New Clevos with Max-Q?

Yes, all of that is very true and accurate. I am content with the sturdy ABS chassis of the P870, so all we can do is dream of the what if scenario.

All I can say about this is, " Not my clown, not my circus" and I am very glad that I don't have to tolerate such utter nonsense. How far they have fallen is truly sinful and inexcusable. I doubt there is any possibility of redemption for them. Things can change, but the trust factor has been shot to hell and they have run out of second chances.

 

When you see this OC control app... Then you can imagine what the rest looks like, aka the hardware. This is what I will call Tripod software. Just as the Tripod Heatsink lacks a foot... This app lacks all types of useful functionality. Not that I use CCC(I remove bloatware from all my machines), but this DEll OC tool is, pure TRASH!! Designed for Dummies!!

 

Maybe they can use their tripod software as a secret weapon to take Max-Q notebooks to the next level. From simple minds come simple solutions, for simple people. It makes setting expectations much easier when there aren't any. It's better to under-promise and over-deliver, but they haven't figured that out yet. Neither have most of their competitors. They make more money telling lies and using smoke and mirrors. In that respect, Max-Q is true to form and status quo.


When you lose in the silicon lottery with BGA, it's kind of like this.. can't fix stupid.

 

Not sure I agree with that Mate. When someone wants the King of the Jungle, and the a-brands are only offering BGA stuff, price is elastic. Give them a good case in addition to what's inside...99% will pay the extra money.

 

The concept of overclocking benching with Max-Q notebooks is capture nicely in this photo.

I would, definitely. Maybe it depends on who the customers are. The kind of customer I would want is people like me. I wouldn't care about the rest. The fact that BGA has been successful seems to suggest that most gamer-boys are happy enough to pretend to be King of the Jungle rather than taking the jungle and establishing themselves as Supreme Ruler by way of force.

The concept of high performance with Max-Q notebooks is captured well in this photo.

 

Or...

 

Haha "Oh no I got the slowest go kart again" ... man that brought back some karting memories. Total SOL getting stuck with a wheezing 4 stroke for the race.

 

4870HQ and 1TB of raided SSD storage will smack any tablet around and it has a proper keyboard

 

finally managed to update the database with prices, weight and ratings to make a proper comparison between these two: https://noteb.com/?model/comp.php?conf0=1329464039750759876&conf1=4249532821490453861

 

Thanks for the update, and for having the expanding "Show More Details...", so much info!!

It looks like the Max-Q 1080 has dropped it's price $200+ or so, now it's only $750 more for nothing more, just hotter and harder to hang on to.

 

Even worse than Dell's price settings. Dell charge $400 more.

 

For what ? Not sure what you are referring to.

 

1070 vs. 1080Max-Crippled. $750 vs. 400 for same Scam.

 

In the Alienware 15 you can option the 1070 (OC) at a price, and the same or less performance Max-Q 1080 costs $400 more:

 

Maybe Dell charge less, due less legs? Metal is expensive. Just hit up prices for Coolaboratory Liquid Metal, bruh

 

Can I buy it for my $500 or less threshold on cost? My Amazon Kindle Fire tablet with a modded Android OS (proprietary Amazon filth removed, generic Google bootloader, etc.) and it works exactly like a proper tablet should. It costs less than $50. This is an excellent use of BGA that represents real value. If it breaks I can afford to throw it in the garbage and get another one. As long as I have an honest-to-goodness monsterbook or a killer desktop to satisfy my overclocking and benching needs, the compromised stuff in the middle is a waste of money for me. It only makes me angry because it is too expensive, crippled and cannot meet my expectations.

 

It's probably my fault for not explaining my view in more detail:

"But the problem is cost at the point of sale end. Lots (ok maybe all, but you get my point) of companies which sell Clevo chassis don't have the same brand power that Alienware did and so they simply wouldn't be able to sell the more expensive chassis"

The issue, as I see it on this particular hypothetical, is that it involves Clevo resources and additional manufacturing costs to produce the chassis int he first place - but they also need their customers, and a large enough number of their customers, to agree that it would be somehting that would sell well and that they would definitely sell it well. There are lots of markets (I won't name which ones as I don't want to water down the point too much) where Clevo resellers / system integrators are finsing that they can only sell in good volume to the public with very low pricing. It's not that an aluminium chassis wouldn't necessarily have poor demand from the public customers, but that it would still be "X" company selling a non a-brand laptop. Obviously this has an impact on the mid range i.e. BGA, less so on LGA because as you said there is less competition in the first place. But that sector of the market is small globally.

I would expect that HID and other companies (XMG of course included) would be able to sell a more expensive ally LGA chassis because of our positions in the market at the high end, but this isn't the same for lots of other markets/countries/resellers/system integrators and an ally chassis would require global uptake for it to be financially viable for Clevo to produce in the first place.

