New CLEVO models leaked!!!!(Eurocom)

Hi Guys, I just checked Eurocom website.

D90xF is gone. Cant find it anymore.

But I discovered info about M980NU here:
http://www.eurocom.com/products/showroom/specselectnew.cfm?model_id=204
and
http://web.eurocom.com/EC/ec_model_config1(1,204,0)

# Large Size Full HD 1920-by-1080 pixels LCD
# Intel Quad Core or Core 2 Duo Extreme Mobile Processor; FSB1066
# nVidia MCP79xi SLI Chipset
# up to 8GB DDR3-1066/1333 SODIMM Memory
# RAID 0/1/5 support with three physical hard drives; up to 1.5TB of storage
more specs coming soon

This lappy uses Mobile CPU (not desktop like D90XC/F)
nVidia MCP79xi SLI Chipset (I hope for 3GPUs)
3 physical storage drives etc.

It will be atleast 18,4" due to Emperor series (Bigger than 17inches)

AAAAnd read this!!!!!
Innovation: World's First Notebook with nVidia Gxx series SLI

Finally, lets start looong thread


For those who are interested in new 10,4inch netbook link here:
http://www.eurocom.com/products/future/specselectfuture.cfm?model_id=203

Hope you like it!

 

Oh snap. So this seems to confirm that the D90xF will be a single GPU chassis. G200 series in SLI. Beastly. There's two confirmed enthusiast class mobile GT200 cards, but there's no info on either yet, other than the G280, so I'll assume G260 for the other.

I'll stick with whatever card I can cram into my M860TU, so I'm really interested in whether these G200s will be the new MXM 3.0 standard. Bummer if so.

 

Welll, I have M860TU and I am pretty sure you will not be able to use G200.
Doesnt matter if its 3.0 or not. TDP will be too high for our small M860TU.
Its for sure...

 

I have been wondering why Clevo finally decided to release another laptop with a screen size larger than 17". I guess SLI was the reason then...

 

Dude, I would love a bigger screen. Everyone complains about the weight of 17'' laptops, but I hate 15'' and lower. The screen just seems too small.

 

nice can't what till they leak out the next variant of the m860

 

The 9800M GTX is 75w, and will work, so if the TDP is 75w or lower, I'll give it a shot. Otherwise, I'll just go with the 4870, which is said to come in at around 65w.

The G200 will be 40nm, so hopefully it's power consumption will be low enough.

 

at least 18,4" ? OMG!

This reminds this:


oh yea, people could realy see that my laptop is a beast

 

that's not even a laptop anymore, it's more like a portable desktop

 

I consider a decked out M860TU a portable desktop already, it is beastly for a 15incher. And kicks those mainstream Apple computers in the face in terms of power and performance for their price.

Not that I don't like Apple, I just hate their overpriced hardware.

 

It's not their first >17" laptop though. There was the M590KE and M590K.

Oddly enough, I seem to recall the original anouncement for the M98 didn't mention SLI.

 

Hmm.Where did you get that information about 9800M GTX in M86TU? Is anyone gonna offer it?And where did you hear about HD4850/70 in M86TU?
Does it need a special mod or will be available from resellers?
Thank you Kevin

 

it did say SLI:
http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/12/clevos-18-4-inch-m98xnu-gaming-laptop-packs-a-lot-of-junk-in-it/

http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=4729

 

Man i really hope they release either the 4850 or the G200 series for the M860TU, those really are decent upgrades (the 4850 is like 30-75% better in the 2 games ive seen so far )

 

I think people are really putting way too much hope into seeing a big release of new cards for the M860TU. Not saying it definitely won't happen, but it's more of a longshot than people are thinking.

 

I don't like to break dreams but...there are VERY POOR probabilities that an ATi card like 4850-70 would work without problems in actual Clevo system without at least a BIOS support...then there could be the problem of MXM 3.0 physically different!

If it would work however I will buy and mount it!!

@Kevin I don't understand wich of benchies in MSI725 is trustable because the 3DMark (06 and Vantage) seems positioning 4850 a little over a 9800M GTX (very little) but in those crysis WH benches there is something wrong..

 

So, you are saying that the new upcomming video cards (ATI 48XX and NVidia GXX series) will not work in the Sager NP5796/NP5797 (Clevo m570TU and ETU)? damm it, I was planning to upgrade my 9800M GT to one of them

p.s.: I don't think that bios would be an issue.

 

Uh yeh, BIOS would be a major issue.

You can't chuck in any card hoping it will work without any official support.

 

And you think Clevo wouldn't support it? That would be maddness
Hell, you can even upgrade the 79XX VGA in the NP5790 to a 98xx

 

People are taking my pipe dreams way too seriously. I will be testing the functionality of both the 4850 and 4870 in my M860TU, and I'm fully aware that they may not work.

On the BIOS issue: yes, this is the make or break area, but i do have some precedence for MXM cards working in a plug-and-play fashion. Well, at least enough to convince me to give it a shot.

For one, ichime replaced the Go 7950 GTX in his m9750 with ATI's 3870s without an issue. Another I saw is Asus C90s users modding their heatsinks and dropping 9600M GTs in to replace 8600M GTs. The 3870 has already been confirmed by Mark at K|N as working in the M860TU, so that also gives me a little more hope.

