New Clevos with Max-Q?

It will say so in the Nvidia Control panel.

First image, where to click (mine).

Second image, from the Notebookcheck review, red emphasis mine. Source: https://www.notebookcheck.net/HP-Omen-15-7700HQ-GTX-1060-Max-Q-Full-HD-Laptop-Review.236264.0.html

 

The review has a nice chart of performance and recommendations for GPU per resolution:

"Grafikkarte Performance Full-HD/Ultra
GeForce GTX 1070 +55%
GeForce GTX 1060 +11%
GeForce GTX 1060 Max-Q Basis
GeForce GTX 1050 Ti -29%

In general, anyone calling themselves just an occasional gamer would only be happy in the Full HD area with the GeForce GTX 1060 or better. The GeForce GTX 1050 Ti often demands some larger or smaller compromises in the image quality. However, for 3K displays it should be at least a GTX 1070, and 4K monitors demand a GTX 1080."

Interesting that NBC don't mention Max-Q in the recommendations, inside of a Max-Q review...

 

I like this paragraph in the conclusion:

 

GPU-Z shows the Max Q label, as in the pic you showed, and also on notebookcheck review of the Omen 15. The M part in hwinfo was my bad.

 

With all the marketing hype, one thing is becoming clear with reviews coming out and users posts, that the whole quieter thing is a myth....the MSI and the Omen are just as loud as before under load.

 

There is this new setting in nvidia cp called whisper mode. Have you tried that?


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People get excited about their new toy, and don't notice the noise in their head is coming from the laptop

There was a post here somewhere from a guy that just got his Max-Q 1080 and was saying how quiet it was, all while you could hear the thing wound up to top spin and echoing throughout the room.

The reviews had the DB meter in the same place as always, just outside the exhaust vent, and it was at 39dba-40dba until the thing started a benchmark, then it read into the 50's and 60's dba from one vent and into the 50's on the other vent - I think it was the GPU vent making the most noise.

The tone of the noise isn't as bad, but I think it flings the sound out into the room instead of back at the user so they really don't know it's making noise until they get around the back or put it up against a sound reflective surface.

Yeah, there's no magic for getting rid of heat generated in a laptop, it's gotta by pushed out with high volumes of air flow.

 

Whisper mode does it's trick by reducing the fidelity of the gaming settings - like from Ultra to Medium, and by reducing the FPS to 30-40 FPS, way under 120 FPS.

There goes the high frame rate game play; the performance is reduce by 1/2 to 2/3 (from 100-120 FPS to 30-40 FPS) in order to reduce the thermal heat generation, and therefore the reason to run the fans at a high speed.

The nice thing about Whisper Mode... it works on any Series 10 Pascal GPU, even the non-Max-Q ones

 

The thing I just don't get here... they say they observed the GPU reported a maximum of 108W power draw... for similar performance to a normal similar TDP (115W limit) full 1070. Poor implementation? or is the efficiency gain not as great as claimed?

 

The Max-Q range for 1080 has been quoted as 90w-110w by Alienware, and AW uses 110w for their Max-Q 1080.

IDK what Aorus set for their Max-Q 1080, but according to AW everyone else uses 90w.

AW raised their full 1070 TGP (AW's TLA for TDP) from 115w to 125w to match the Max-Q 1080 110w performance, if that helps put things in perspective.

Clearly they didn't see the rest of the Max-Q lineup as worth mentioning, and they only mentioned the 1060 Max-Q as it was the subject of the article.

Forget the Max-Q stuff, get a real full performance GPU laptop

 

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Because the advise of a 1060 and a 1060 Max-q design is going to be the same due to how close they perform.

 

It seems Nvidia doesn't restrict any overclocking on Max-q, and it's up to the the OEM to offer high performance mode.

Source:
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Nvidia-Max-Q-WhisperMode-Information-Initial-Benchmarks.230426.0.html

 

And Nvidia has opened up for 200W TDP for fastest Max-Q ? @hmscott

 

If your chassis can take up to the highest wattage you would not be using the Max-q variant.