 

They come in waves, it is terrifying and there is so much "but Linus likes it, so it must be good".

 

I can never tell if his opinion is driven by popular opinion or the other way around. Not saying it's good or bad, but he's really good at saying what people seem to want to hear, so I'm almost thinking it's the former.

 

Yes, I think so, too. It may also have something to do with what he is paid to say and/or think... or maybe some of both. He is certainly in a position of having some power to influence those who are susceptible to being influenced instead of thinking independently.

 

Maybe the price of the GTX 1070 OC is inflated as well.

 

I think paying extra for something that you can do yourself for free is kind of crazy, but there are some customers crazy enough to do so.

If you have to pay extra for something locked up to be partially unlocked, then it changes from crazy customer to dishonest vendor.

 

I direct people to casts/channels like that as a base reference point. They're very useful to people who it's not their primary hobby and just want to sort/filter all the available information. This can seem like the intellectual laziness that "not thinking independently" can imply but it's more like information triage. I meticulously research some purchases but for others I trust reviewer consensus within my budget and feature desires. I don't think of it as susceptibility to influence so much as trust that even if someone's massaging perceptions of a product they're not going to lead me so wildly astray that I will regret my purchase much. It's worked out pretty well for me so far, and when it stops doing so for a particular product or reviewer, then I'll change that.

For anyone wanting more than that, I would hope people could come here for accurate information.

 

Can I type on your tablet on a high quality integrated keyboard? Can I plug USB sticks in?

 

No, I do that on a real computer, so it's not necessary to be able do it on a tablet. A tablet could never replace a real computer and neither can a turdbook. I don't need something in the middle, but I do understand others might. In fact, others might own nothing other than something in the middle. That's fine for them if that's what they want and it's gets the job done. I just don't have a good reason to waste any of my own money on something like that.

That certainly makes sense and I think all of us do it to some extent or another. I think it depends on what the product is, how passionate the purchaser is about the product, and what their expectations are going to be. I know that I do this on some things that are not as important to me and don't cost a lot. Where it starts getting sad is when people spend a lot of money... sometimes more than they can afford... reliant on the filtered and sanitized information they are spoon fed by an entity that has an agenda or obligation to serve an agenda.

 

I'm sure you can find similar for a cheaper price. And yeah, you can type on it + use whatever USB stick. As the advertisement show... Essential for everything you do!!

 

I think it only has 2 GB of RAM : https://noteb.com/?model/model.php?conf=17134442971477999616 and they are not soldered! Maybe I'm mistaking.

 

Yeah, with upgradable ram Maybe this is a better option. $200 is on the high side
Review... Lenovo Ideapad 100S
Conclusion
Spending less than $200 on a laptop is a surprisingly viable option right now, and for those who mainly use Gmail, Facebook, Netflix and Amazon (or your own list of mail, social media, streaming video and online shopping tools), a laptop with an Intel Atom processor, low-res screen and paltry 32GB of storage may very well be all you need.

 

OTG to USB hub all yours for for $13.99
High quality* integrated touch screen keyboard sold separately

 

We know the Max-Q 1080 costs $400 more as an option over the base cost of the 1070 OC, which performs the same.

I doubt the 1070 OC is higher priced, AW just wanted to show even more clearly that the Max-Q 1080 idea was "moot".

The previous 1070 was able to OC manually to the same levels, it's just that AW put the OC in the stock configuration so it comes out of the box with the same performance as the Max-Q 1080.

The Max-Q design includes such things as the potato chip thin style and finger breaking chiclet keyboard, which AW wasn't about to foist on it's fan's.

 

What is this? I am not an apple user, I don't carry dongles with my devices

Also this machine starts up in 5-7 seconds, is always responsive , no dongles needed, only 1.2KG and has a native HDMI/ethernet/USB selection. No crummy app store and the ability to run a wide variety of applications like full office.

Plus I have socketed the BIOS chip and programmed the unlocked BIOS in it

 

Even with more expensive items, a combination of "common knowledge" and reviews won't screw you too bad. For example, I've historically just gone by reviews for cars and bicycles and it's turned out well for me even though I meticulously research and test ride motorcycles.

 

Is Nvidia Max-Q A Scam?!


He does a fine dance to justify the Max-Q

I wish he would have taken the opportunity of having all 3 Max-Q laptops (Asus, Aorus, Alienware, no Clevo) in hand to do some actual testing, measurements, and comparisons and presented those results instead of giving generalizations.

Finally he rests the value on 39dba measured noise output from the fans, but it's clearly much higher when gaming under load. We've seen this in video's, and @Darkhan 's measurements:

From what I've heard from video's the fan noise has a much less offensive tone / pitch, just as forceful sounding, but less offensive. And, shaping the sound as well as directing it out into the room instead of back at the user is awesome.

I hope Asus and other makers make the same effort to shape and direct the fan noise in future full sized laptops too.