The cutting-edge is caked in the blood of patriots such as myself.

 

Wasn't the 3870 set to work in the m860tu originally though?

But off-topic, the 9800m GT is a great card. No complaints about it. I mean, how much better would the new ATIs be to justify price?

 

I was thinking about a 10% chance of it happening, wbu?

 

In the MSI forum, we've been running benches with my M860TU against the new GT725, which has a P9500 and the 4850. Crysis Warhead benches (1680x1050 all High settings), it beat me out by 41% (32 fps vs 19 fps) and 37% (19 fps vs 12 fps). That's huge. The card is likely to cost less than $300.

4850 DMC4

9800M GT DMC4


It'll at least be worth giving the upgrades a shot. The 4870 especially will be freaking monstrous. It's not about whether the cards are released for the notebook, it's about whether the MXM chips are truly interchangeable. Someone has to try it right?

 

Youre right, someone has to try it and its awesome that you wanna do it!

About the DMC4 benchies, are you using same driver? Im guessing you did, just have to ask because the results vary alot with different drivers on DMC4.

 

"The card is likely to cost less than $300."

say what? you mean that an ATi mobility HD4850 won't cost more than $300 if I buy it separately? Would be nice, but I do not think so, since even the 9800M GT costs ~600

 

Probably about half that. I know, really pessimitic. Kevin_Jack2.0 mentioned above about Asus C90's, a model I had considered buying a year before when it was mentioned they'd have strong support for MXM upgrades. And now look, many of them have had to resort to personal modifications. I just have a feeling that unless MXM starts to gain stronger support that modding will be the only way around it.

Hey, I'm all for testing boundaries, I just don't think that everyone should get their hopes up, seeing every M860TU user armed with 4870's.

 

A few trusted people under NDA have just been dropping me a trail of breadcrumb hints, so I'm not 100% certain myself. I'm tentatively confident enough to say that both cards should come in under $450.

I feel where you're coming from. I honestly don't have my hopes up either, so I'm willing to guinea pig the situation to set my curiosity at peace.

 

Best way to go about it rather than continue than kidding yourself into feeling there's a continuing way of reviving something that's bound to become outdated sooner or later.

Bet's are on that they'll be plenty of keen observers awaiting the news in any case.

 

but do you know if actually the card mounted in 725 is MXM 2.0 type IV ?? any image?

 

It did. Hence my confusion initially, I was wondering why it didn't have SLI.

 

Don't know, but it doesn't matter, because Alienware has already released press which states the current M17 having the option to upgrade to 4870s, so there will be current standard MXM-IV 4800 chips out there. What I might have to do to get them to sell me one is entirely another matter. Alienware having the sole market for these chips will be a bad thing for the industry.

 

And now apparently, a 3870 works in the Alienware M15x (and the card is most likely derived from the W840/M17 system).

Also, I'd like to add that MXM is getting a lot more flexible nowadays than some people think. As a matter of fact MSI has an MXM-IV card (the 9800M GS) working successfully in an MXM-II/III slot in their GT627.

 

9800M GS, GTS, and GT are all MXM Type III.

the only MXM Type IV cards that are current available are 9800M GTX and Quadro 3700M

 

mmm..all 9800M are MXM III arima special=type IV..they are not???

Kevin, this news is very very important!!!Why you didn't say it before??

 

Still no new 17 incher? That's good news That means my NP5793 is still up to par lol!

 

huh? I'm sure the GTS and GT are MXM-IV...you yourself were bragging about this in other posts too. And the GS MSI uses is MXM-IV apparently:

http://www.notebookjournal.de/storage/show/image/image4992fb811b6fe

 

Well, it's the opposite. The Arima specials aren't really special anymore as they (Arima) have used standard MXM-III cards for their last and current generation high end systems. All the 9800M cards I've seen are MXM-IV.

 

lets do a bit of research first.
(I'll answer this post for the Master of MXM himself... Ice-Tea)

Sizes:
THEY ARE NOT ALL THE SAME!

MXM Type	Width	Length
MXM-I	70 mm	68mm
MXM-II	73 mm	78mm
MXM-III	82 mm	100 mm
MXM-IV	82 mm	115 mm

Mechanical & Thermal Compatibility:

System MXM Type	MXM Connector	MXM Module Compatibility	Thermal Compatibility
I	Standard	I	I
II	Standard	I, II	II
III	Standard, HE	II, III	II, III
IV	Standard, HE	II, III, IV	II, III, IV

TDP Ratings:

MXM Type	TDP Rating
I	18w
II	25w
III	35w
IV	~75w

more info here:
http://www.mxm-upgrade.com/compatibily.html

up to now, the 8800M GTX (and its equivalent 9800M GT) are MXM Type III with a TDP of 35w.

the 9800M GTX and Quadro 3700M has a much higher TDP rating... which pushes up to the 75w range... meaning they have to be MXM Type IV.

The Arima (AW's M97x0 and M17) and Quanta systems (AW's M15x and M17x) are using MXM Type III.... that is why you will not find them to be able to use the 9800M GTX or Quadro 3700M.... because they cannot.