 

I responded on the conclusion about the statement "Nvidia doesn't restrict any overclocking on Max-Q". You already know my meaning/conclusion regarding Max-Q.

 

Especially how it will screw up the volta lineup.

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Very smart put Max-Qrippled on same price as normal graphics so people don't get shock when Volta comes. Maxwell was a medium step. Then Pascal. And we know what will come!! @Mr. Fox

 

... Winter?

 

Yoo mean freezing Hell prices

 

He's come to the same conclusion, too expensive, slower than a 1070 OC, and has a whimpy CPU to add insult to injury - it really gets stomped in games that need high CPU performance.

But he is nice and polite about it all, very British

 

From my point of view, I think max - q is kinda stupid idea. Sure it sounds cool, but it removes all the great part of pascal gpu. The great part of pascal for laptop is that you could have very similar performance compare to desktop. However, the Max-Q is technically the same thing as mobile gpu that we had in the past. GTX1080 Max - Q is slightly more powerful (or depends on the model it under perform) than GTX1070. Than... why would you buy Max - Q laptop from the start?

For example, why would you buy Aorus X5 MD if Aorus X5 v7 is much cheaper and more powerful. Why would you buy ASUS's Max-Q laptop, if you spend extra $200, you could buy Aorus X7 DT v7, which has full size GTX1080, overclockable cpu, more storage, ram, better display, and longer warranty.

And it's not like Max-Q laptop runs extremely cool, quiet, or it has long battery life. Sure it's a great start, but I think for current stage, Max-Q is kinda pointless.

 

If it worked as advertised it would be all about physical and noise profile. Some manufacturers may need to revisit their designs, but I really do think there is a place for an untrathin machine with a lower TDP higher end card.

 

Because your judgement over names is clouding your comparisons.

 

That's victim-blaming the consumer for being confused by Nvidia's choice of name for their product

 

Not really, the naming is perhaps not clear at first glance like the 980m vs 980 but should be clear after a few minutes reading.

Claiming that a 1070 laptop is much faster than 1080 Max-Q machine?

Are we going to start claiming it performs worse than a 1060?

Most of this confusion seems to be spread by the over use of hyperbole by users on here as I was concerned would happen. I worked hard to make sure when I joined at the beginning to inject as much fact into this forum as possible, to make it a place of understanding.

To see people doing the opposite of this kind of hurts to honest.

Is the scheme perfect along with the naming? Certainly not, pointing out price vs performance vs weight issues on some models is good. All the exaggeration is just clouding the issue for people however.

 

I mean.... I really can't find any benefits of Max-Q design so far. As I said, sure it's a cool concept, but it doesn't run cool, quiet, it's not as powerful as the full size graphics card, and it does not have long battery life as well. (very familiar thing isn't it?)And this isn't just myth or something in my mind. These are all facts from reviews of ASUS zephyrus and Aorus X5 MD - they all have same problems that I've mentioned. To make the situation worse, the price of Max-Q design laptops are more expensive than similarly performing laptop that has full size graphics card. (Aorus X5 v7 UHD ($2549) vs Aorus X5 MD ($2899). They all have identical components except for the graphics card)

From my point of view Max-Q just seems like GTX1080m, 1070m, 1060m with cooler name and better excuses. However if you have different point of view, I would love to hear it as well. Maybe there are few benefits of Max-Q that I do not know, and than maybe I could blame Clevo reseller in my country for not selling max- q laptop

 

If it was as good as what nvidia said, I would have been so excited, but so far not really

 

And where did you get that information? A bit of reading up on reviews and you'll find that it is indeed quieter (massively, considering the chassis) and nobody in their right mind expected a Max-Q model to be as fast as a full TDP version. Nvidia's own graphs say that.

Were you honestly expecting equal performance from the same chips when using less power and made less noise? That's physically impossible.

