Finally, NavyDad6 is serving (honorably, so far as I know, and I will not presume dishonor in the absence of sufficient proof thereof) and for that deserves our respect, even if we otherwise "violently" disagree with him, his unit, his commander-in-chief, and everything else he stands for. As for me (and thank the gods for google), "Non sibi sed patriae."

 

I've done just that. I'd suggest you do the same. Oh, and I'm in Bahrain! Hi neighbor! Just a word of warning since you're in Iran.... U.S. sanctions were on my dad's Iranian owned bank and my dad was told if he wire transferred from there (even though he'd get great rates), the American govt. would confiscate that money. So I would ensure that wherever you transfer from doesn't have sanctions or something....

 

The money should get there as it's just a laptop. It's not like it's some cutting edge satellite.
UPS is an American shipping company, which also seems to be the most reliable of them all.

 

A Clevo may not be a "cutting edge satellite," but it's still on the list of items that cannot be exported, directly or indirectly, to Iran without a specific license from OFAC. Attached to this 2003 CRS Report to Congress is an appendix showing the various tiers of US export restrictions; it should be noted on page CRS-25 (the last page), in Table 2, that, with respect to Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria, "[n]o computers are allowed either through direct or indirect trade."

In terms of performance, the 2003 report notes that many of the restrictions that don't involve out-right prohibition use a measure called MTOPS (milliion theoretical operations per second) as a measure for when certain reporting requirements and export restrictions kick in. In particular, on Table 1 at page CRS-24, the 2003 Report identifies computers capable of 4,000 to 6,000 MTOPS as being powerful enough to be used for "Joint Attack Strike Aircraft design; nonacoustic antisubmarine warfare sensor development; advanced synthetic aperture radar computation."

Now, while I haven't found an equivalent rating for the current crop of Clevos, I have found a website by Roy Longbottom (??don't know him, so don't ask me), which, on this webpage identifies the measured MIPS for Intel Core 2 Duo CPUs running 64-bit Vista, and those CPUs all consistently put out more than 6,000 MIPS (million instructions per second - probably a slightly different measure than MTOPS; nonetheless, still instructive as a first-order approximation).

Thus, it is not a stretch at all to say that a single Clevo D901C (perhaps suitably overclocked by the geniuses on this forum, such as dexgo ) has serious military-use potential, and that clustering several of them together (a practice that was noted in the 2003 Report), would provide enough performance to design a basic nuclear weapon.

So, with all due respect to Mazair, whom I have no reason to believe is anything other than just another kind-hearted computer-geek like the rest of us, no U.S. Clevo reseller is going to risk her or his entire business to ship a Clevo system to Iran, or even to ship it to someone whom they have reason to believe will subsequently on-ship that computer to Iran.

 

1. Let me first say I'm American and proud of it.
2. Let me also say that as much as I may disagree with the policies of Iran
or any other nation, their nationis THEIRS and not mine. I would no more assume to tell them how to live than Iwould appreciate them telling me and we Americans how to live.

Your condescending comments do not even address the question this person asked. It's true Bushian policies prohibit sales of technology to Iran. Despite the fact our government and certain corporation still do business with them "unofficially" and via interceding representatives from various other countries so that's hypocrisy right off the bat right there.

Regarding the question asked, go to the UPS website, http://www.ups.com/
ask them if they deliver personal notebook computers to Iran. If so, what can be done to assume delivery to you. In other words work with them before ordering to maximize receiving delivery. If they don't, ask them if there is a shipper who may do so legally. Finaly thing, keep in mindnot all Americans are snotty condescending people. Some of us actually know how to act like decent human beings. Some of us even know how to respect cultural differences even if we personally dislike certain cultural norms because they are distinct from our own. I'm sure Iranians and others dislike certain American cultural norms as well for the same reason but condemning one another sure as heck doesn't foster development of mutual respect nor promote mutual adjustments to mvoe the cultures closer to a friendship. Just remember, some Americans actually understand that.

 

Uhh..., little problem with long-term memory, perhaps? Try going back a few more years, at least. Better yet, why don't you try doing a little historical reading on the subject before opining on it - or at least do a little googling.

Sanctions against Iran go way, way back, to at least the Carter administration. And everyone's "favorite" president, good ole Billy Clinton, is the president under whom trade with Iran was banned. Don't believe me? Try cutting your teeth on CRS Report No. RS20871, a copy of which can be had gratis here.

Of course, since it was good ole Billy who banned all trade with Iran, I would have to agree with your (corrected) statement that "It's true Clintonian policies prohibit sales of technology to Iran. Of course, that's not the whole story because, as I said, sanctions against Iran, particularly limits on transfers of dual-use technology, go back at least as far as Carter - wasn't he another Democrat, by the way?

If you'd like a fairly long-term view of the history of US sanctions against Iran, you might try perusing CRS Report No. RL32048, "Iran: US Concerns and Policy Responses" wherein, at page CRS-47, you'll see that the first time comprehensive restrictions on the transfer of dual-use technology were imposed on Iran was in 1984, when Iran was added to the so-called "terrorism list" under the Export Administration Act of 1979. So, there we have an act, the EAA, enacted under Pres. Carter, pursuant to which technology transfers to Iran were highly restricted pursuant to an executive determination made by Pres. Reagan pursuant to the terms of the EAA.

Looks like a pretty bipartisan set of policies if you ask me.

Oh, and by the by, regarding NavyDad6 - why don't you try playing russian roulette with IEDs manufactured in Iran before you start referring to him as "snotty and condescending" hmmm? Were his comments over-the-top and unnecessary? Yes, they were; but it goes too far to call the speaker snotty and condescending.

Ultimately, none of this is either here or there regarding the OP's question - the fact of the matter is, no US OEM or reseller is going to be able to ship a Clevo to him. On that basis, the OP would be better off looking into one of the numerous non-US resellers located in Europe - I have no doubt that the OP will find a more ... congenial ... shipping regime in Europe.