Rule of thumb:
- know the TDP of the videomodule, and you will know which MXM Type it will be.

P.S. If a notebook with MXM can fit and use the 9800M GTX/Quadro 3700M, then that notebook has a MXM Type IV slot.
..... to date, only the high-end Clevo's have been shown to do this.... even Nvidia has conceded that Clevo is the first and only to have MXM-IV.
..... other notebooks might have it, but until you can check their modules (size and TDP ratings)... you cannot think its MXM IV.

 

Wait a minute; so does the MXM type refer to its physical design, or thermal design, or both? Because From what I'm seeing, what's being documented in the size chart doesn't add up. It states that an MXM-IV module is 115mm, otherwise, 15mm taller than an MXM-III module. Yet the 9800M GTX and an FX7300M MXM Module, seen here and here, are the same size of an 8800M GTX, also seen here, which you state is MXM-III. So that would mean the physical specification on that chart is incorrect.

Also, in terms of TDP, I'm pretty sure the 8800M GTX's max TDP is well over 35, because isn't that the max for an 8700M GT with a 8800M GTX being more powerful (more shaders, higher memory bus, etc)? You can see what I mean if you compare the max power consumption of a Alienware M9750 with dual 7950 GTX in SLi + T7600 with that of an M17x with dual 8800M GTXs in SLi + X9000 (TDP difference between processors is 10w). You can tell that one consumes a heck of a lot more power. And for reference, the TDP of a single 7950 GTX is 45w, even though the M9750 is listed here of only housing MXM-III.

 

the MXM Type refers to both size and TDP ratings.

I do not want to get too into it, even Ice-Tea has physically tried to put a MXM-IV module into a MXM-III slot... of course it was unsuccessful.

as for the 8800M GTX (~9800M GT), it actually is MXM-III with HE tab.... which could account for a higher TDP... which I think some have measured from ~35w to 65w.
... a die-shrink revision did happen right after the initial release, which made it possible to have a MXM-III with HE tab module to use the G92 card.

pictures do not tell much (especially when they are those kinds of general pics) since the MXM modules look physically similar, when you get a hold of them and do measurements & compatibility tests with MXM-III and MXM-IV system, then you would know.

 

Well, if it's going above 35w, then according to your information, it can't be MXM-III there because, as you said previously, MXM-III has a TDP of 35, and drawing extra power would push it over that.

I'm pretty sure that the sizes of a 9800M GTX and the 8800M GTX are the same, and would not require a measuring device to determine this. Matter of fact, let's get someone with a 9800M GTX to take pictures of the actual card, and compare it to an 8800M GTX. I think MXM-upgrade.com wrote these specifications for MXM-IV after seing a 7950 GTX from a Sager NP9260, seen here. You can tell that it's longer than a comparable MXM-III/HE module.

I really think that MXM type is based on the physical shape rather than the TDP rating. The 9800M GTX not being seen in the M15x and M17x is most likely due to heat issues rather than it just being MXM-IV. The 3870 cards in my system have a max TDP of 55w each according to ATi and are MXM-III. They even work in the older MXM-III based Alienware M9750 (Arima W835di) with no major heat issues too.

 

I havent gotten into MXM mechanics in a while.

From what I gathered, the MXM III with HE tab gives it the designation of special... since the card is shorter and can have a higher TDP.

you can email Ice-Tea of MXM-Upgrade .... he can give you a better answer since he seems to be up with the MXM news.

 

Haha, tried that, many times regarding this issue and some other stuff. I even tried e-mailing them when I got ATi 3870 cards to work in an older Alienware model. Just got one response and they never followed up. So I gave up on them a while ago. Started doing research on my own regarding the subject.

I can see how the 8800M GTX and its siblings can be characterized as MXM-III with a HE tab to draw extra power. I as well as others have referred to this set up as MXM-IV interchageably with MXM-HE because of the physical design. But the TDP chart is not really applicable anymore now that we have MXM-III cards maxing out at well over 35w.

 

The 9800M GT has to be 50-65 watts.

 

thats strange.

MXM-Upgrade responds to me within a day when I contact them.

 

They must like you a lot more than me then

It's no biggie. It seems now that people are learning more about MXM modability in NBR and other forums than that site (not to take away anything from them, but here you can find more people and more projects and situations where such a subject would be discussed).

 

hummmm, most of the stuff we read are rules and information for the normal set of folks....the rest look at it as a set of guidelines with possible loopholes and work a rounds... and since the both of you have done this on an occasion or two..i would say you can both be right as well as both be wrong on this....

all depends on who is trying to make what cards work in what system at the time of these postings...*LOL*

 

And dont forget that the old 7950 gtx was IV

 

ichime I have two 9800M GTX and two 8800M GTX they are the same in every way no differents i mean physical
The only diff. is 8800M GTX GPU Chip is G92-720-A2 9800M GTX is G92-740-A2
8800M Board A3 version 9800M is A4
Memory Hynix | Memory Samsung

 

wow! if mGTX280 beats 8800m by say 50-60% then i'm upgrading!!(if thats possible! )