Hopefully NBC gets more reviews of MaxQ models. Currently there's only the GX501 which is crazy expensive and presents only 1 point of reference.

Either way, it meets the 40db limit (except for under furmark+prime95 which is not unexpected). For comparison, the Aorus X5v6 with the full 1070 (similar chassis size) screams along at 53db which is over 4 times louder. Performance-wise, it's slower than a 1080 but faster than a 1070. It does pretty much what everybody should've expected, but I guess people expected too much.

This is exactly the kind of misinformation Meaker was pointing out. Somehow you've come to all the wrong conclusions because at some point, you've been presented with the wrong information.

 

I honestly think the P950HR with 1070 Max-Q is more value than the P950HP with Max-Q. I gave a comparison table some pages back.

But that is a sole case, given that Clevo always prices its machines significantly less than the competition. The Zephyrus really is a lousy example of Max-Q, with odd hacks like that lifting body (I don't want to think how it'd function after two, three years of heavy load). The AW15 is even worse, defeating the point of Max-Q altogether.

I'm not sure about Aorus or MSI's machines, but I've heard that MSI hiked prices of its non-Max-Q notebooks after releasing notebooks with Max-Q. That is a scumbag move by the manufacturers, not by nVidia.

 

Nobody's posted any wrong information, only reviews and results from testing. All of it shows how worthless the Max-Q concept is under use.

When the gaming load goes up, you don't need prime95 to ramp up the fans higher than 39dba, just game, or OC, or benchmark, or do anything other than staring at it while it's sitting there idle.

There's nothing to get excited about. It's a detuned GPU. We can all detune our GPU's.

What we can't do is get useful performance out of a GTX 1080 when it's ham-strung with no cooling mass or volume for components.

The heat gets generated, and as soon as the metal case heats up additional heat has got nowhere to go unless the fans spin up, so they do.

Then it get's noisy, see 10:40 on and you tell me if the fan noise in that room sounds like it's 39dba...then read the meters:


And, that's a short benchmark. Like I said, heat gets generated and it needs somewhere to go, the fans are spun up, noise is inevitable, and there's no magic involved except in the Max-Q marketing BS spreading the idea that you can have all the benefits simultaneously, and you can't.

You want facts, watch all the reviews, even the ones that try to make a positive spin, all show it's underpowered, noisy under load during real use - and short benchmarks are enough to load it up with heat to the point the fans need to ramp up waaaaay over 39dba.

 

Don't stress too much over it, @Stooj. You might just end up on someone's ignore list because you presented facts, like I did...

The marketing for Max-Q is a scam. The prices could be better. The concept is good. Some machines with Max-Q are implemented well, too. Some people don't understand that.

 

And this right here....is EXACTLY the problem. You look at a video, you look at the little sound meter they have, then say something silly like "waaaaay over 39dba". Not a single iota of consideration for how the data is gathered or what it even means. The reviewer himself even says that test is mostly pointless (protip: it is).

Do you understand how sound propagation works?

Here's a lesson:

• Gentech have a different sound measuring criteria which has almost 0 practical value. Why? They literally stick the sound meter right behind the exhaust vent. Of course it's going to be louder on the meter when you're closer to the source of the noise. Let me know next time you use your laptop with your head up against the exhaust vent?
  
  
• Nvidia and NBC use the infinitely more practical standard of measuring in FRONT of the laptop at roughly the same distance your head would be.
  See here: https://www.notebookcheck.net/Our-Test-Criteria.15394.0.html
  
  This has massive implications on what you hear due to the entirety of the laptop physically being in the way of the noise source. Not only will this attenuate (drop in volume) all noise from the source (fan), it also does not apply linearly on all frequencies. Most high frequencies will be cut down. For example, have you ever had noisy neighbours with party music and you can always hear the bass "doof" in your house? But then you open a window or door and suddenly you can hear the lyrics? That's because high frequencies do not propagate through objects as well as low frequencies (same reason 5ghz wifi doesn't penetrate walls as well as 2.4ghz).
  