 

Max-Q can cap the fan at a certain speed . Do it if you want your laptop to run as hot as the Asus Zephyrus
I always use headphone or earbud. I don't give a damn about noise , high temp can affect my laptop lifespan , not the noise .
I think Linus's review video is much less biased than this one . Asus Zephyrus overheats right off the bat....

 

I thought so too, that Max-Q caps the fan for noise output of 39dba, and it looks like it does - until it can't - the heat and constant load is seen and it then rev's up the fan's - videos show into the 60dba's+...

The good thing Aorus and Asus have done is to make new low profile fans that shape the sound, and then direct the sound with the chassis and vents so it goes behind the laptop and away from the user.

All the video's are biased in that they haven't thought the problem through completely, and given the time they have had with the laptop and the state of the public opinion at the time, they respond accordingly.

I think David did a good job within the confines he makes for himself

 

well in the end he did have to suck up to nvidia for his own sake, which I can't really blame him for... although I do have to give him credit for pointing out clearly that max Q is so gimped that a gtx 1070 can easily match up to it. if you think about it the last part of his video didn't make any sense, because whatever new design these OEMs have could be easily applied to the 1070 without having to gimp anything

 

You don't care about the noise, but there are other consumers out there.

For me was one of the top priorities when I bought my gtx1070 laptop. And the reason I returned a clevo and ended up with a Asus laptop.

The thing is, if they can cool a 1080mq they can cool a 1070n. It would only make sense if the prices where not that different.

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Any laptops with 1070 Max-Q out yet?

 

I know it's a small niggle, but if "Max-Q" is in front of the GPU number I think that naming precession in location helps indicate the importance of the "Max-Q" over the GPU number.

Max-Q 1060, Max-Q 1070, and Max-Q 1080.

Give people fair warning by putting "Max-Q" first, instead of getting their hopes up by starting with "1080"

 

https://www.ceg-hardcorecustom.com/product/clevo-p950hr-nvidia-max-q-gtx-1070
https://laptopparts4less.frl/15.6in...n/Clevo-P950HR-Max-Q-game-laptop-samenstellen

 

Or Max-Q (1060), Max-Q (1070), and Max-Q (1080)

 

But no benchmarks...

 

Ask @clevo-extreme

 

Guess I have to make more friends .

 

How is the thermal set-up? no heat issues?

 

Seen a portuguese retailer with the new model too:

www.inphtech.pt/computadores/creative-slim/

 

Yep that looks to be one

 

Because you can't do the exact same thing on a laptop as you can on a desktop.

1. The best laptop display panel pales in comparison to the best desktop panel
2. The best laptop keyboard is vastly inferior to the best desktop keyboard (maybe an exception for those few laptops that use an actual desktop mechanical keyboard)
3. The amount of overclocking you can do on a (very expensive) laptop is still typically less than what you can do on a (very cheap) desktop. Thermals and power limits being what they are.
4. Even when run at stock, many laptops will still hit a thermal/power limit and throttle when under heavy load
5. Pretty much any desktop motherboard can run SLI - you need an expensive (and heavy) laptop to do the same, and even then, you run into issue #3
6. A desktop is usually fully modular. Aside from a few select laptops, the most you can do is change out your RAM/SSDs.

The list goes on, by the way.

What a laptop gives you is portability. That's it. And in return for this portability, you have to give up...well, almost everything else, to a certain degree.

I mean, if all you do is write a few emails and browse the web, you could make the case that the laptop is about on par. But for any heavy usage, we're still not at the point where a laptop performs on par with a desktop. Even when you find a laptop that performs on par with a desktop at stock clocks, you can easily OC your desktop, get more performance, and it'll still run cooler and quieter than your laptop. For a lot less money, too.

 

Sounds like Alienware all over again.

 

Pretty much. There used to be a clear segmentation - small, light notebooks for basic productivity work on the go. Then you had big, heavy workstations that could do the heavy lifting. Gaming laptops were built on the design fundamentals of workstations, given the hardware requirements.

Now people want to merge these - they want a gaming laptop the size of a slim ultrabook.

The best experience I had with any gaming laptop was with my Alienware 17 R1 (Ranger). Big, bulky and heavy, but its build quality was second to none, and it ran its components (mostly) at 100% while remaining cool and quiet. It wasn't really very portable (big and heavy), but that's the size it needed to be to properly cool its hardware. And it worked. While I wasn't too thrilled about the size, I was VERY happy with its performance (including thermals and noise).

Now, almost every gaming laptop I try is either too hot/loud or doesn't perform as well as it should (throttling). All because they're too thin. The only way to get that performance and thermal/noise levels I want is to go for one of the "big boys" (Clevo P870, Eurocom Tornado F5, etc.) but then I lose out on the portability I want.

So I end up getting a thinner/lighter productivity laptop and stick to a desktop for gaming. That way each machine does what it's supposed to, and does it very well.