  
• The sound meter used by GenTech is VERY basic. Link for it here.
  Note1: the measurement range starts at 40dB. So literally nothing can pass a 40dB test with that meter.
  Note2: The response range is 31.5hz to 8khz. For reference 8khz is WAY too low to be applied to humans. Most adults can hear all the way up to ~18khz depending on hearing loss and age. Most kids can hear over 20K.
  
  
• NBC on the other hand use a dedicated microphone (Audix TM1) plugged into a PC. It has a far superior 20hz-25khz response range which is more reflective of what a human ear can achieve.
  
  
• Sound is often simplified into an "A Weighted" figure (ie dBA instead of just dB) to try and use a single number to express something's "loudness". But in reality it's not that simple. A-Weighting applies a curve to a range of frequencies in order to approximate how a human ear reacts differently to varying frequencies. Obviously this has significant implications regarding the points above, since the meter Gentech uses is missing a significant range of frequencies.
  For example, the Wiki has a great video/sound demonstration of how a sine wave sweep at the same dB level, but sweeping from low frequency to high frequency, has significant effect on what you perceive as "loud". Link is HERE.
  Unfortunately the video stops at about 12khz (you run into issues of reproduction after that, as most headphones are significantly coloured at high frequencies). After listening to that, hopefully you'll see things get VERY interesting around the 8khz. ie Anything around 8khz and above will contribute significantly to the dBA weighted figure because any noise generated there seems "loud".
  
  
• The above point is why thicker laptops are "quieter" than thin ones. Fact is they probably aren't when it comes to absolute dB sound pressure. The thicker fans simply generate less high frequency noise making them "seem" quieter.

Now, with all that info in mind, you should hopefully realise by now Gentech's test was not terribly useful in a realistic scenario.

Just remember, data is only as useful as your ability to interpret and understand it.

 

Yes, I know how sound measurement taking is done in a professional setting, and so does Nvidia, which is why they feel they can safely claim that 39dba measurement maximum, knowing full well noone is going to be able to definitively disprove it.

I believe it's a false statement by Nvidia that 39dba is a "maximum", as it clearly gets louder than that. They should say that under normal operation we try to hold the fan noise to a maximum of 39dba, until the load demands full cooling - and then it ramps up to -> insert number here by Nvidia measured under the same conditions using the same measurement hardware - that would have been a far more completely honest statement of the reality of operational noise generation.

The good news is, we all have ears, and we can hear minute sound differences when comparing between sound sources, and after many years of listening we know loud when we hear it. Whether someone else does or not is not up to us.

Comparing the sound from other GentechPC laptops, the GX501 under load is louder than others, an example is below. I can hear the difference between the front and back sound level being much higher in the rear as they pass the microphone around the laptop to read the meter readings, and it's loud. Meter reading or not, it's loud.

That SL10 meter lower limit of 40dba is interesting, are they saying the readings below 40dba aren't calibrated / accurate, as it certainly display's lower readings, see the idle readings in the 20dba range. Anyway, if it is accurate above 40dba, then that covers the load test section I pointed out, the noisy load levels measuring over 50dba-65dba.

It's clearly loud fan noise comparing the under load fan noise sound vs the earlier idle noise sound, dba meter numbers or not it's a noticeably loud increase - certainly not quiet. Go back to the video to their earlier idle meter reading and listen, and compare to the under load sound. Then compare to the video below. The Zephyrus is clearly much louder under load.

The comparison between laptops measured the same way with the same tool under the same testing conditions is how GentechPC suggests using their test results. They say it in the video, I didn't and shouldn't need to point it out here. See the video below for sound level comparison.

The noise factor behind the laptop is just as important as in front, as that is where the exhaust vents point their hot air and fan noise, and as everyone else in the room is more affected by the noise the laptop generates because they aren't enjoying the benefits, just the noise.

There are a number of other video reviews out there for the GX501 with noise meter readings as well, and user reports here in the thread of over 50dba measured in front of the laptop.

Without a calibrated measurement it's all relative to their own comparative measurements in their environment, and they say it ramps up over quiet when under load, it's noisy. An exact number isn't important but it's helpful to get a reading nevertheless from idle to average to maximum.

It's all good info reported here by owners and by posted reviews, reported in support of the fact that once the laptop generates enough heat, the fans spin up faster to expel the heat, going past 39dba - it's got no choice, the heat has no where else to go.

The other Max-Q major BS is the 120hz screen and 120FPS, not that it's not a 120hz screen, or that you can't get 120 FPS at all, it's just that when the 39dba quiet mode is in effect, and keeping the laptop noise low with WhisperMode, you aren't going to get 120 FPS in AAA games, you are going to get 40 FPS, as that is the WhisperMode limit.

Keeping the fan noise low to 39dba requires less heat be generated, which means less FPS. You can't have 39dba sound level with 120 FPS.

In fact due to the throttled performance of the Zephyrus 1080 you aren't going to get 120 FPS in most AAA games at high quality settings, the same as you won't on a 1070. That 120hz screen is wasted in the Zephyrus.

Like I said, Max-Q Design has several individual promises that can't be kept all at the same time. It's that simple.

Here's another Max-Q test, of a Clevo model, with the same noise reading taken at the same time / place on the laptop, and the load readings are much lower than the Asus Zephyrus, idle measurement starting 07:55 and load measurement at 09:25. And, this is how GentechPC suggests comparing sound between laptops using their readings.

Sager NP8952 (Clevo P950HR) Detailed Review & Benchmarks

 

You have got...to start digging up....

Again with the assumptions and not the research. Go to Nvidia's Max-Q page and look at the Acoustic section:
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/products/10series/laptops/max-q/

Firstly, it says "target of 40 dBA or better", and secondly they give you the testing methodology:
"1 - Measured 25 cm from above the laptop during typical gaming loads at typical room temperatures with ISO-7779."

If you read from the source and not everyone else's ranting, you'll find that what they do say is exactly that. 40 dBA is the target under "typical gaming loads".
Then you look at the GX501 review from NBC and guess what....39dBA under Witcher3. It's almost like it does exactly what they intended.

Huh? What I linked regarding A-Weighting is the results of MANY years of scientific study. Not some air-fairy "we have ears so we know what loud is" rubbish.

Everyone pack up your benchmarks and overlays, after years of having eyeballs we know FPS when we see it

It typically means that either a minimum of 40dBA is required for an accurate reading, or more likely the microphones response range fails entirely below that (ie some frequencies aren't picked up at all, as evidenced by the 8khz limitation) which severely skews the reading beyond any reliability. After reading the spec sheet further it gets even worse, the accuracy rating is only +/- 3.5dB which is rather big. For reference, ~3dBA is roughly 50% increase in noise.

Of course it's noticeably louder! If we take NBC's tests it goes from a average 33dBA idle to 39dBA under load you get a 6dBA difference. 6dBA increase is more or less double the "loudness".
40dBA is not a completely "quiet" environment. It's just low noise. For most people absolute quite doesn't actually occur until you drop below 20dBA. 30dBA is often marked as the "quiet whisper" point and if somebody was constantly whispering 25cm away from you, you'd say that wasn't quiet either.

Without a calibrated measurement, it's not a measurement at all.

Only two words for this: Citation Needed

This, is called shifting the goal posts.

Couple of things. You should never take a noise measurement directly in the path of airflow if you want an accurate reading. It directly inflates the noise level beyond accuracy. That's why the sound meter has a foam "windscreen" in the first place....to screen out the wind...

Next, you should not rely on the sound of the video as any indication of how loud something is. We have no idea of what levels they're using, EQ, Microphone (and it's response curve) and effects (such as compression which is often used in voice-over/podcast/etc to smooth out volume). Compression is the obvious problem there because its job is to literally make quiet sounds louder. For example, even when they're not making any noise in the videos there's a noticeable HISS in video that, relative to the voice, is quite loud. That often occurs in recording due to lack of noise gating, poor microphone, poor pre-amps or significant digital amplification after recording.

 

Take a look at https://www.techspot.com/review/1466-aorus-x5-v7/ a mediocre review as most, that signals non Max-Q as a con in the first paragraph. Nvidia would have avoided the confusion by naming it 1055, 1065 and 1075.

 

What is this max-q nonsnese? Can anyone explain it to me? The very idea of putting a GTX 1080 into a slim notebook,seems idiotic to me.

EDIT: nevermind. Basicially 1080maxQ is a terrible GTX 1070 that likes to make ur slim notebook 50C warm. letting people know they buy a GTX 1080 machine and get a GTX 1070 machine with major heat issues, why not.

 

Push out more thin lightweigt Slimbooks. Make more money on less performance. Aka screw uninformed buyers

 

You should see the notebooks so far.

Asus rog GX 501 with the wonderful new GTX 1080 max Q, throttling the core clock under stresstest to less than 1ghz, and the notebook is only 57C warm on the surface. Idk how many people would like to write on something like that especially with a 42C keyboard.

Not only that, but the nice little slim thing only needs a 230W PSU which is like 1/4 of the actual notebook, which totally isn't heavy and ruins the purpose of the slim notebook. The battery life of 3 hours also seems like a great thing for something slim.

Who needs this nonsense, why does it exist and why did Nvidia think it's a good idea?

This reminds me of intels idiotic idea to name their ultra low voltage CPU's i7 despite being a crappy dualcore and tricking dumb people into buying it because they wouldn't ever consider an I3 which the performance equals to.

 

You could buy a wireless small gaming keyboard. It's portable But don't buy a big one. Must matching the thin and flimsy!!

 

Changing the goal post is exactly what I am trying to accomplish, because the 39dba number Nvidia is quoting from the test they are using is meaningless to the affect the laptop has on the environment around it, which is the whole point in getting a quiet laptop, to stop bothering other people with the fan noise.

Nvidia tested / published the sound levels from the wrong position(s).

Nvidia is testing from the users seating position - which is irrelevant to the goals of most buyers.

Asus accomplished the goal sound level by "shifting the Noise" to the rear and sides of the laptop. The exact opposite effect most people are interested in getting.

Asus shifted the sound pattern away from the user by redirecting it with that gimmicky lifting bottom, creating a reflector for sound. Shifting fan noise into the ears of the people sitting around you.

Nvidia's published 39dba is actually another ingredient to the success of fooling the buyer into thinking they are getting what they want, when they are not.

If you are buying this laptop to keep fan noise sound from bothering others, it's a failure.

My comment about no one being able to challenge Nvidia by reproducing the same test was based on that microtext sized disclaimer you found on their site. Here seen highlighted to make it easier to find:
No "normal person" is going to recreate this measurement is more exactly what I am saying, including all of the people that have reviewed and tested so far. No one, including you and me, has these tools on hand.

They don't have the equipment, anechoic room, or the training and certification required to recreate the test - you can't just get a better test instrument and hold it 25cm away from the laptop in a "quiet" room.

SHH.... inside an Anechoic Chamber! - Reviewers visiting a Semi-Anechoic chamber footage starts at 1:15, and I doubt that room would "pass" for a certified test without adding a treated floor and other upgrades.

Here is the standard mentioned, a "preview" as you have to spend $ to get the whole specification, which depends on other standards mentioned in that standard, which you would also need to purchase:

ISO 7779:2010 Preview
Acoustics -- Measurement of airborne noise emitted by information technology and telecommunications equipment

The average person isn't going to even come close to spending the time required to duplicate Nvidia's results. There are months of planning and implementation to go from scratch to being able to make these measurements independently.

All people care about is, will my wife hit me on the head for playing AAA games in bed with this laptop.

Yes, yes she will.

 

Sound measures are just a indicator.

No matter how good the measures are db values are worthless, that´s just my opinion.

Being Audio one of my part-time/semi-pro passions, specially sound-design and synthesizers, i can tell you that the relation between pitch/frequency and dbs is way more important then the actual dbs alone.

As you already said, thicker laptops "seem" to produce less noise, well then that´s it, if something "seems" to produce less noise then it is producing less noise.
The common user refers to "noise" as the undesirable sound the cooling system produces. We could even go further into the psychoacoustics aspects of it, a science i love, but it all comes down to a simple conclusion, laptops with high pitch fans are more unpleasant, Max-Q design seems to favor this (thin fans that will produce higher pitch noise). Unless manufacturers pay close attention to the pitch/frequencies of the selected fans, we´re in for a lot of complaints, like we already have from some clients who buy the P6 series.

If you ask a re-seller, they must be able to give you the classic example, like the P775DM3-G, a lot of clients say that they did not expect it was that silent, BUT, you take a P6 at the same dbs and the same client will say "wow that´s loud".

It´s not a matter of "loud" versus "quite", it´s a matter of "how unpleasant is the produced sound". Even car designers spends countless hours developing the perfect exhaust sound, and there are good reasons, mainly the way the sound affects the user, not how loud, but how does it "feel".

The laptop holes in the bottom/rear can also be designed to change the pitch to some extent, i would kill for manufacturers to start working with acoustic technicians to help them design quieter chassis, there´s so much they could do, from the fans to the exhaust design and chassis materials.

But that´s just a dream, specially when manufacturers do not even spend 10 more cents with proper electronics to get rid of coil whining, that tells you enough. There are models out there that sound like a radio picking up static, and you can disconnect the speakers and the sound will still be there, yeah it´s MBO components vibrating... we even had returns because of this!! Hence we started replacing motherboard components on some models, because well, out of spec capacitors and noisy coils are just something we will not have...

 

Never really gave much thought to the perceived noise and quality aspect before, just overall volume. With vehicles, I want "good" sound from an exhaust (volume is secondary), and my only thought to sound in a computer is "less". I do find myself agreeing, this is something I'd love to see more attention given to by manufacturers.

 

If only my English was better i could maybe elaborate more, i actually do this sort of work on my systems at least for the ones that enter my home studio. One of the expressions i was fighting to find is actually what you said: "perceived noise", that´s it.
dbs... pointless, perception is all that matters really.

I could give you a lot of examples, if you anyone rides dirt bikes for instance, Motocross or Enduro, a louder (db wise) 4 stroke with it´s lower pitched sound sounds a lot less disturbing then a 2 strokes revving high beside you, i cant stand that noise. If you measure the dbs on the 4 stroke they can be way above the 2 stroke engine, but guess what, the 2 stroke engine sounds so much more noisy.

 

I'm mostly on 4 stroke triples, and that's a great example. I can only stand 2 smoker noise/smell if I'm physically at a track, but it's expected there and part of the experience. Anywhere else the lower pitch is better.

 

It's effectively an artefact of compressing an entire spectrum into a discrete value. You loose data, data in this case that matters.

 

This means they can/will charge more for next coming laptops with the *normal* graphics... Same as they did with Max-Q models. Oh'well.

 

Did you mis-quote?

 

Maybe I wasnt clear enough.

Some expressed loud that Max-Q laptops cost more due they were / were made better. Aka Better cooling and design. This was one of the reasons that max-Q models become more expensive than usual. If this below being realized... Thats what I talk about. Risking Max-Q prices on models with the normal graphics. Increased prices. Same as Max-Q.

" design quieter chassis, there´s so much they could do, from the fans to the exhaust design and chassis materials."

 

So they should had done that for the Max-Q units, but I doubt any brand did anything serious in Acustics and Noise R&D.
So we get a lot of "it should have been" and "should have done"....

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